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I am wondering why people say voting 3rd party is a wasted vote.  Thoughts? 

by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 2:05 PM
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romalove
by Roma on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:30 AM

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM
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 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.


Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 


 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


 


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

eema.gray
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM

public radio international

based on wahat I'm hearing and seeing, there is A LOT of voter dissatisfaction; only this year, people are voting minor party rather than not voting at all.

Quoting Billiejeens:

I don't know what PRI is, but that guy is delusional, or he has some monetary interest in a third party and knows better, but hopes the less savy voters will believe him.

Quoting eema.gray:

I heard a guy on PRI yesterday saying that if people actually vote 3rd party this year, that the 2016 election could see a truly viable minor party candidate!  That's a lot of people thoroughly fed up with the RNC and DNC offerings!

Quoting katzmeow726:

Because the twho party system has led to hyper-affiliation with a specific party.  And now, when the leader of either party says that a 3rd party vote is wasted, those that support them will in turn believe that idea, thus continuing the 2 party cycle.  TOo manny people believe that a 3rd party vote is wasted, but this year 3rd parties are getting more attention.   I think if the number of votes grow each year, we'll actually have a shot at a viable 3rd party candidate within the next few elections.




"I am only one, but I am still one; I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do." ~~ Edward Everett Hale 1822-1909
Billiejeens
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

The Republican party lost your vote by not running a Democrat, I think that we simply have to go on with out you.

Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.


Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 


 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


 


Billiejeens
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Oh, thanks for the information.

You say "a lot" what type of numbers are you seeing?

Quoting eema.gray:

public radio international

based on wahat I'm hearing and seeing, there is A LOT of voter dissatisfaction; only this year, people are voting minor party rather than not voting at all.

Quoting Billiejeens:

I don't know what PRI is, but that guy is delusional, or he has some monetary interest in a third party and knows better, but hopes the less savy voters will believe him.

Quoting eema.gray:

I heard a guy on PRI yesterday saying that if people actually vote 3rd party this year, that the 2016 election could see a truly viable minor party candidate!  That's a lot of people thoroughly fed up with the RNC and DNC offerings!

Quoting katzmeow726:

Because the twho party system has led to hyper-affiliation with a specific party.  And now, when the leader of either party says that a 3rd party vote is wasted, those that support them will in turn believe that idea, thus continuing the 2 party cycle.  TOo manny people believe that a 3rd party vote is wasted, but this year 3rd parties are getting more attention.   I think if the number of votes grow each year, we'll actually have a shot at a viable 3rd party candidate within the next few elections.

 

 

 


eema.gray
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM
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And that's the whole fricking point.  The RNC and DNC have become too big and too broad to cover everyone in this country.  A lot of voters are waking up and realizing that there are other parties available that more closely suit their ideas and beliefs.

Quoting Billiejeens:

The Republican party lost your vote by not running a Democrat, I think that we simply have to go on with out you.

Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.



"I am only one, but I am still one; I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do." ~~ Edward Everett Hale 1822-1909
radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM

 ???

I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. Not to say I never will, if the Democratic Party puts forth someone I like...

Quoting Billiejeens:

The Republican party lost your vote by not running a Democrat, I think that we simply have to go on with out you.

Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.


Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 


 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


 

 

 


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

Billiejeens
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM

 Gary Johnson  and  Ron Paul are Republicans in Name only. and Ron Paul is a complete fraud, so it makes me wonder.

Quoting radioheid:

 ???

I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. Not to say I never will, if the Democratic Party puts forth someone I like...

Quoting Billiejeens:

The Republican party lost your vote by not running a Democrat, I think that we simply have to go on with out you.

Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.


Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 


 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


 

 

 


Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM
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I wonder why some people are offended that others identify with parties other than the Rs or Ds. WHY does that bother some people?

I wonder why some can not see that the Rs and Ds are one and the same, but also understand that everyone has the right to believe and support whatever party they like. Live and let live.

eema.gray
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I wonder too.  I've run into this defensiveness a couple times in actual, face to face conversations recently.   And then they try their damnest to convince me that my vote for Johnson will be wasted and that I really, really need to vote  for their candidate, which ever candidate that is.

Quoting Sisteract:

I wonder why some people are offended that others identify with parties other than the Rs or Ds. WHY does that bother some people?

I wonder why some can not see that the Rs and Ds are one and the same, but also understand that everyone has the right to believe and support whatever party they like. Live and let live.


Are you a political "independent?"  Tired of feeling like you only have Democrats or Republicans to choose from?  Well, there are many small parties active all across the United States.  Learn more at Third Party Americans.


http://www.cafemom.com/group/109790

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