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I am wondering why people say voting 3rd party is a wasted vote.  Thoughts? 

by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 2:05 PM
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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I wish someone could answer that ? There is a mom who posts here who is adamant that a vote for a third party is a vote for BO?

WHY?

How come it's not a vote for MR?

I'm with you- it's a vote for neither BO nor MR

Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 



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Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Fair enough I agree :)  I still couldn't vote for Libertarian for their stance on drugs.  I do want to say in regards to voting 3rd party, I can understand why people would do that.  Because, frankly I'm alittle tired of both parties myself, to be honest.  I'd LOVE to see a 3rd Party gaining in popularity :)  Like I've said, I'm not a register Dem. OR Rep.  I'm non-partisan.  But, I believe Obama just can't do what is needed to turn this Country around & put Americans back to work.  He's record as President has already shown that.  Time for a change.  Whether it's Romney or a 3rd Party.  :)

Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

Not trying to argue or debate, I just want to point out that they are not wanting a 'weak' military. They want our military to be used for what it is for, which is protecting our country, instead of what it is being used for, which is pretty much the World's police.  Look at the state of our homefront. Look at how the two parties have run things into the ground.  We can not even take care of our own, what right do we have to send our military to other countries to impose how our politicans think they should live?

We can still have a strong military, without having a President that uses it as an extention of his penis.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 



Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:12 PM
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Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

Because they have been brainwashed to believe it is true.

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Bigmetalchicken
by Silver Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:16 PM
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The way I see it, my vote for a third party person if me registering my discontent with the other 'valid' choices.  Obama is a moron. Romney is a moron, with more money and better hair. And I refuse to let those two morons keep me from performing my responsiblity as a citizen, just because the other guy may not win. That is the way I see it.  Nothing makes me angrier that people that say, "Both guys suck so I just won't vote."

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Fair enough I agree :)  I still couldn't vote for Libertarian for their stance on drugs.  I do want to say in regards to voting 3rd party, I can understand why people would do that.  Because, frankly I'm alittle tired of both parties myself, to be honest.  I'd LOVE to see a 3rd Party gaining in popularity :)  Like I've said, I'm not a register Dem. OR Rep.  I'm non-partisan.  But, I believe Obama just can't do what is needed to turn this Country around & put Americans back to work.  He's record as President has already shown that.  Time for a change.  Whether it's Romney or a 3rd Party.  :)

Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

Not trying to argue or debate, I just want to point out that they are not wanting a 'weak' military. They want our military to be used for what it is for, which is protecting our country, instead of what it is being used for, which is pretty much the World's police.  Look at the state of our homefront. Look at how the two parties have run things into the ground.  We can not even take care of our own, what right do we have to send our military to other countries to impose how our politicans think they should live?

We can still have a strong military, without having a President that uses it as an extention of his penis.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 




Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:16 PM


I am sure you are aware that "third" is not a party, right?

Have you checked out myriad third parties? Researched their platforms? 



Major political parties

Those parties that have "an independent state organization... in a majority of the states"[1] is listed as a major party. This does not include Independent Democrats or Independent Republicans.

Political PartyStates*Founded inFormer TitlesInternational Affiliations
Democratic Party50 + DC1828Alliance of Democrats
Republican Party50 + DC1854International Democrat Union
Libertarian Party45[2]1971Interlibertarians
Green Party32 + DC[2]1991Global Greens
Constitution Party37[2]1992U.S. Taxpayers' Party

[edit]Minor political parties

This does not include independents.


Political PartyFounded inFormer TitlesInternational Affiliations
America First Party2002
American Party*1969
American Populist Party2009
American Third Position Party2010
Americans Elect2011
America's Party2008America's Independent Party
Christian Liberty Party1996American Heritage Party
Citizens Party of the United States2004New American Independent Party
Communist Party of the United States of America1919International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
Freedom Socialist Party1966
Independence Party of America2007
Independent American Party1998
Jefferson Republican Party2006
Justice Party2011
Labor Party1996
Modern Whig Party2008
National Socialist Movement1974
Objectivist Party2008
Party for Socialism and Liberation2004
Peace and Freedom Party1967
Prohibition Party1869
Raza Unida Party1970
Reform Party of the United States of America1995
Socialist Action1983Fourth International
Socialist Alternative1986Committee for a Workers' International
Socialist Equality Party1966Workers LeagueInternational Committee of the Fourth International
Socialist Party USA1973
Socialist Workers Party1938Pathfinder tendency (unofficial)
United States Marijuana Party*2002
United States Pacifist Party1983
United States Pirate Party2006
Unity Party of America2004
Workers World Party
Quoting Naturewoman4:

Fair enough I agree :)  I still couldn't vote for Libertarian for their stance on drugs.  I do want to say in regards to voting 3rd party, I can understand why people would do that.  Because, frankly I'm alittle tired of both parties myself, to be honest.  I'd LOVE to see a 3rd Party gaining in popularity :)  Like I've said, I'm not a register Dem. OR Rep.  I'm non-partisan.  But, I believe Obama just can't do what is needed to turn this Country around & put Americans back to work.  He's record as President has already shown that.  Time for a change.  Whether it's Romney or a 3rd Party.  :)

Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

Not trying to argue or debate, I just want to point out that they are not wanting a 'weak' military. They want our military to be used for what it is for, which is protecting our country, instead of what it is being used for, which is pretty much the World's police.  Look at the state of our homefront. Look at how the two parties have run things into the ground.  We can not even take care of our own, what right do we have to send our military to other countries to impose how our politicans think they should live?

We can still have a strong military, without having a President that uses it as an extention of his penis.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 





Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
Me.and.Them
by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I don't think it is a wasted vote. If all the people who wanted to vote third party, but don't because they think no one else is, actually did vote that third party person might actually win. 

Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Ok, that's a fair enough question.  No, I do feel Independant voters SHOULD vote their conscience.  Everyone should.  I'm just saying that for me, I could never vote for 3rd Party because I want Obama out.  This Country hasn't had a 3rd party running, that would get the American votes that is needed to win an Election.  Sorry, maybe one day, but not presently.  But, I do see why it could be important for Americans that don't believe in either the Dem. or Rep. party to do so.  Then, perhaps Americans can clearly see they have a choice. 

I believe our Country is in a state of total collaspe, if nothing is done about it.  So, I'm basically reacting on that & who I feel is best to turn this around.  To get our Economy back on track & get Americans back to work.  Clearly there's ONLY 2 choices at this point.  I've seen what Obama has done or hasn't done, so I can't in my own conscience help re-elect him.  That's why I say FOR ME, that voting 3rd Party or not voting at all, gives my vote away.  It doesn't help Romney to get in & Obama out. 

Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


pamelax3
by Gold Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I do not believe it is a wasted vote. However with the current choices I will waste my vote. I will be voting 3rd party

radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:23 PM

 So what you're saying is that you don't believe in the democratic process? That only two corrupt politicians may run for President because they have the most money to spend on media coverage and campaigning?

Can you explain why you don't feel marijuana should be legalized?

You present a very weak argument against 3rd party voting.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


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Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I understand what you are saying & I can respect it. :)

Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

The way I see it, my vote for a third party person if me registering my discontent with the other 'valid' choices.  Obama is a moron. Romney is a moron, with more money and better hair. And I refuse to let those two morons keep me from performing my responsiblity as a citizen, just because the other guy may not win. That is the way I see it.  Nothing makes me angrier that people that say, "Both guys suck so I just won't vote."

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Fair enough I agree :)  I still couldn't vote for Libertarian for their stance on drugs.  I do want to say in regards to voting 3rd party, I can understand why people would do that.  Because, frankly I'm alittle tired of both parties myself, to be honest.  I'd LOVE to see a 3rd Party gaining in popularity :)  Like I've said, I'm not a register Dem. OR Rep.  I'm non-partisan.  But, I believe Obama just can't do what is needed to turn this Country around & put Americans back to work.  He's record as President has already shown that.  Time for a change.  Whether it's Romney or a 3rd Party.  :)

Quoting Bigmetalchicken:

Not trying to argue or debate, I just want to point out that they are not wanting a 'weak' military. They want our military to be used for what it is for, which is protecting our country, instead of what it is being used for, which is pretty much the World's police.  Look at the state of our homefront. Look at how the two parties have run things into the ground.  We can not even take care of our own, what right do we have to send our military to other countries to impose how our politicans think they should live?

We can still have a strong military, without having a President that uses it as an extention of his penis.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 

 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 


 



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