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 It seems you can't log on to a news or social networking site these days without seeing a post about obesity, the healthcare crisis, welfare spending or complaints about schools' food restrictions (as they relate to obesity).

If the food stamp program operates through the Department of Agriculture, why aren't we giving food stamp recipients farm foods? Cartons of eggs, baskets of fruits and vegetables, fresh cuts of meat, blocks of cheese, gallons of milk, beans and nuts, jars of honey, etc? I realize some states have programs that allow food stamp recipients to use local farmers markets, but I think it would help the American people---the food stamp recipient, the taxpayer and the American farmer---much more if food stamps became food stamps again, something people use to buy healthy, American farm-raised food.

I don't think people would complain about food stamps if they could see the program's benefits. Instead, we're reminded that over 40 million Americans use food stamps while our farms are dwindling and obesity rates are rising, and meanwhile many food stamp recipients load up their carts with processed junk. When people are made to use their own money to buy junk food, they buy less of it. Nobody wll be telling people what they can and cannot eat, only that a program funded by the American taxpayer should be one that benefits all of American society. With the money a person earns, said person should be able to spend at his or her discretion.

Thoughts?


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

by on Oct. 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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hismommy2010
by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM

 All joking, and smart ass attitude aside... Yes, I could have tore one open. And in the future I will. ( I've already told my husband that, and walgreens that). But at that time, I was never aware that the two of these meds were packaged and labled the same, beause I had never taken the pill form.

My only point in this, was that insurance cost continue to rise. And this is something that happens mor often then not, and it's one way that they could lower the cost, yet it's a loop hole that isn't being addressed.

I have medical issues, and take several meds monthly, and every 3 months. this was the second time that there was an issue with my meds, and I had to come out of pocket again, and so did my insurance company. I really thought I was being carefull so that this mistake couldn't happen again, yet it did.

I feel that walgreens should have came out of pocket for the mistake on this, not me and my insurance company.

When I first got my insurance in 2008, I was paying $135.00 a month. Now my insurance is  little over $400.00 each month. I can't switch insurance, because I have a pre-exisiting medical condition that will not be covered by other insurance companies if i switch to get a lower monthly insurance.

Yes, in the future with all my meds, I'm going to sit in the walgreens drive through, open each pill and make sure it's correct. I won't pull away from their windown until I've checked each seperate pill. Of course this will piss off walgreens and other waiting customers, but it's the only fix I can come up with to make sure I'm not spending more money or my insurance company....

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

I read very well. I would still open one and check. But I do believe that you will now say that isn't possible. So I guess this is complete.


Quoting hismommy2010:

 I did check.... So clearly you have a problem with being able to understand... They are NOT in  a bottle. They are each in their own seperate package, that is sealed. They are labled the SAME. Only difference is one is a pill that you swallow and the other melts on your tounge.....


Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

You told me I assumed something when I didn't. You didn't check your prescription.



Quoting hismommy2010:


 WOW! Who pissed in your coffee? Are you generally this cranky and uptight? Let me guess, you are single right?  lol!



Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

So you didn't actually check, you just assumed. Like I said, look at them before you leave.




Quoting hismommy2010:



 I did check. But thanks for assuming other wise...




One of the prescriptions i get, is for migraines. I get maxalt melting tabs. I get 9 of them a month. They are in individual tiny packages. Much like when you purchase headache pills from a gas station...




I checked the lable, on the walgreens bag and I looked at the individual package for the pill. ( they are identical, and I wasn't aware of that).




When i got home, and went to open one of them, that's when I noticed. They had given me the pill form and not the melting tab form. I can't take the pill form, because I puke with my migraines, so any pills or fluids that I take, I puke right back up.




I made sure to check everything with this prescription because of their errors in the past. But I've never gotten the pill form of this med, so I wasn't aware that they came packaged the same.....




try not to assume , it's really un-healthy ;)




Quoting Claire-Huxtable:




Every pharmacy I have used said you need to check your prescriptions before you leave.   If I couldn't pay for a replacement, I would certainly check.   Why didn't you?




Quoting hismommy2010:




 The government doesn't want to correct anything, this is their plan... To keep digging our debt hole deeper and deeper...




Perfect example. I have health insurance, that isn't cheap at all. I need this health insurance due to medical issues that I have...




I take 3 prescriptions each month. One of my prescriptions cost A little over $500.00 for one month. My co-pay for that prescription is $40, insurance covers the rest... Walgreens filled my script this month, with the wrong form of the medicine. I'm supposed to get the tabs that melt on your tounge, NOT the pill form, because I will puke other wise... I didn't notice the mistake until I got home..




So  I called walgreens wanting to return the wrong meds THEY made the mistake of giving to me, for my correct meds... They said by law, they can't take back the pills, ( ok, I kinda get that for health reasons) but they also said I would have to pay for the prescription all over again. I called my insurance company to inform them. Because if you think about it, my insurance is paying the biggest part of these pills. So walgreens just made $1,000.00 off of THEIR mistake! And billed me and my insurance again...




I asked the insurance company how is this right? How is this legal? She agreed that it's messed up, but told me it's just one of those loops holes that there is no fix for....




mean while health care and insurance fee's continue to go up, and shit like this isn't making it any better!




 




 




 



 


 

KYLIEAARONMOMMY
by Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Ok, you obviously have a problem, and I'm not the only one in this thread that has noticed your attitude and stupidity. I'm done trying to explain basic civil rights to you. Of you need help, go read the food stamp act. Perhaps that might educate you a little bit. Have a nice day.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

The government moving to a more WIC type program like the OP suggested isn't telling people what to eat. It would be telling people what the government is willing to provide. Your food choices and likes and dislikes can be satisfied by purchasing those items the government no longer will provide.




Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

That's why they allow everyone to choose their own food. Not everyone eats the same foods. People are individuals and there's no way you can lump everyone together and say well you're only allowed to eat this. There's to many things to account for, so it's easier and more cost effective to let people choose their own. (Not talking about junk food, so don't get confused) They could however choose to regulate junk food and soda, but they don't.





Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

I have a complete understamding. The government gives food stamps. It doesn't have to provide a specific diet because you chose a religion.








Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Lmao and how you have no clue what this whole conversation has been about. Run along now newbie.









Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

You are the one talking about religion in a thread on limiting junk food, not me. People can receive what the government allows and buy everything else themselves regardless of their religion.












Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Where are you getting junk food from? I never said anything about junk food. Don't try and reply unless you read the entire conversation. Other wise you look stupid.













Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

What religion requires junk food?
















Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There are laws that have to be followed and you can not discriminate just because of religion. Do you know how many lawsuits would be filed if they tried to implement what you are saying? Go read the constitution. It's right there. Regardless of someone's finanical status or need, you can't discriminate against their religion.

















Quoting moneysaver6:

No.  Someone who is receiving charity doesn't get to dictate what that charity is.  It would be impossible for the government to be able to work around everyone's personal lifestyle choices...and it's not realistic to expect them to do so.

It would be reasonable to expect them to work around and provide alternate vouchers for allergies. 

Anything beyond that is the beggar (so to speak, of course) being a chooser.  If someone would like to adhere to specific dietary choices that have to do with their religion, culture, &/or personal lifestyle choices then they would have to go to their church, cultural center, or other private charities where they can request a different menu or alternate accomodations. 

Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

No, they would have to respect people's religion, and culture as well. Vegetarians, vegans, and people who only eat kosher.










Quoting moneysaver6:

Allergies are the only work-around necessary for someone who is so destitute that they cannot even provide their own food. Beyond that, they'll just need to adjust until they are able to feed themselves again.









Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

The United States is a very diverse country. Different cultures eat different types of food. Some don't eat meat, some only eat seafood. Some don't eat dairy. There are also millions of different types of allergies and medical conditions. That's a ton of special circumstances to adjust your food plan to account for. It costs money to create a computerized system that will know to give certain vouchers to certain families to account for their individual needs. People are individuals, not everyone can fit into a food plan like that. It is more cost effective to allow each family to chose their own food, then to try and keep track of it. Another problem, is the economy. Those food stamps provide revenue for the stores they buy them in. That revenue goes down, and they start laying people off. More lay offs, more people on fs. It makes more sense to just put restrictions on what they can buy. It will never happen, but it makes more sense.




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Woodbabe
by Woodie on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM
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And those processed foods are full of MSG, put there simply to trigger your brain into wanting to eat more...also significantly contributing to the obesity epidemic!

Quoting Lizardannie1966:

They have. Plus the convenience (or so it's believed) has contributed to that dependence. A lot of Moms went back to work and would come home from a long 8 or 9 hour day and who wants to cook from scratch? Now, I am talking over the past few decades, too. Times could have very easily changed and workings Moms use the slow cookers, or whatever, to avoid the quicker processed garbage.

When I worked, I used my slow cooker A LOT. It was wonderful and I could still provide those home cooked, healthier foods for my family.

Truth--my son and my husband love Hamburger Helper and Dinty Moore canned beef stew. I don't buy it and every once in a while, they whine that they don't have it, but they prefer my "from scratch" more nutritious meals. Plus, it's just plain cheaper to cook from scratch.

Quoting Woodbabe:

People would starve to death because they've become so dependant on pre-made,  processed food that they probably don't know how to cook real food! 



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futureshock
by Ruby Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

lol

NO, you would not have checked.  No one would have in her situation because there would be no reason to ever think a different form of the medication would be individually wrapped in the exact same way.  That would be like a regular medication (unwrapped and in a bottle) where you would have to break a pill open to ensure that the inside was the correct form of the medicine, which is absurd and no one would do it.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

I read very well. I would still open one and check. But I do believe that you will now say that isn't possible. So I guess this is complete.


Quoting hismommy2010:

 I did check.... So clearly you have a problem with being able to understand... They are NOT in  a bottle. They are each in their own seperate package, that is sealed. They are labled the SAME. Only difference is one is a pill that you swallow and the other melts on your tounge.....


Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

You told me I assumed something when I didn't. You didn't check your prescription.



Quoting hismommy2010:


 WOW! Who pissed in your coffee? Are you generally this cranky and uptight? Let me guess, you are single right?  lol!



Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

So you didn't actually check, you just assumed. Like I said, look at them before you leave.




Quoting hismommy2010:



 I did check. But thanks for assuming other wise...




One of the prescriptions i get, is for migraines. I get maxalt melting tabs. I get 9 of them a month. They are in individual tiny packages. Much like when you purchase headache pills from a gas station...




I checked the lable, on the walgreens bag and I looked at the individual package for the pill. ( they are identical, and I wasn't aware of that).




When i got home, and went to open one of them, that's when I noticed. They had given me the pill form and not the melting tab form. I can't take the pill form, because I puke with my migraines, so any pills or fluids that I take, I puke right back up.




I made sure to check everything with this prescription because of their errors in the past. But I've never gotten the pill form of this med, so I wasn't aware that they came packaged the same.....




try not to assume , it's really un-healthy ;)




Quoting Claire-Huxtable:




Every pharmacy I have used said you need to check your prescriptions before you leave.   If I couldn't pay for a replacement, I would certainly check.   Why didn't you?




Quoting hismommy2010:




 The government doesn't want to correct anything, this is their plan... To keep digging our debt hole deeper and deeper...




Perfect example. I have health insurance, that isn't cheap at all. I need this health insurance due to medical issues that I have...




I take 3 prescriptions each month. One of my prescriptions cost A little over $500.00 for one month. My co-pay for that prescription is $40, insurance covers the rest... Walgreens filled my script this month, with the wrong form of the medicine. I'm supposed to get the tabs that melt on your tounge, NOT the pill form, because I will puke other wise... I didn't notice the mistake until I got home..




So  I called walgreens wanting to return the wrong meds THEY made the mistake of giving to me, for my correct meds... They said by law, they can't take back the pills, ( ok, I kinda get that for health reasons) but they also said I would have to pay for the prescription all over again. I called my insurance company to inform them. Because if you think about it, my insurance is paying the biggest part of these pills. So walgreens just made $1,000.00 off of THEIR mistake! And billed me and my insurance again...




I asked the insurance company how is this right? How is this legal? She agreed that it's messed up, but told me it's just one of those loops holes that there is no fix for....




mean while health care and insurance fee's continue to go up, and shit like this isn't making it any better!








 




 



 



Lizardannie1966
by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Yup.

Years ago, I cooked this kind of stuff. It was easy, convenient and I was a younger Mom of very young kids.

I've especially become better at recipe hunting, healthier eating/cooking and learning to cook everything from scratch since I became a Diabetic nearly 6 years ago.

Quoting Woodbabe:

And those processed foods are full of MSG, put there simply to trigger your brain into wanting to eat more...also significantly contributing to the obesity epidemic!

Quoting Lizardannie1966:

They have. Plus the convenience (or so it's believed) has contributed to that dependence. A lot of Moms went back to work and would come home from a long 8 or 9 hour day and who wants to cook from scratch? Now, I am talking over the past few decades, too. Times could have very easily changed and workings Moms use the slow cookers, or whatever, to avoid the quicker processed garbage.

When I worked, I used my slow cooker A LOT. It was wonderful and I could still provide those home cooked, healthier foods for my family.

Truth--my son and my husband love Hamburger Helper and Dinty Moore canned beef stew. I don't buy it and every once in a while, they whine that they don't have it, but they prefer my "from scratch" more nutritious meals. Plus, it's just plain cheaper to cook from scratch.

Quoting Woodbabe:

People would starve to death because they've become so dependant on pre-made,  processed food that they probably don't know how to cook real food! 




adulation
by Bronze Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

that is more like how WIC works, and I liked WIC and wished that it was available past the 5 years.   It helped us get cheese, milk, eggs and beans when we could barely afford it.  well, beans are pretty cheap anyway, but the other stuff it really helped a lot. I only wished it helped with meat.  Even if it was just kind of a like a coupon towards meat and we'd pay the difference. 


Simmeringhearts
by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:50 PM

And this is how food stamps should be. Only pay for certain things and off brand only. Mrs. Obama wants to run around telling schools how to feed kids - she should not have any problem dictating food stamp recipients. And for those with allergies or other restrictions, they just deal with it and adjust.

Quoting adulation:

that is more like how WIC works, and I liked WIC and wished that it was available past the 5 years.   It helped us get cheese, milk, eggs and beans when we could barely afford it.  well, beans are pretty cheap anyway, but the other stuff it really helped a lot. I only wished it helped with meat.  Even if it was just kind of a like a coupon towards meat and we'd pay the difference. 



Athena410
by New Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I agree, but there are many issues that come into play with that. I was a stay at home mom until my husband decided responsibility was too much, i had to get on food stampls because i simply needed the help. I use my food stamps for healthy food, fresh veggies, even work really hard at budgeting so i can get a few select things from whole foods etc. But I was raised in a healthy family, we went to farmers markets, cooked almost daily. And the area where i live now i have access to all these things.  But what about those that dont. In poor areas where a whole foods or even a decent giants is too far away, or where there are no farmers markets.. These people pick convience, and like many have said, if a mom of two is working two jobs to help make ends meet, the tv dinners at the corner store a block from her home is more appealing. Im in Baltimore and they are constantly making strides to improve this, i.e  local farm trucks that bring fresh produce to inner city families and accept food stamps, cooking classes at libraries, even having groceries taken to a library, where you can pick your items up. Unfortunatley you do have some people that are simply lazy and not interested in using the program for what it is, people in need getting a leg up until they can stand on their own.

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM

 

Claire-Huxtable
by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM
No civil right is being violated if the government simply limits what it offers as food. I can't help that your understanding of things like that is so poor.


Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Ok, you obviously have a problem, and I'm not the only one in this thread that has noticed your attitude and stupidity. I'm done trying to explain basic civil rights to you. Of you need help, go read the food stamp act. Perhaps that might educate you a little bit. Have a nice day.



Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

The government moving to a more WIC type program like the OP suggested isn't telling people what to eat. It would be telling people what the government is willing to provide. Your food choices and likes and dislikes can be satisfied by purchasing those items the government no longer will provide.






Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

That's why they allow everyone to choose their own food. Not everyone eats the same foods. People are individuals and there's no way you can lump everyone together and say well you're only allowed to eat this. There's to many things to account for, so it's easier and more cost effective to let people choose their own. (Not talking about junk food, so don't get confused) They could however choose to regulate junk food and soda, but they don't.







Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

I have a complete understamding. The government gives food stamps. It doesn't have to provide a specific diet because you chose a religion.










Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Lmao and how you have no clue what this whole conversation has been about. Run along now newbie.











Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

You are the one talking about religion in a thread on limiting junk food, not me. People can receive what the government allows and buy everything else themselves regardless of their religion.














Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Where are you getting junk food from? I never said anything about junk food. Don't try and reply unless you read the entire conversation. Other wise you look stupid.















Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

What religion requires junk food?


















Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There are laws that have to be followed and you can not discriminate just because of religion. Do you know how many lawsuits would be filed if they tried to implement what you are saying? Go read the constitution. It's right there. Regardless of someone's finanical status or need, you can't discriminate against their religion.



















Quoting moneysaver6:

No.  Someone who is receiving charity doesn't get to dictate what that charity is.  It would be impossible for the government to be able to work around everyone's personal lifestyle choices...and it's not realistic to expect them to do so.

It would be reasonable to expect them to work around and provide alternate vouchers for allergies. 

Anything beyond that is the beggar (so to speak, of course) being a chooser.  If someone would like to adhere to specific dietary choices that have to do with their religion, culture, &/or personal lifestyle choices then they would have to go to their church, cultural center, or other private charities where they can request a different menu or alternate accomodations. 

Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

No, they would have to respect people's religion, and culture as well. Vegetarians, vegans, and people who only eat kosher.











Quoting moneysaver6:

Allergies are the only work-around necessary for someone who is so destitute that they cannot even provide their own food. Beyond that, they'll just need to adjust until they are able to feed themselves again.










Quoting KYLIEAARONMOMMY:

The United States is a very diverse country. Different cultures eat different types of food. Some don't eat meat, some only eat seafood. Some don't eat dairy. There are also millions of different types of allergies and medical conditions. That's a ton of special circumstances to adjust your food plan to account for. It costs money to create a computerized system that will know to give certain vouchers to certain families to account for their individual needs. People are individuals, not everyone can fit into a food plan like that. It is more cost effective to allow each family to chose their own food, then to try and keep track of it. Another problem, is the economy. Those food stamps provide revenue for the stores they buy them in. That revenue goes down, and they start laying people off. More lay offs, more people on fs. It makes more sense to just put restrictions on what they can buy. It will never happen, but it makes more sense.





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