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Are you voting for a third party candidate?

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I have noticed many people say they are voting for a third party candidate. A lot more than I have noticed in the past. Of course I am paying more attention now. What do you think? Are you voting for a third party? Do you think more people are voting third party now than they have in the past?

by on Oct. 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM
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illinoismommy83
by Bronze Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I keep hoping that the internet will get together and demand we write in some fictional character. With the power of Twitter and Facebook and such you'd think we could get enough people together to get Big Bird in office :)

radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

smalltowngal
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM

DH and I will both be voting third party for the first time this year. 

Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Well all I say about the Libertarians are that they believe in making ALL drugs legal.  That's why I could never vote for them.  But, other than that I liked Ron Paul.  Except, for the drug & being light on our Military forces.  I believe our Country HAS TO have a strong Military.  It doesn't mean I want to go to war, just the opposite.  I wish we could get out of all the wars, that has nothing to do with the American interests. 

 Let other Countries solve their own issues.  We have too much going on here, to worry about that.  But, we have become dependent on oil, that's why we get into many of our wars.  But, it still doesn't mean we should weaken our Military.  We have to show the World we are strong.  My MAIN priority in this yr's election is the ECONOMY & JOBS PERIOD!!  Obama has no answer for this.  If given another 4 yrs. he WILL make things worse or America.  MORE will be living in poverty & our crime rate WILL go up.  Romney is the one that KNOWS how the Economy works & WILL get Americans back to working. 

 With Romney's plan for more jobs, there will be MORE competition where employers will have to compete then higher wages will start to come back again.  Obama is KILLING the small businesses.  Corps. are too afraid to expand & hire more, because of Obamacare.  IF people want MORE of what we have had these past 3 1/2 yrs.  then YES vote for him then.  It's people choice. 

Quoting radioheid:

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 


Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I do understand what you are saying.  I also, DO believe it is your right to vote 3rd Party.  I actually understand it.  All I was trying to say is, IF a person wants to get Obama OUT, then voting 3rd Party, will hurt those chances.  That's all I'm saying.  I understand the 3rd Party vote, but right now in America I believe we NEED to get Obama OUT!!  Not voting or voting 3rd party because one is not happy with both choices, TO ME, just isn't the way we are going to get our Country turned around. 

 Actually, it hurts those chances.  IF Romney wins, and AFTER his 1st term & he doesn't turn things around like he said he would.  Then, YES FOR SURE vote 3rd Party & I might do the same.  But, gee give the guy a chance first.  Just like we gave Obama a chance.  Now, IMO is NOT the time to do it. 

Quoting katzmeow726:

This right here is what I was talking about.


Another hyper-affiliated person, saying that "3rd party throws away the vote."

IT does not.  By DISCOURAGING people from voting for a person they support in a 3rd party, you are again making sure that these parties never get traction.  The more votes they get, the more people will realize that there are other options to the GOP and DEM's. You're right, every vote for a 3rd party probably will take votes from Mitt. But it will also mean in 4 years, that we could possibly see a good 3rd option for president.  
  My vote says that I am tired of being offered coke and pepsi and told they are different, when in truth they are just two flavors of soft drink, and both are bad for me.

I want actual choice, not the illusion of choice.  This is why I am voting the way I am.  I'm saying that I am not pleased with either choice.  With any luck, the large number of 3rd party votes this year will send a signal to politicians, and Americans, that this two party system is a failure, and we need better choices. 

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.



radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 8, 2012 at 2:02 PM
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 Jesus Christ, our defense budget is already larger than the next 5 combined! And even with trillions in defense spending, more than 500 military installations all over the planet and a standing military numbering in the millions, we still saw 9/11, still lost the war in Iraq, will lose the war in Afghanistan, and just saw our embassy sacked. The solution isn't a larger military, and it isn't another trillion in military spending, as Romney has suggested. The solution is to reevaluate what we already have and the role we've been playing. 

We're spending entirely too much on "defense" (which, over the past 60 years, would be better described as "offense") considering the return on that investment. We haven't won a war since WWII. Why? Because we aren't warding off attackers poised to take over the country. We aren't taking a preemptive strike on anyone who has placed us in imminent danger. We've been fighting communists on foreign continents, simply because we don't practice communism and fear its spread. We've been fighting Muslim extremists in the ME because a handful of them have committed violent acts against Americans and American interests. We've called this endless war against radical ideology "the War on Terror"---a war that is un-winnable by military means short of genocide.

Meanwhile, we've all but ignored the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. We ignored Sadam Hussein while he was gassing Kurds to death in the hundreds of thousands. We ignored Pol Pot's reign of death over Cambodia. I could go on all day listing the horrors the United States has ignored over the last 50 years. The motivation for our choice military engagements isn't justice, it is money. "World leader" my ass---a leader considers all of his people, not just those who make him the most money. I'm not suggesting we should or should have engaged in more foreign conflicts, I'm only pointing out the fallacy in calling ourselves a "world leader" while we stand idly by and watch millions of people starve to death, live in filth and die at the hands of dictators. Either we step in, step out, or we call a spade a spade.

What, exactly, is Mitt Romney going to do to boost job growth outside the taxpayer-funded defense sector? We all know he wants to beef up defense spending, but what other plan does he have? I don't care about the part-time, minimum wage jobs he "created" while with Bain---those jobs don't get people off the welfare rolls.

Reality is that outside of socialism and its cousin communism, a nation's leader has very little to do with the economy. In free market capitalism, We The People create the economic conditions, either by making an investment or exercising caution (or *greed*). It is no mystery to me that our economy tanked after 6 years of non-profitable war in two different countries, paid for largely by loans taken out on American investors. Short of printing up more Monopoly money or forcing the stingy fuckers who hold the majority of our nation's wealth to create and expand businesses (and of course---buy American), this was bound to happen. The more I've thought about it, the more I've realized our economic downturn is the direct result of needlessly engaging in decade-long wars that offer no financial reward, and which have destabilized the global economy, and particularly that of the ME.

With that said, Mitt Romney is a bad choice for President of The United States.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Well all I say about the Libertarians are that they believe in making ALL drugs legal.  That's why I could never vote for them.  But, other than that I liked Ron Paul.  Except, for the drug & being light on our Military forces.  I believe our Country HAS TO have a strong Military.  It doesn't mean I want to go to war, just the opposite.  I wish we could get out of all the wars, that has nothing to do with the American interests. 

 Let other Countries solve their own issues.  We have too much going on here, to worry about that.  But, we have become dependent on oil, that's why we get into many of our wars.  But, it still doesn't mean we should weaken our Military.  We have to show the World we are strong.  My MAIN priority in this yr's election is the ECONOMY & JOBS PERIOD!!  Obama has no answer for this.  If given another 4 yrs. he WILL make things worse or America.  MORE will be living in poverty & our crime rate WILL go up.  Romney is the one that KNOWS how the Economy works & WILL get Americans back to working. 

 With Romney's plan for more jobs, there will be MORE competition where employers will have to compete then higher wages will start to come back again.  Obama is KILLING the small businesses.  Corps. are too afraid to expand & hire more, because of Obamacare.  IF people want MORE of what we have had these past 3 1/2 yrs.  then YES vote for him then.  It's people choice. 

Quoting radioheid:

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 

 

 


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I will respect your opinions here, even if I disagree with some of it.  I agree that we don't need to put ourselves in war after war.  But, it is the oil that we have fought over in many of them.  Both parties are responsible for being in all of these wars.  I will agree that a 3rd Party choice would be a better choice for America.  Yet, what I have read up on the Libertarians, (even joining at one point the group of Libertarians here) I can't go along with their stances either.  I CAN'T even consider a Candidate when they believe in legalizing ALL drugs.  So, who is our other choice?  I don't see it.

Since, my personal opinion is that right now in America, the ECONOMY & JOBS should be & is MY main focus, I feel Romney is the best choice by far, than Obama.  You mention Romney, yet I don't hear your attacks or disagreements with Obama here.  Why? Why is that, when Obama can't even run on his OWN record.  Why when Obama has made things WORSE NOT better.  No matter how it can be said & twisted, Obama hasn't done the job.  Presidents like Carter & others, don't even get a 2nd term because of this. 

Quoting radioheid:

 Jesus Christ, our defense budget is already larger than the next 5 combined! And even with trillions in defense spending, more than 500 military installations all over the planet and a standing military numbering in the millions, we still saw 9/11, still lost the war in Iraq, will lose the war in Afghanistan, and just saw our embassy sacked. The solution isn't a larger military, and it isn't another trillion in military spending, as Romney has suggested. The solution is to reevaluate what we already have and the role we've been playing. 

We're spending entirely too much on "defense" (which, over the past 60 years, would be better described as "offense") considering the return on that investment. We haven't won a war since WWII. Why? Because we aren't warding off attackers poised to take over the country. We aren't taking a preemptive strike on anyone who has placed us in imminent danger. We've been fighting communists on foreign continents, simply because we don't practice communism and fear its spread. We've been fighting Muslim extremists in the ME because a handful of them have committed violent acts against Americans and American interests. We've called this endless war against radical ideology "the War on Terror"---a war that is un-winnable by military means short of genocide.

Meanwhile, we've all but ignored the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. We ignored Sadam Hussein while he was gassing Kurds to death in the hundreds of thousands. We ignored Pol Pot's reign of death over Cambodia. I could go on all day listing the horrors the United States has ignored over the last 50 years. The motivation for our choice military engagements isn't justice, it is money. "World leader" my ass---a leader considers all of his people, not just those who make him the most money. I'm not suggesting we should or should have engaged in more foreign conflicts, I'm only pointing out the fallacy in calling ourselves a "world leader" while we stand idly by and watch millions of people starve to death, live in filth and die at the hands of dictators. Either we step in, step out, or we call a spade a spade.

What, exactly, is Mitt Romney going to do to boost job growth outside the taxpayer-funded defense sector? We all know he wants to beef up defense spending, but what other plan does he have? I don't care about the part-time, minimum wage jobs he "created" while with Bain---those jobs don't get people off the welfare rolls.

Reality is that outside of socialism and its cousin communism, a nation's leader has very little to do with the economy. In free market capitalism, We The People create the economic conditions, either by making an investment or exercising caution (or *greed*). It is no mystery to me that our economy tanked after 6 years of non-profitable war in two different countries, paid for largely by loans taken out on American investors. Short of printing up more Monopoly money or forcing the stingy fuckers who hold the majority of our nation's wealth to create and expand businesses (and of course---buy American), this was bound to happen. The more I've thought about it, the more I've realized our economic downturn is the direct result of needlessly engaging in decade-long wars that offer no financial reward, and which have destabilized the global economy, and particularly that of the ME.

With that said, Mitt Romney is a bad choice for President of The United States.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Well all I say about the Libertarians are that they believe in making ALL drugs legal.  That's why I could never vote for them.  But, other than that I liked Ron Paul.  Except, for the drug & being light on our Military forces.  I believe our Country HAS TO have a strong Military.  It doesn't mean I want to go to war, just the opposite.  I wish we could get out of all the wars, that has nothing to do with the American interests. 

 Let other Countries solve their own issues.  We have too much going on here, to worry about that.  But, we have become dependent on oil, that's why we get into many of our wars.  But, it still doesn't mean we should weaken our Military.  We have to show the World we are strong.  My MAIN priority in this yr's election is the ECONOMY & JOBS PERIOD!!  Obama has no answer for this.  If given another 4 yrs. he WILL make things worse or America.  MORE will be living in poverty & our crime rate WILL go up.  Romney is the one that KNOWS how the Economy works & WILL get Americans back to working. 

 With Romney's plan for more jobs, there will be MORE competition where employers will have to compete then higher wages will start to come back again.  Obama is KILLING the small businesses.  Corps. are too afraid to expand & hire more, because of Obamacare.  IF people want MORE of what we have had these past 3 1/2 yrs.  then YES vote for him then.  It's people choice. 

Quoting radioheid:

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 

 

 


Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I hrt your opinion here. Spot on and my belief exactly-

Are you pulling the lever for Johnson?

Quoting radioheid:

 Jesus Christ, our defense budget is already larger than the next 5 combined! And even with trillions in defense spending, more than 500 military installations all over the planet and a standing military numbering in the millions, we still saw 9/11, still lost the war in Iraq, will lose the war in Afghanistan, and just saw our embassy sacked. The solution isn't a larger military, and it isn't another trillion in military spending, as Romney has suggested. The solution is to reevaluate what we already have and the role we've been playing. 

We're spending entirely too much on "defense" (which, over the past 60 years, would be better described as "offense") considering the return on that investment. We haven't won a war since WWII. Why? Because we aren't warding off attackers poised to take over the country. We aren't taking a preemptive strike on anyone who has placed us in imminent danger. We've been fighting communists on foreign continents, simply because we don't practice communism and fear its spread. We've been fighting Muslim extremists in the ME because a handful of them have committed violent acts against Americans and American interests. We've called this endless war against radical ideology "the War on Terror"---a war that is un-winnable by military means short of genocide.

Meanwhile, we've all but ignored the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. We ignored Sadam Hussein while he was gassing Kurds to death in the hundreds of thousands. We ignored Pol Pot's reign of death over Cambodia. I could go on all day listing the horrors the United States has ignored over the last 50 years. The motivation for our choice military engagements isn't justice, it is money. "World leader" my ass---a leader considers all of his people, not just those who make him the most money. I'm not suggesting we should or should have engaged in more foreign conflicts, I'm only pointing out the fallacy in calling ourselves a "world leader" while we stand idly by and watch millions of people starve to death, live in filth and die at the hands of dictators. Either we step in, step out, or we call a spade a spade.

What, exactly, is Mitt Romney going to do to boost job growth outside the taxpayer-funded defense sector? We all know he wants to beef up defense spending, but what other plan does he have? I don't care about the part-time, minimum wage jobs he "created" while with Bain---those jobs don't get people off the welfare rolls.

Reality is that outside of socialism and its cousin communism, a nation's leader has very little to do with the economy. In free market capitalism, We The People create the economic conditions, either by making an investment or exercising caution (or *greed*). It is no mystery to me that our economy tanked after 6 years of non-profitable war in two different countries, paid for largely by loans taken out on American investors. Short of printing up more Monopoly money or forcing the stingy fuckers who hold the majority of our nation's wealth to create and expand businesses (and of course---buy American), this was bound to happen. The more I've thought about it, the more I've realized our economic downturn is the direct result of needlessly engaging in decade-long wars that offer no financial reward, and which have destabilized the global economy, and particularly that of the ME.

With that said, Mitt Romney is a bad choice for President of The United States.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Well all I say about the Libertarians are that they believe in making ALL drugs legal.  That's why I could never vote for them.  But, other than that I liked Ron Paul.  Except, for the drug & being light on our Military forces.  I believe our Country HAS TO have a strong Military.  It doesn't mean I want to go to war, just the opposite.  I wish we could get out of all the wars, that has nothing to do with the American interests. 

 Let other Countries solve their own issues.  We have too much going on here, to worry about that.  But, we have become dependent on oil, that's why we get into many of our wars.  But, it still doesn't mean we should weaken our Military.  We have to show the World we are strong.  My MAIN priority in this yr's election is the ECONOMY & JOBS PERIOD!!  Obama has no answer for this.  If given another 4 yrs. he WILL make things worse or America.  MORE will be living in poverty & our crime rate WILL go up.  Romney is the one that KNOWS how the Economy works & WILL get Americans back to working. 

 With Romney's plan for more jobs, there will be MORE competition where employers will have to compete then higher wages will start to come back again.  Obama is KILLING the small businesses.  Corps. are too afraid to expand & hire more, because of Obamacare.  IF people want MORE of what we have had these past 3 1/2 yrs.  then YES vote for him then.  It's people choice. 

Quoting radioheid:

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 


 


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Kate_Momof3
by Silver Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Jill Stein all the way!!

radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

 My "Gary Johnson 2012" t-shirt from CafePress just arrived in the mail today ; )

Quoting Sisteract:

I hrt your opinion here. Spot on and my belief exactly-

Are you pulling the lever for Johnson?

Quoting radioheid:

 Jesus Christ, our defense budget is already larger than the next 5 combined! And even with trillions in defense spending, more than 500 military installations all over the planet and a standing military numbering in the millions, we still saw 9/11, still lost the war in Iraq, will lose the war in Afghanistan, and just saw our embassy sacked. The solution isn't a larger military, and it isn't another trillion in military spending, as Romney has suggested. The solution is to reevaluate what we already have and the role we've been playing. 

We're spending entirely too much on "defense" (which, over the past 60 years, would be better described as "offense") considering the return on that investment. We haven't won a war since WWII. Why? Because we aren't warding off attackers poised to take over the country. We aren't taking a preemptive strike on anyone who has placed us in imminent danger. We've been fighting communists on foreign continents, simply because we don't practice communism and fear its spread. We've been fighting Muslim extremists in the ME because a handful of them have committed violent acts against Americans and American interests. We've called this endless war against radical ideology "the War on Terror"---a war that is un-winnable by military means short of genocide.

Meanwhile, we've all but ignored the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. We ignored Sadam Hussein while he was gassing Kurds to death in the hundreds of thousands. We ignored Pol Pot's reign of death over Cambodia. I could go on all day listing the horrors the United States has ignored over the last 50 years. The motivation for our choice military engagements isn't justice, it is money. "World leader" my ass---a leader considers all of his people, not just those who make him the most money. I'm not suggesting we should or should have engaged in more foreign conflicts, I'm only pointing out the fallacy in calling ourselves a "world leader" while we stand idly by and watch millions of people starve to death, live in filth and die at the hands of dictators. Either we step in, step out, or we call a spade a spade.

What, exactly, is Mitt Romney going to do to boost job growth outside the taxpayer-funded defense sector? We all know he wants to beef up defense spending, but what other plan does he have? I don't care about the part-time, minimum wage jobs he "created" while with Bain---those jobs don't get people off the welfare rolls.

Reality is that outside of socialism and its cousin communism, a nation's leader has very little to do with the economy. In free market capitalism, We The People create the economic conditions, either by making an investment or exercising caution (or *greed*). It is no mystery to me that our economy tanked after 6 years of non-profitable war in two different countries, paid for largely by loans taken out on American investors. Short of printing up more Monopoly money or forcing the stingy fuckers who hold the majority of our nation's wealth to create and expand businesses (and of course---buy American), this was bound to happen. The more I've thought about it, the more I've realized our economic downturn is the direct result of needlessly engaging in decade-long wars that offer no financial reward, and which have destabilized the global economy, and particularly that of the ME.

With that said, Mitt Romney is a bad choice for President of The United States.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Well all I say about the Libertarians are that they believe in making ALL drugs legal.  That's why I could never vote for them.  But, other than that I liked Ron Paul.  Except, for the drug & being light on our Military forces.  I believe our Country HAS TO have a strong Military.  It doesn't mean I want to go to war, just the opposite.  I wish we could get out of all the wars, that has nothing to do with the American interests. 

 Let other Countries solve their own issues.  We have too much going on here, to worry about that.  But, we have become dependent on oil, that's why we get into many of our wars.  But, it still doesn't mean we should weaken our Military.  We have to show the World we are strong.  My MAIN priority in this yr's election is the ECONOMY & JOBS PERIOD!!  Obama has no answer for this.  If given another 4 yrs. he WILL make things worse or America.  MORE will be living in poverty & our crime rate WILL go up.  Romney is the one that KNOWS how the Economy works & WILL get Americans back to working. 

 With Romney's plan for more jobs, there will be MORE competition where employers will have to compete then higher wages will start to come back again.  Obama is KILLING the small businesses.  Corps. are too afraid to expand & hire more, because of Obamacare.  IF people want MORE of what we have had these past 3 1/2 yrs.  then YES vote for him then.  It's people choice. 

Quoting radioheid:

 I'm a registered Republican who typically votes Republican when a Libertarian doesn't appear on the ballot. But to be totally frank, I'm more comfortable with 4 more years of Obama than I am with Mitt Romney sitting in the Oval Office for *any* length of time. Romney is a danger to America in the global theater. He is an arrogant elitist who will almost certainly draw us into another war, because he subscribes to the concept of "war is money". After all, what ended the Great Depression? ---World War II.

I am not wasting my vote. I am voting for who I believe in, and I believe in Gary Johnson. His record as 2-term governor of New Mexico is excellent. I'm a "follower" of the "Ron Paul Revolution", so Gary Johnson is my natural choice for president, as Dr. Paul dropped out of the race.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Just like NOT voting, if one votes 3rd party, IMO it's like throwing your vote away.  This is just MY opionion, because I NEED Obama voted out of office.  I think the Country desperately needs Obama OUT!  IF not, I believe this Country will suffer more than it already has under Obama.  Obama has no plans for ANYTHNG.  He believes his policies are working.  He believes things has turned around. 

 When in fact, they have gotten worse.  Voing 3rd Party OR not voting at all, to me, is like giving Obama your vote.  Therefore, helping him to win.  Things HAVE gotten worse so far this yr. then in 2011.  Things were worse in 2011, than in 2010.  Things were worse in 2010, than in 2009.  Obama simply doesn't know what to do anymore.  That's why in the debates his head was down a lot.  He KNEW he has failed these 3 1/2 yrs.  Just my opinion.

 

 

 


 


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