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Pa student who wore Romney shirt: Teacher 'told me to get out of the classroom"

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Pa. student who wore Romney shirt: Teacher 'told me to get out of the classroom'

A Pennsylvania high school student was told to "get out" of a classroom for wearing a Romney T-shirt. She claims her teacher likened the garment to the KKK. WCAU's Claudia Rivero reports.

By Dan Stamm and Claudia Rivero, NBCPhiladelphia.com

A Philadelphia high schooler says she was humiliated after her teacher told her to remove a Mitt Romney T-shirt she was wearing, comparing it to "wearing a KKK shirt."

Samantha Pawlucy, a 16-year-old sophomore at Charles Carroll High School in the Port Richmond section of the city, says she wore a pink Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan T-shirt last Friday during the school's dress-down day.

No one made an issue of Samantha's political T-shirt until she got to geometry class.

"The teacher told me to get out of the classroom, I said no," Samantha said.

"She told me to take off my shirt and said that she has another one if I need one. And then the teacher asked me... 'Are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.' She said that's like her wearing a KKK shirt."

Samantha was so embarrassed by the public criticism in front of her classmates that she told her parents she didn't want to return to school.

"I didn't know what to think, I didn't think it was right at all."

They requested a meeting with the principal and the teacher. The teacher apologized to Samantha and her parents saying that the statement was meant as a joke.

"It was funny to her, but I was really embarrassed," Samantha said.

"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

"I can just picture her sitting there, feeling ashamed for just wearing a T-shirt," said her mother, Christine Pawlucy. "That someone could spin that and throw it back on a 16-year-old child and make her feel so terrible."

A spokesperson for the Philadelphia School District told NBCPhiladelphia.com that the teacher was transferred to another classroom as the district investigates the incident.

by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 4:04 PM
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smurfbitebug
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?

Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.

Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.

SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.

And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.

Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.


That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".


Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 MM-HMM. I know.



Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.



Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?







Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?


 


 

 

OneToughMami
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*

Quoting smurfbitebug:

 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?


Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.


Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.


SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.


And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.


Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.



That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".



Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.



Quoting smurfbitebug:



 MM-HMM. I know.




Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.




Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.




Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.






Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?








Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?



 



 


 

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smurfbitebug
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

If you believe in your opinions so strongly that you have to attempt to shove them down the throats of other people, I suggest you not conclude with "*eyeroll*". It's weak. Especially coming from an educator.

Quoting OneToughMami:

Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*

Quoting smurfbitebug:

 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?


Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.


Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.


SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.


And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.


Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.



That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".



Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.



Quoting smurfbitebug:



 MM-HMM. I know.




Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.




Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.




Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.






Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?








Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?



 



 


 

 

Billiebeth
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM
I so doubt you would be supporting a teacher telling a student to change from an Obama or pro choice or support gay rights shirt because the teacher thinks it is wrong.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.


That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".


Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 MM-HMM. I know.



Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.



Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?







Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?


 


 



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OneToughMami
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM
You have seriously taken this too far. That's not what I was doing. But hey if that's what you want to think go for it. You took this personal for no reason to be honest. I quoted you and used a general you because it seemed everyone was one sides either teacher or student...and seemed to all be bypassing the fact that the teacher was more inappropriate.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

If you believe in your opinions so strongly that you have to attempt to shove them down the throats of other people, I suggest you not conclude with "*eyeroll*". It's weak. Especially coming from an educator.


Quoting OneToughMami:

Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?



Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.



Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.



SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.



And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.



Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.



Quoting smurfbitebug:



On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.




That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".




Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.




Quoting smurfbitebug:




 MM-HMM. I know.





Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.





Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.







Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?









Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?




 




 



 


 

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tooptimistic
by Kelly on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Or be called names for wearing one..

I think that's my biggest issues.  The teacher called her a racist when she equated wearing a Romney shirt as being the same as wearing a KKK robe. 

I don't see where the girl did anything wrong.  Again.. where do politics and geometry intersect?

Quoting Billiebeth:

I so doubt you would be supporting a teacher telling a student to change from an Obama or pro choice or support gay rights shirt because the teacher thinks it is wrong.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.


That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".


Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 MM-HMM. I know.



Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.



Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?







Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?


 


 




smurfbitebug
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:04 PM

 That just isn't true. I told you time and again that the teacher was wrong for her actions, and reminded you time and again that it was my first sentence in my original comment. You continued to quote me, and you said, (and I quote) "that still doesn't mean you are understanding". I told you in no uncertain terms that I did understand. You continued to say that my "comment seemed to be bypassing the "fact" (your opinion) that the student was wrong but the teacher was more wrong".

I didn't take this personally. Am I all pissy? No. Slightly annoyed, but not pissy. I don't tend to take it personally when a lady on CM is so in love with her own opinion she won't take no for an answer.

So, because in this post you clearly have a hard time understanding what I say, I wasn't like this:

I was much more like this:

And this is you:

aaaaand this is how I am now:

Quoting OneToughMami:

You have seriously taken this too far. That's not what I was doing. But hey if that's what you want to think go for it. You took this personal for no reason to be honest. I quoted you and used a general you because it seemed everyone was one sides either teacher or student...and seemed to all be bypassing the fact that the teacher was more inappropriate.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

If you believe in your opinions so strongly that you have to attempt to shove them down the throats of other people, I suggest you not conclude with "*eyeroll*". It's weak. Especially coming from an educator.


Quoting OneToughMami:

Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?



Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.



Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.



SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.



And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.



Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.



Quoting smurfbitebug:



On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.




That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".




Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.




Quoting smurfbitebug:




 MM-HMM. I know.





Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.





Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.







Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?









Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?




 




 



 


 

 

OneToughMami
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:09 PM
For someone who's not mad you sure spent a lot of time on this *shrug*

And it's not my opinion that the teacher can't do what she did. In Pennsylvania, she could be fired *shrug* soooo hey it's her job not mine...if she wants to be fired over a tshirt and a very poor joke then welp jokes on her?


Quoting smurfbitebug:

 That just isn't true. I told you time and again that the teacher was wrong for her actions, and reminded you time and again that it was my first sentence in my original comment. You continued to quote me, and you said, (and I quote) "that still doesn't mean you are understanding". I told you in no uncertain terms that I did understand. You continued to say that my "comment seemed to be bypassing the "fact" (your opinion) that the student was wrong but the teacher was more wrong".


I didn't take this personally. Am I all pissy? No. Slightly annoyed, but not pissy. I don't tend to take it personally when a lady on CM is so in love with her own opinion she won't take no for an answer.


So, because in this post you clearly have a hard time understanding what I say, I wasn't like this:



I was much more like this:



And this is you:



aaaaand this is how I am now:



Quoting OneToughMami:

You have seriously taken this too far. That's not what I was doing. But hey if that's what you want to think go for it. You took this personal for no reason to be honest. I quoted you and used a general you because it seemed everyone was one sides either teacher or student...and seemed to all be bypassing the fact that the teacher was more inappropriate.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


If you believe in your opinions so strongly that you have to attempt to shove them down the throats of other people, I suggest you not conclude with "*eyeroll*". It's weak. Especially coming from an educator.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*



Quoting smurfbitebug:



 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?




Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.




Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.




SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.




And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.




Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.




Quoting smurfbitebug:




On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.





That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".





Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.





Quoting smurfbitebug:





 MM-HMM. I know.






Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.






Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.






Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.








Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?










Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?





 





 




 



 


 

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smurfbitebug
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Wow. RIGHT AFTER the comment where I clearly stated, AGAIN, the fact that I was on neither side.

Quoting Billiebeth:

I so doubt you would be supporting a teacher telling a student to change from an Obama or pro choice or support gay rights shirt because the teacher thinks it is wrong.

Quoting smurfbitebug:

On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.


That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".


Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


 MM-HMM. I know.



Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.



Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.





Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?







Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?


 


 



 

smurfbitebug
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:19 PM

 You do realize that the amount of time spent on a comment does not directly imply a mood behind it, right? In fact, the pictures themselves should suggest that I think it's humorous..which I do. But please, don't make me explain pictures to you, too. That's just sad.

I have never once disagreed that she shouldn't face consequences for her actions. In fact, if it warrants termination, she should be fired. I really don't understand why you STILL think I'm against the teacher paying the consequences for her actions. Oh wait, I do. You are still assuming I'm a dumbass. Tricky territory, there. You may be right about someone..but then again, you may be wrong, and end up looking like a dumbass yourself.

Quoting OneToughMami:

For someone who's not mad you sure spent a lot of time on this *shrug*

And it's not my opinion that the teacher can't do what she did. In Pennsylvania, she could be fired *shrug* soooo hey it's her job not mine...if she wants to be fired over a tshirt and a very poor joke then welp jokes on her?


Quoting smurfbitebug:

 That just isn't true. I told you time and again that the teacher was wrong for her actions, and reminded you time and again that it was my first sentence in my original comment. You continued to quote me, and you said, (and I quote) "that still doesn't mean you are understanding". I told you in no uncertain terms that I did understand. You continued to say that my "comment seemed to be bypassing the "fact" (your opinion) that the student was wrong but the teacher was more wrong".


I didn't take this personally. Am I all pissy? No. Slightly annoyed, but not pissy. I don't tend to take it personally when a lady on CM is so in love with her own opinion she won't take no for an answer.


So, because in this post you clearly have a hard time understanding what I say, I wasn't like this:



I was much more like this:



And this is you:



aaaaand this is how I am now:



Quoting OneToughMami:

You have seriously taken this too far. That's not what I was doing. But hey if that's what you want to think go for it. You took this personal for no reason to be honest. I quoted you and used a general you because it seemed everyone was one sides either teacher or student...and seemed to all be bypassing the fact that the teacher was more inappropriate.


Quoting smurfbitebug:


If you believe in your opinions so strongly that you have to attempt to shove them down the throats of other people, I suggest you not conclude with "*eyeroll*". It's weak. Especially coming from an educator.



Quoting OneToughMami:

Yup exactly all of that...*eyeroll*



Quoting smurfbitebug:



 Right. And you assumed I didn't understand why the teacher was out of line...why?




Oh, that's right. You wanted me to say "They were both wrong but the teacher, that bitch was way more wrong." And if I said it in any other way, we would be having....this..lovely conversation.




Well, I don't happen to think the teacher was "way more wrong". I think they were both equally wrong. The teacher was in charge of that classroom, which means she was in charge of that young lady at that moment, and the student should have complied with the teacher's wishes. If she didn't feel it was appropriate to do so, she should have handled it with a lot more respect than she did. What's more, she decided to go home and act like her life was just ruined by that hateful whore of a teacher she has (Even though the teacher was just out of line with a joke. Which was wrong, and she should face the consequences of that- but it was nowhere near what the student acted like it was) and curl up and refuse to go to school the next day. Oh, her life was just OVER, wasn't it? There's no way a 16 year old young woman should still be getting away with acting like that. She can drive, she can own a car, college is right around the corner. She should be acting more like an adult and less like a bratty twelve year old. The young woman should be facing the consequences for that, but instead all of these adults are going to willingly and joyfully carry on like she's some kind of victim and enable that behavior all the way.




SO, maybe THAT is what people need to understand a little bit more clearly.




And "you, as an educator" can disagree with me. That is fine. But please stop trying to beat your opinion into my head when I clearly don't agree for sound reasons, even though you just assume people are dumbasses.




Quoting OneToughMami:

What's hypocritical about saying the girl could have just turned the shirt around? I'm not on the girl's side in this because she acted like a snotty little teenager but I'm not at all on the teachers side either because she preached her professionalism and contract. While they are both wrong I as an educator am allowed to believe the educator is more wrong. I never once said anyone should bypass the girl's behavior just that people need to understand why the teacher was much more out of line.




Quoting smurfbitebug:




On the contrary, I didn't "bypass" anything. The teacher's wrongful behavior is included in my first comment. Again- very first sentence. Just because I didn't harp on it like you would CLEARLY prefer I did, it doesn't mean I don't fully understand that she shouldn't have taken it to the level that she did.





That being said, this last comment of yours is a little hypocritical. Seeing as you would clearly have preferred me "bypass" pointing out that the young woman's behavior was also out of line. You have to admit that you jumped on me pretty quick, acting like I'm on the teacher's "side". When in reality, I am on neither "side".





Quoting OneToughMami:

You comment seemed to be bypassing the fact that both were wrong but the adult was more wrong. The student I am sure could have been handled better in a more professional way. All over a tshirt...maybe she could have turned it inside out or taken it off but there really was no harm.





Quoting smurfbitebug:





 MM-HMM. I know.






Yet I wasn't concentrating on that in my comment. I chose to speak about the glaring issue with the sixteen year old young woman pitching a bitch fit. Seems like the teacher's already been thoroughly covered in other comments. No? Not enough? Feel free to continue, then.






Quoting OneToughMami:

Okay that still doesn't mean you are understanding. Joke or no joke...a teacher is not allowed to show political preferences in a classroom. Depending on her school or district she may have breached her contract. Joke or not she should have kept it to herself.






Quoting smurfbitebug:

Maybe you overlooked my very first sentence. Feel free to read that now.








Quoting OneToughMami:

Well a huge problem is as a teacher she cannot say things like that to students! Why is that so hard for people to get?










Quoting smurfbitebug:

While it may have been an inappropriate thing for a TEACHER to say.. it was just a joke. Seriously. The kid is in high school, she should know how to take a joke by now. College is around the corner. Is she going to stay home every time someone cracks a crude joke?





 





 




 



 


 

 

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