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The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies

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The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies

The truth behind that $5 trillion tax cut, pre-existing conditions and more

  
President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney at the first Presidential Debate.
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October 4, 2012 9:32 AM ET

Mitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate - and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with the president under a heaping pile of horseshit.

Here are mendacious Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28Neky213

by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Replies (11-20):
asfriend
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM
Shock that you would "have his back".


Quoting Aslen:

Obama has had my support and my vote since 2008. Thats not gonna change. Especially for a snake oil salesman like Mittens

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Moniker
by Bronze Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:05 PM

#4 Blows my mind because they way it already is HMO's ( thank you Nixon for taking quality out of health care and turning it over to pure profit for ins. companies) and insurance companies NOT doctors establish what kind of treatments people get. 

#5. I heard Romney's advisor today tell a reporter that whether or not pre existing conditions will be covered is up to states. THe reporter asked, will it be mandated that they have to be covered, like he said in the debate last night, he said NO, it will be up to the states. Admitted it already, less than 24 hours after the debate. 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:05 PM


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.

I am no fan of Romney but your comment is a bit over the top and rather scary, to be honest.  You, in essence, have stated you hope Romney hangs himself and it comes across as if you mean literally.  You might want to re-think how you word things.

The President was not stunned at any thing that came out of Romney's mouth.  He knows what he is all about.  It's  a shame Romney did not share that with us but rather only dismissed direct questions and attacked the current Administration.  That told me nothing about him and what he will do.  


"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song." ~ Maya Angelou

Lurion
by Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:06 PM
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Oh please...paranoid much? It's a common term, to give someone enough rope to hang themselves with. 

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.

I am no fan of Romney but your comment is a bit over the top and rather scary, to be honest.  You, in essence, have stated you hope Romney hangs himself and it comes across as if you mean literally.  You might want to re-think how you word things.

The President was not stunned at any thing that came out of Romney's mouth.  He knows what he is all about.  It's  a shame Romney did not share that with us but rather only dismissed direct questions and attacked the current Administration.  That told me nothing about him and what he will do.  



annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM
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Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.

I am no fan of Romney but your comment is a bit over the top and rather scary, to be honest.  You, in essence, have stated you hope Romney hangs himself and it comes across as if you mean literally.  You might want to re-think how you word things.

The President was not stunned at any thing that came out of Romney's mouth.  He knows what he is all about.  It's  a shame Romney did not share that with us but rather only dismissed direct questions and attacked the current Administration.  That told me nothing about him and what he will do.  

 

Ugh she did NOT mean that literally! LOL


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:09 PM


Quoting Lurion:

Oh please...paranoid much? It's a common term, to give someone enough rope to hang themselves with. 

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.

I am no fan of Romney but your comment is a bit over the top and rather scary, to be honest.  You, in essence, have stated you hope Romney hangs himself and it comes across as if you mean literally.  You might want to re-think how you word things.

The President was not stunned at any thing that came out of Romney's mouth.  He knows what he is all about.  It's  a shame Romney did not share that with us but rather only dismissed direct questions and attacked the current Administration.  That told me nothing about him and what he will do.  



Paranoid?  Not at all.  The fact you would assume such a thing speaks volumes.

I was merely trying to point out that your choice of words, at the end of  your statement, could be construed in many different ways.  


"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song." ~ Maya Angelou

annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM
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Nice try asfriend!

She meant Obama Let Romney to get away with lies, to show country who is real Romney - BIG TIME LIAR.

Quoting asfriend:

Hang himself?

Are you serious? Do you have even the first clue how racially charged comments like that are? That couldn't have been an accident, you know one of those men on stage was a Black man, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself for that. SMFH
Ridiculous, how can we ever come together, with divisive hate speech rhetoric.
Surely this thread will be pulled.
Unbelievable.


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.



Lurion
by Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM
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I'm equally shocked that anyone would take this common expression and be so extreme as to make it racial or take it literally. Utterly ridiculous!!! 


Quoting asfriend:

Hang himself?

Are you serious? Do you have even the first clue how racially charged comments like that are? That couldn't have been an accident, you know one of those men on stage was a Black man, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself for that. SMFH
Ridiculous, how can we ever come together, with divisive hate speech rhetoric.
Surely this thread will be pulled.
Unbelievable.


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.



annabl1970
by Platinum Member on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Exactly!

Quoting Lurion:

I'm equally shocked that anyone would take this common expression and be so extreme as to make it racial or take it literally. Utterly ridiculous!!! 

 

Quoting asfriend:

Hang himself?

Are you serious? Do you have even the first clue how racially charged comments like that are? That couldn't have been an accident, you know one of those men on stage was a Black man, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself for that. SMFH
Ridiculous, how can we ever come together, with divisive hate speech rhetoric.
Surely this thread will be pulled.
Unbelievable.


Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.


 


asfriend
by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:13 PM
You must be new here.


Quoting Lurion:

I'm equally shocked that anyone would take this common expression and be so extreme as to make it racial or take it literally. Utterly ridiculous!!! 



Quoting asfriend:

Hang himself?



Are you serious? Do you have even the first clue how racially charged comments like that are? That couldn't have been an accident, you know one of those men on stage was a Black man, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself for that. SMFH

Ridiculous, how can we ever come together, with divisive hate speech rhetoric.

Surely this thread will be pulled.

Unbelievable.





Quoting Lurion:

Wow, how long did it take to narrow it down to just 5?

I think Obama was just so stunned by the BS that was pouring out of Romney's mouth, he didn't even know how to respond...or he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Hoping for the latter.





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