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A genuine question to those who support Romney.

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I've asked this is a few threads but no one seems to want to answer.

What, in your opinion, did Romney offer last night that should have been helpful to some one undecided?  

I realize the time was restricted but what did he offer to Americans?

Specifics, not just his back and forth on how he feels about the current Administration.

This has nothing to do with the President.

What did I not hear last night that Romney has to offer America?

Notice I said last night................I am speaking specifically of what he offered during the debate.  Not at any other time.

"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song." ~ Maya Angelou

by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:38 PM
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by Bronze Member on Oct. 6, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Mark my will end up paying more taxes if Romney is elected...

by Bronze Member on Oct. 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM


Check out this business report concerning Romney and taxes...

by Whoopie on Oct. 6, 2012 at 6:16 PM


Unless he wants to add to the debt.

Quoting GrannyM.:

Mark my will end up paying more taxes if Romney is elected...

Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
by Whoopie on Oct. 6, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Romney Vow to Cut Middle-Class Taxes at Odds With Cap

By David J. Lynch and Margaret Collins on October 05, 2012

On taxes, Mitt Romney is long on promises and short on details.

The Republican presidential nominee pledges to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” without giving high earners another tax cut or adding to the U.S. budget deficit. He can do that, he says, by capping the value of tax breaks available to any individual taxpayer.

His tax plan, however, would upend financial planning for millions of middle-class households, denying them thousands of dollars in annual deductions. Earlier this week, after months of refusing to specify which tax breaks he would curtail, Romney said taxpayers might be able to take a total of no more than $17,000 in deductions each year.

That won’t bring in enough revenue to make up for almost $5 trillion the government will lose over 10 years once tax rates are reduced by 20 percent as Romney has proposed, according to economist William Gale of the Brookings Institution in Washington.

“It doesn’t come close to paying for the $5 trillion,” said Gale, who co-authored a study of Romney’s tax plan for the non-partisan Tax Policy Center in Washington.

At least 3.7 million U.S. taxpayers last year reported deductions of $25,000 or more. About 10 million others wrote off $15,000 to $25,000. Romney says their taxes wouldn’t go up, and in fact would decline, under his 20 percent across-the-board tax rate cut.

‘Revenue Neutral’

The Romney campaign disputes the center’s analysis and has cited competing studies by economists at Princeton University in New Jersey and Rice University in Houston that back his initial tax plan.

The former Massachusetts governor describes his proposal as “revenue neutral,” meaning the federal government would raise as much money as it currently does. Asked to explain who would pay more to compensate for middle-income households paying less in taxes, a campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond.

Romney this week suggested the cap as a way to help pay for his proposed tax rate cut. The deduction cap would be one piece of a three-part concept for broadening the tax base, which the Romney campaign has said is designed to jump-start economic growth.

Some families that both Romney and President Barack Obama describe as middle-class would end up with a tax cut under Romney’s plan. Homeowners living in states with high state and local taxes, however, could end up worse off, according to a preliminary analysis by Bloomberg Government.

‘High-Tax States’

The $17,000 deduction cap “targets taxpayers residing in high-tax states that pay a lot of mortgage interest,” says Bloomberg Government analyst Patrick Driessen, who spent 25 years as an economist for the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation.

A family living in Ohio that earns $150,000, donated $4,000 to charity and paid 4.5 percent interest on a $200,000 mortgage as well as $4,000 in property taxes in 2012 would see a tax cut of more than $3,000 under Romney’s plan, according to a calculation prepared for Bloomberg News by Tim Steffen, director of financial planning at Robert W. Baird & Co. in Milwaukee.

Under the current tax code, such a family would owe $21,819 in federal income tax, compared with $18,728 under Romney’s plan.

A similar family living in California or New York, where state taxes are much higher, wouldn’t be as fortunate. Steffen emphasized the difficulty of analyzing Romney’s plan because the candidate has provided few details as to how he would treat deductions and credits.

Tax Increase

Using slightly different assumptions, Tony Nitti, a partner at WithumSmith & Brown PC in Aspen, Colorado, who prepares taxpayer returns for high earners, found that Romney’s plan could increase taxes for some middle-income families.

Nitti assumed an Ohio family with income from wages of $150,000, a 30-year mortgage at 5 percent interest with a beginning balance in 2012 of $300,000, generating a mortgage interest deduction for 2012 of $13,666. Their itemized deductions included real estate taxes of $5,000, charitable donations of $4,000 and state income tax payments of $6,000.

If Romney’s proposed cap applies to itemized deductions and personal exemptions, this family would pay more under Romney’s plan, Nitti said. He calculated that their tax bill would rise to $20,248 from $18,783 under current law -- an increase of $1,465.

Layer of Complexity

“The reason you cut rates and broaden the tax base is to simplify the tax code,” Nitti said. “If instead you just put a cap on, you’ve not simplified it and you’ve just added another layer of complexity.”

Romney’s interest in capping deductions differs from an earlier proposal by Martin Feldstein, an economics professor at Harvard University. Last year, Feldstein, a former adviser to President Ronald Reagan, suggested limiting deductions to 2 percent of a taxpayer’s adjusted gross income. His plan would have increased overall tax revenue by $278 billion in 2011 to reduce the deficit.

“My idea was to cap the revenue loss not the deductions per se,” Feldstein wrote in an e-mail. “And it extended to the health care exclusion. So it is not comparable to the Romney suggestion.”

Princeton’s Harvey Rosen, an economics professor, concluded that Romney’s plan would be as progressive as the current system if Congress eliminated the most widely used deductions by taxpayers earning more than $100,000 annually. Rosen’s analysis abolished deductions for home mortgage interest payments, employer-provided health insurance, state and local taxes, charitable contributions, and the unrealized increase in the value of life-insurance policies for households with six-figure incomes.

Rosen declined to comment yesterday on the proposed $17,000 deduction cap, saying he hadn’t studied it.

‘Got to Give’

Gale, who was a senior White House economist in the administration of President George H.W. Bush, says the Tax Policy Center is analyzing Romney’s latest concept of capping deductions. It appears the deduction cap would raise only $1 trillion to $2 trillion of the needed $5 trillion, he said in a telephone interview.

“Something’s got to give with all the things he’s promised,” he said. “It’s not clear what.”

In the Oct. 3 presidential debate, Romney rejected Obama’s statement that he was proposing a “$5 trillion tax cut” tilted toward the wealthy. “I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle income families,” Romney said.

In an Aug. 16 analysis, the Tax Policy Center found that cutting rates for taxpayers making more than $200,000 a year would cost the U.S. government $251 billion in revenue while curtailing tax breaks would bring in $165 billion.

Reviving Growth

Analyses that the Romney campaign has cited, including that by Princeton’s Rosen, say that gap can be closed.

Romney describes his tax plan as essential to reviving the economy, especially through improved incentives for small businesses to hire. “For me, this is about jobs. This is about jobs for the American people,” he said during the debate.

Obama criticized Romney for being vague about his tax plans, suggesting he was hiding details because they would hurt the middle class.

“He is saying that he is going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions,” the president said during the debate. “The problem is that he’s been asked over 100 times how you would close those deductions and loopholes, and he hasn’t been able to identify them.”

Romney took issue with Obama’s contention. Instead, he said he is laying out general principles and leaving the details to negotiations with lawmakers after the election.

Different Caps

He also further muddied the few details that have been made public, including suggesting different potential deduction caps.

“What are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance?” Romney asked. “One way, for instance, would be to have a single number. Make up a number, $25,000, $50,000. Anybody can have deductions up to that amount. And then that number disappears for high-income people.”

“There are alternatives to accomplish the objective I have, which is to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code, and create incentives for growth,” Romney said.

The Republican candidate also described his rate-lowering, base-broadening plan as having “the same idea behind Bowles- Simpson,” referring to the national debt-reduction commission known for its co-chairmen, onetime White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, a Democrat, and former Republican Senator Alan Simpson of Wyoming.

Their report, however, would have increased taxes on capital gains and dividends, while Romney intends to continue taxing investment gains at a preferential 15 percent rate. His plan also would eliminate taxes on capital gains, dividends and interest for individuals making less than $200,000 a year.

by Silver Member on Oct. 6, 2012 at 7:23 PM

I'm a Libertarian....the only thing that Romney offered was the word "Constitution" which  I do believe Obama doesn't believe in...I'm still not a huge fan of Romney.  Ron Paul is my choice.  I do think, however, that Romney whipped Obama's butt in the debate.

by Ruby Member on Oct. 6, 2012 at 7:54 PM


Quoting PurdueMom:

Quoting toomanypoodles:

[...]   I am opting out of Obamacare and will pay the FINE. 

..... So you are dropping your health insurance just to make a point?

 I haven't had HE for three years.  It's been cheaper to pay out of pocket what we require each year.

by Ruby Member on Oct. 6, 2012 at 7:56 PM
Quoting GotSomeKids:

We've already calculated it.  We are middle class and between the tax "INCREASE" and fewer deductions we are going to have to pay an additional $2100 a year (give or take).  We did refinance the house, so that will also change some deductions as well.  We'll see how it goes.

Quoting toomanypoodles:

Quoting starry_dreamer:

Don't they both want to do that?

Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Cut taxes in order to grow the economy.  That's what he said


Are you kidding?! Honey, Obama said he plans to INCREASE taxes! I cannot afford 4 more years of him. And that Obamacare you're waiting for? You realize that's gonna cost ya another 2 and a half grand a year, don't you?

Pray Romney wins.
by Whoopie on Oct. 6, 2012 at 7:57 PM


Romney’s Tax Hikes 
The candidate is masquerading as a free-marketeer.

By Deroy Murdock

Hot on the heels of his eight-vote Iowa-caucus landslide, Willard Mitt Romney is crisscrossing New Hampshire before Tuesday’s key primary. Romney is masquerading as a limited-government, free-market executive from next-door Massachusetts. From the Golden Gate to the Granite State, voters should greet Romney’s impersonation with a quarryful of skepticism.

In fact, Romney increased taxes by $309 million, mainly on corporations. These tax hikes, described by Romney apologists as “loophole closures,” totaled $128 million in 2003, $95.5 million in 2004, and $85 million in 2005. That final year, Romney proposed $170 million in higher business taxes, the Boston Globe reports. However, the Bay State’s liberal, Democratic legislature balked and approved only the less onerous $85 million increase.

“Tax rates on many corporations almost doubled because of legislation supported by Romney,” Peter Nicholas, chairman of Boston Science Corporation, explained in the Jan. 6, 2008, Boston Herald. “His portrayal of himself as a reliable tax cutter,” Nicholas added, “is undercut by the facts.” Also, Romney raised the tax — from 5.3 to 9.8 percent — on subchapter S corporations owned by business trusts. Nicholas called this 85 percent tax hike “an important disincentive to investment, growth, and job creation.” Joseph Crosby of the Council on State Taxation observed, “Romney went further than any other governor in trying to wring money out of corporations.” 


Romney also imposed an additional $432 million in fees for state services by creating new fees or increasing existing ones. He was not dragooned into this by greedy Democratic lawmakers; Romney himself proposed these items. In 2003 alone, Romney concocted or boosted 88 such fees. He charged more money for marriage licenses(from $6 to $12), gun registrations (from $25 to $75), gasoline deliveries ($60 million), real-estate transfers ($175 million), and lots more. Particularly obnoxious was Romney’s $10 fee per Certificate of Blindness. Romney also billed blind people $15 each for discount-travel ID cards.

While Romney can take credit for a $275 million capital-gains-tax rebate, property-tax relief for seniors, and a two-day tax-free shopping holiday, he also must take responsibility for $740.5 million in higher taxes, plus that $85 million in business taxes that he requested and the legislators rejected.

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by JENN on Oct. 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

 Unfortunately, in our current 2 party system, a 3rd party vote is technically a vote for Oblama. Sad but true.

Quoting funnymommy71:

RON PAUL.........

Quoting HeathersForever:

Is that enough to "hook" you? Because if it is the only reason you want to vote for someone you should look at the third parties and actually back someone you believe in and not someone you hate just hate less.

Quoting Paperfishies:

The only thing Romney has to offer, is that he isn't Obama.



by Whoopie on Oct. 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Unless it's a vote for MR- just depends on who is trying to do the convincing.

Quoting dustinsmom1:

 Unfortunately, in our current 2 party system, a 3rd party vote is technically a vote for Oblama. Sad but true.

Quoting funnymommy71:

RON PAUL.........

Quoting HeathersForever:

Is that enough to "hook" you? Because if it is the only reason you want to vote for someone you should look at the third parties and actually back someone you believe in and not someone you hate just hate less.

Quoting Paperfishies:

The only thing Romney has to offer, is that he isn't Obama.


Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
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