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In A Cautious Debate Obama Gets The Points He Needed: Romney lied all night long and it will catch up to him quickly.

Like the first few rounds of a heavy weight fight, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama spent a cautious night together mostly dancing around each other. Each made their points, but not aggressively so.

Romney tried to be the aggressor but will have more tape that can be played against him the morning after.

Obama was the cautious champ, picking his moments and more concerned with overplaying his hand than winning every point in the first meeting.

Like Reagan’s cautious approach to the debates in 1984, Obama knows he is the president.

He has the votes where he needs them and he knows that it is more important to be true to those voters that hold the key to his re-election than to try to run up the score early to please his fans.

Anyone tuning in tonight to see the candidates go for broke was disappointed – and I think ultimately most people were disappointed – especially the reporters covering the race.

Obama did not win the night on its own, but that is not the job of an incumbent president with an electoral college lead.

Just like the selection of his running mate and just like the convention, Romney failed to deliver.

Romney’s aggressiveness may have produced the worst moment of the night for him – if Democrats recognize it and nail him on it.

Romney claimed to not know how anyone could not profit on their taxes for shipping jobs overseas. That is not only a lie, the benefit exists, but Romney reaped great financial rewards for doing just that.

He personally and repeatedly benefited from a tax law he denied existed.

The bigger problem for Romney is he defined himself to the American public as a politician that was not going to cut taxes for the rich, was going to cut taxes for the middle class, loves Medicare and supports popular government programs.

Wait till the truth catches up to Mitt Romney.

Alternately, Obama spent the evening being cautious. It was the right move. He was the president tonight. He defended his record and had the two best push back moments of the night.

First, as Romney denied his central campaign theme of delivering rate cuts to the wealthiest Americans, Obama rightly pointed out that Romney’s big idea was “never mind”.

Second, Obama dropped an excellent line when he questioned if Romney was keeping his plans secret because they were “too good” for the middle class.

Those are classic lines that will be replayed and underscore central themes of the president’s message and strategy.

Little that Romney said tonight was consistent with the campaign he has run for the last five years.

Obama made his points tonight without seeming shrill or arguing over a couple of minutes of time with the moderator like Romney.

Romney showed some of the annoyance he did during the GOP debates when he did not feel he got everything he was entitled to. Not a smart move on his part.

On easier targets like hitting Romney for talking about needing a new accountant or a clean shot to hit Romney on parking his money overseas – Obama passed. Again, It was the right move. The reward is not worth the risk. Surrogates will have endless hours to re-litigate the debate. They can deliver those zingers.

Romney did nothing to make himself more likable and he found no way to end the hemorrhaging of Hispanic voters, women or seniors.

It was on Medicare that Romney was weakest. That will not do for his campaign.

Obama boxed him in on vouchers and Romney’s return to a failed argument that Obama cut Medicare benefits is a loser.

Romney turned in the biggest flubs of the night. The first was when he said Americans don’t want Medicare. He meant to say Obamacare, but in the turn of a phrase Romney both seemed to reveal a truth about his philosophy about Medicare and elevate the Affordable Care Act to the program, along with Social Security, American voters feel most passionate about.

Romney must feel confident on the right because he embraced a bigger government and seemed to walk away from a commitment to cut taxes.

Those on the right worried about Romney playing the right wing have new reason to be worried tonight.

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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:01 AM
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Gracesgma
by Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that maybe Romney is more liberal than those on the right want to believe.  He's just playing a game with them and appears to be a master at the game.  It's going to get interesting.  We thought he would show his "evil" side, but what he did was relax and show his more liberal side. There will be bigger government and taxes.  It will be fun to watch should he get the Presidency.

Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 5:11 PM

 

Quoting brookiecookie87:

For sure I can handle that.
 
Romney said President Obama has ran up our debt as much as all the prior Presidents Combined. That is not true.

When President Obama took Office the debt was around 10Trillion. Now it is around 15.6Trilion. 5 is not greater than 10 no matter how you cut it. Not my opinion but a lie from Romney.

Three ways to calculate the debt before Obama:

1) Starting at the end of fiscal year 2008, where accrued debt under the 43 presidents was $5.851 trillion, that's less than half of 15 trillion, making Romney's statement true.

2)Starting Obama's inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, that's less than half of 15 trillion, making Romney's statement true.

3)Starting at the end of fiscal year 2009, when the accrued debt was $7.506 trillion. That's nearly exactly half of 15 million, still making Romney's statement true.

Romney said that half of the Green Companies that received money from the Stimulus have failed. Another lie. 3 out of nearly 3 dozen is not half. Not my opinion but a lie from Romney.

Here's a list from July of 15 companies, nearly half of 33.  Question the source but google the company names to check reliability:

  • Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012 – On April 2, 2012

     

  • Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Lost Billions of dollars but Getting More Money To Keep Trying. Can you say, “This isnt working?”

     

  • Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses due to failure to make a solar product that works!

     

  • LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

     

  • Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL!On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

     

  • Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy

     

  • SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells last year at near bankruptcy restructured only with help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL who owns 60% stake. Irony! Still struggling…

     

  • Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy Oct 2011 just a year after Obama approved $43 million loan Government loan guarantee

  • Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from Obama

     

  • A123 Solar: FAIL! -A123 received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’sDepartment of Energy loan guarantees and after Solyndra bankruptcy is getting another $500M from Obama and it has lost $400M

     

  • UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20 this year laid off hundreds got more Obama money still failing but still in business

     

  • Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics files for bankruptcy in June wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” and tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.

     

  • Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama filed bankruptcy

     

  • Ener1: FAIL! received more than $100 million in government funding from the Obama administration filed for bankruptcy January 2012
  • http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/long-list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies-in-the-billions/question-2818877/

    Romney repeatedly claimed that the medical Boards can dictate what kind of treatment you can get. That's another lie. It is actually illegal for them to do that. Not my opinion-not someone else's opinion. Just a lie from Mitt Romney.
  • They are called IPABs, or an Independent Payment Advisory Board put into law by sections 3403 and 10320 of the ACA in 2010.  Romney said they could "ultimitely" decide what treatments people can get, which is highly plausible because they set prices, and if they set prices too low they can therefore make it impossible for providers to give the treatment.

    That's enough of me looking for now because I have to go Exercise.

    I am sure there are more lies. If you want I can contiue a little later if you want?
    brookiecookie87
    by Platinum Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM
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    Quote:

    Quoting brookiecookie87:

    For sure I can handle that.
     
    Romney said President Obama has ran up our debt as much as all the prior Presidents Combined. That is not true.

    When President Obama took Office the debt was around 10Trillion. Now it is around 15.6Trilion. 5 is not greater than 10 no matter how you cut it. Not my opinion but a lie from Romney.

    Three ways to calculate the debt before Obama:

    1) Starting at the end of fiscal year 2008, where accrued debt under the 43 presidents was $5.851 trillion, that's less than half of 15 trillion, making Romney's statement true.

    2)Starting Obama's inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, that's less than half of 15 trillion, making Romney's statement true.

    3)Starting at the end of fiscal year 2009, when the accrued debt was $7.506 trillion. That's nearly exactly half of 15 million, still making Romney's statement true.


    Now who is deviating from Facts and relying on Opinions (Or out right lying)?


    All Three of your Theories: You are comparing the start Debt held by the Public to the end of National Debt? That's worst than the first lie. Now you are purposely misrepresenting data (Well-I guess that is just more lying to cover up lies. )


    Quote:

    Romney said that half of the Green Companies that received money from the Stimulus have failed. Another lie. 3 out of nearly 3 dozen is not half. Not my opinion but a lie from Romney.

    Here's a list from July of 15 companies, nearly half of 33.  Question the source but google the company names to check reliability:


    I never said all of the Green Companies are doing spectacular. But not half of them are "Failing". You did (Or whoever got this for you) some creative story telling here. All of the ones listed in Red are not listed as Companies that were loaned money under the program.


    https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=45


    Quote:

    Romney repeatedly claimed that the medical Boards can dictate what kind of treatment you can get. That's another lie. It is actually illegal for them to do that. Not my opinion-not someone else's opinion. Just a lie from Mitt Romney.

  • They are called IPABs, or an Independent Payment Advisory Board put into law by sections 3403 and 10320 of the ACA in 2010.  Romney said they could "ultimitely" decide what treatments people can get, which is highly plausible because they set prices, and if they set prices too low they can therefore make it impossible for providers to give the treatment.
  •  



    Your third one is pure speculation void of Fact when the Fact's don't say that will happen and prohibit it.

    I am starting to think the reason you cannot see blatant lies is because you refuse to.

    Quoting Meadowchik:

     



  • Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012 – On April 2, 2012


  • Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Lost Billions of dollars but Getting More Money To Keep Trying. Can you say, “This isnt working?”


  • Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses due to failure to make a solar product that works!


  • LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012


  • Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL!On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy


  • Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy


  • SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells last year at near bankruptcy restructured only with help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL who owns 60% stake. Irony! Still struggling…


  • Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy Oct 2011 just a year after Obama approved $43 million loan Government loan guarantee

  • Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from Obama


  • A123 Solar: FAIL! -A123 received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’sDepartment of Energy loan guarantees and after Solyndra bankruptcy is getting another $500M from Obama and it has lost $400M


  • UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20 this year laid off hundreds got more Obama money still failing but still in business


  • Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics files for bankruptcy in June wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” and tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.


  • Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama filed bankruptcy


  • Ener1: FAIL! received more than $100 million in government funding from the Obama administration filed for bankruptcy January 2012
  • http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/long-list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies-in-the-billions/question-2818877/

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    If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

    Sisteract
    by Whoopie on Oct. 4, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    The only people who bought his BS were the anyone but Obama crowd and those of the same religious affiliation

    Quoting Gracesgma:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that maybe Romney is more liberal than those on the right want to believe.  He's just playing a game with them and appears to be a master at the game.  It's going to get interesting.  We thought he would show his "evil" side, but what he did was relax and show his more liberal side. 

    There will be bigger government and taxes. 

    It will be fun to watch should he get the Presidency.


    Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
    Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
    asfriend
    by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:12 PM
    a completely false post, broken up into little segments, you've outdone yourself.


    Quoting brookiecookie87:



    Quote:

    How raising taxes on small business and middle income earners will stifle the economy, not help it grow.
    Except Obama does not plan to raise taxes on small business owners. He wants to raise it on people in the upper tiers yes-Not small business owners.

    You might be confused with Mitt Romney who is proposing a plan that will raise taxes on middle class americans (according to non-partisan tax centers).

    Quote:



    That Obama had 4 years to tackle Simpson-Bowles, and instead of addressing a critical deficit reduction plan, pursued Obamacare, without a bipartisan support in Congress.
    Republicans had no interest in doing anything with bipartisan supporting during that time. What Republicans wanted was there way or no way-Hence it being done without their support.



    Quote:

    Romney points out that Obama is wrong to say that Romney's plan is a repeat of the past, Romney says that it is different because, along with bringing down rates to raise revenue it will also bring down deductions, exemptions, and credits to help keep net revenue intact.
    Except Mitt Romney doesn't specify which exemptions, deductions, or credits will be removed. It's a secret that he isn't willing to share with anyone. And until he releases those secrets there is no way to speculate what his tax plan will actually do. Because non-partisan tax groups are saying that his plan WILL increase the tax burden on the middle class. But since Romney isn't releasing the details he can claim, "Nope won't happen-We have a secret idea that fixes everything don't worry about it".



    Quote:


    Romney says that with Obama's 716 billion Medicare reduciton, 15% of hospitals and nursing homes and 50% of doctors say they will have to stop taking Medicare patients.  And 4 million seniors will lose Medicare Advantage with Obama's plan.
    Is this oppose to the 50 some million who will lose Medicare if Obama is rejected?



    Quote:

    Romney points out how Obama promised to cut the deficit in half, but infact doubled it, thereby increasing the moral hazard of continuing to run yearly trillion-dollar deficits while having to borrow from China to do so.
    I imagine it would have been interesting to see what happened during the recession if President Obama did not pump money into it. But I am not sure the risk of spiralling downward into a great depression would be worth it to find out.

    I thought the Fear mongering with China was a bit over the top. We will cut programs we don't deam worth borrowing from China for? Which Programs? Again Mitt Romney keeps it a secret.


    Quote:


    That while Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion that goes to oil companies like Exxon-Mobil, Romney pointed out that a large part of that goes to drilling operators, not "Big Oil," and that in fact Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion while he gave 90 billion to solar and wind companies, many of which are failing or already belly-up.
    Wait-Are you (Or Mitt) really implying that because 90 Billion went to Green Energy (Not just solar and wind companies) that Exxon-Mobil deserves the 2.8 Billion in Corporate Welfare? Those are two completely different issues. 2.8 Billion is a LOT of money our country could save. Could our country have saved more else where as well? Of course. Does not saving more in one area justify not saving more in another area? Absolutely not.








    I think this tiny bit wraps up the entire Debate pretty well. Most of Mitt Romney's points depend on him not answering the details.





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    asfriend
    by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:16 PM
    Wow does that sound bigoted.


    Quoting Sisteract:

    The only people who bought his BS were the anyone but Obama crowd and those of the same religious affiliation

    Quoting Gracesgma:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that maybe Romney is more liberal than those on the right want to believe.  He's just playing a game with them and appears to be a master at the game.  It's going to get interesting.  We thought he would show his "evil" side, but what he did was relax and show his more liberal side. 

    There will be bigger government and taxes. 

    It will be fun to watch should he get the Presidency.



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    Sisteract
    by Whoopie on Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Sinc you're not into politics, you might have been naive enough to buy the lies-

    Quoting asfriend:

    Wow does that sound bigoted.


    Quoting Sisteract:

    The only people who bought his BS were the anyone but Obama crowd and those of the same religious affiliation

    Quoting Gracesgma:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that maybe Romney is more liberal than those on the right want to believe.  He's just playing a game with them and appears to be a master at the game.  It's going to get interesting.  We thought he would show his "evil" side, but what he did was relax and show his more liberal side. 

    There will be bigger government and taxes. 

    It will be fun to watch should he get the Presidency.




    Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
    Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
    asfriend
    by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:12 PM
    You funny


    Quoting Sisteract:

    Sinc you're not into politics, you might have been naive enough to buy the lies-

    Quoting asfriend:

    Wow does that sound bigoted.





    Quoting Sisteract:

    The only people who bought his BS were the anyone but Obama crowd and those of the same religious affiliation

    Quoting Gracesgma:

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that maybe Romney is more liberal than those on the right want to believe.  He's just playing a game with them and appears to be a master at the game.  It's going to get interesting.  We thought he would show his "evil" side, but what he did was relax and show his more liberal side. 

    There will be bigger government and taxes. 

    It will be fun to watch should he get the Presidency.






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    brookiecookie87
    by Platinum Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    You are right. Her post was completely false and it is why I corrected her.


    Quoting asfriend:

    a completely false post, broken up into little segments, you've outdone yourself.


    Quoting brookiecookie87:



    Quote:

    How raising taxes on small business and middle income earners will stifle the economy, not help it grow.
    Except Obama does not plan to raise taxes on small business owners. He wants to raise it on people in the upper tiers yes-Not small business owners.

    You might be confused with Mitt Romney who is proposing a plan that will raise taxes on middle class americans (according to non-partisan tax centers).

    Quote:



    That Obama had 4 years to tackle Simpson-Bowles, and instead of addressing a critical deficit reduction plan, pursued Obamacare, without a bipartisan support in Congress.
    Republicans had no interest in doing anything with bipartisan supporting during that time. What Republicans wanted was there way or no way-Hence it being done without their support.



    Quote:

    Romney points out that Obama is wrong to say that Romney's plan is a repeat of the past, Romney says that it is different because, along with bringing down rates to raise revenue it will also bring down deductions, exemptions, and credits to help keep net revenue intact.
    Except Mitt Romney doesn't specify which exemptions, deductions, or credits will be removed. It's a secret that he isn't willing to share with anyone. And until he releases those secrets there is no way to speculate what his tax plan will actually do. Because non-partisan tax groups are saying that his plan WILL increase the tax burden on the middle class. But since Romney isn't releasing the details he can claim, "Nope won't happen-We have a secret idea that fixes everything don't worry about it".



    Quote:


    Romney says that with Obama's 716 billion Medicare reduciton, 15% of hospitals and nursing homes and 50% of doctors say they will have to stop taking Medicare patients.  And 4 million seniors will lose Medicare Advantage with Obama's plan.
    Is this oppose to the 50 some million who will lose Medicare if Obama is rejected?



    Quote:

    Romney points out how Obama promised to cut the deficit in half, but infact doubled it, thereby increasing the moral hazard of continuing to run yearly trillion-dollar deficits while having to borrow from China to do so.
    I imagine it would have been interesting to see what happened during the recession if President Obama did not pump money into it. But I am not sure the risk of spiralling downward into a great depression would be worth it to find out.

    I thought the Fear mongering with China was a bit over the top. We will cut programs we don't deam worth borrowing from China for? Which Programs? Again Mitt Romney keeps it a secret.


    Quote:


    That while Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion that goes to oil companies like Exxon-Mobil, Romney pointed out that a large part of that goes to drilling operators, not "Big Oil," and that in fact Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion while he gave 90 billion to solar and wind companies, many of which are failing or already belly-up.
    Wait-Are you (Or Mitt) really implying that because 90 Billion went to Green Energy (Not just solar and wind companies) that Exxon-Mobil deserves the 2.8 Billion in Corporate Welfare? Those are two completely different issues. 2.8 Billion is a LOT of money our country could save. Could our country have saved more else where as well? Of course. Does not saving more in one area justify not saving more in another area? Absolutely not.








    I think this tiny bit wraps up the entire Debate pretty well. Most of Mitt Romney's points depend on him not answering the details.






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    If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

    asfriend
    by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:26 PM
    I dunno what the truth team is paying you, but they are definitely getting a loyal soldier.


    Quoting brookiecookie87:

    You are right. Her post was completely false and it is why I corrected her.



    Quoting asfriend:

    a completely false post, broken up into little segments, you've outdone yourself.





    Quoting brookiecookie87:




    Quote:

    How raising taxes on small business and middle income earners will stifle the economy, not help it grow.
    Except Obama does not plan to raise taxes on small business owners. He wants to raise it on people in the upper tiers yes-Not small business owners.

    You might be confused with Mitt Romney who is proposing a plan that will raise taxes on middle class americans (according to non-partisan tax centers).


    Quote:



    That Obama had 4 years to tackle Simpson-Bowles, and instead of addressing a critical deficit reduction plan, pursued Obamacare, without a bipartisan support in Congress.
    Republicans had no interest in doing anything with bipartisan supporting during that time. What Republicans wanted was there way or no way-Hence it being done without their support.




    Quote:

    Romney points out that Obama is wrong to say that Romney's plan is a repeat of the past, Romney says that it is different because, along with bringing down rates to raise revenue it will also bring down deductions, exemptions, and credits to help keep net revenue intact.
    Except Mitt Romney doesn't specify which exemptions, deductions, or credits will be removed. It's a secret that he isn't willing to share with anyone. And until he releases those secrets there is no way to speculate what his tax plan will actually do. Because non-partisan tax groups are saying that his plan WILL increase the tax burden on the middle class. But since Romney isn't releasing the details he can claim, "Nope won't happen-We have a secret idea that fixes everything don't worry about it".





    Quote:


    Romney says that with Obama's 716 billion Medicare reduciton, 15% of hospitals and nursing homes and 50% of doctors say they will have to stop taking Medicare patients.  And 4 million seniors will lose Medicare Advantage with Obama's plan.
    Is this oppose to the 50 some million who will lose Medicare if Obama is rejected?




    Quote:

    Romney points out how Obama promised to cut the deficit in half, but infact doubled it, thereby increasing the moral hazard of continuing to run yearly trillion-dollar deficits while having to borrow from China to do so.
    I imagine it would have been interesting to see what happened during the recession if President Obama did not pump money into it. But I am not sure the risk of spiralling downward into a great depression would be worth it to find out.

    I thought the Fear mongering with China was a bit over the top. We will cut programs we don't deam worth borrowing from China for? Which Programs? Again Mitt Romney keeps it a secret.



    Quote:


    That while Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion that goes to oil companies like Exxon-Mobil, Romney pointed out that a large part of that goes to drilling operators, not "Big Oil," and that in fact Obama wants to eliminate the 2.8 billion while he gave 90 billion to solar and wind companies, many of which are failing or already belly-up.
    Wait-Are you (Or Mitt) really implying that because 90 Billion went to Green Energy (Not just solar and wind companies) that Exxon-Mobil deserves the 2.8 Billion in Corporate Welfare? Those are two completely different issues. 2.8 Billion is a LOT of money our country could save. Could our country have saved more else where as well? Of course. Does not saving more in one area justify not saving more in another area? Absolutely not.











    I think this tiny bit wraps up the entire Debate pretty well. Most of Mitt Romney's points depend on him not answering the details.











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