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I am wondering why people say voting 3rd party is a wasted vote.  Thoughts? 

by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 2:05 PM
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radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM

 Oh what the fuck. They are Libertarians, fiscal conservatives who enjoyed high popularity among their constituents. They ran as Republicans because "Libertarian" has a stigma attached to it.

Quoting Billiejeens:

 Gary Johnson  and  Ron Paul are Republicans in Name only. and Ron Paul is a complete fraud, so it makes me wonder.

Quoting radioheid:

 ???

I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. Not to say I never will, if the Democratic Party puts forth someone I like...

Quoting Billiejeens:

The Republican party lost your vote by not running a Democrat, I think that we simply have to go on with out you.

Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.

If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.

I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.

Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.


Quoting eema.gray:

So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?

Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 


 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 

 


 

 

 

 

 


"Roger that. Over."

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brandydesiree
by Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM
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Romney wasn't my first choice either, and I agree with Johnson on %75 of issues according to isidewith.com. however, I agree with Romney on 88% of issues...even though he wasn't my first choice.

That being said....I can't, I just simply can't give my vote to a 3rd party candidate, when the race is so tight. Jesus Christ himself would have to come down from heaven and tell me to vote for Obama, and still, I'd have to really think about whether or not I'd prefer to be in hell.

So, even though I think it stinks that we've only got two realistic options, in an election like this, with so much at stake, I got to go with Romney.


Quoting radioheid:

 I am a registered Republican and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I would go to hell before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. It isn't cut-and-dry. Many of us Johnson supporters are registered with one of the two major parties, but that doesn't mean we automatically support those parties' candidates.


If the Republican Party had put Ron Paul on the ballot, I would be voting Republican. If they had put Jon Huntsman on the ballot, there's a good chance I'd vote Republican. But the two main choices in the Republican primary---Romney and Santorum---HELL NO. It isn't about the *party*, it is about the *candidate*.


I'm taking NOTHING from Romney. The GOP lost my vote by running him.


Quoting brandydesiree:

I don't know much about stein, but I think that those who vote for johnson are taking the vote away from Romney, hense, helping Obama. 3rd parties split on side or the other. Look at Ralph Nader...Al Gore could've won in 2000 if it weren't for Ralph Nader spliting the vote.



Quoting eema.gray:


So basically, you feel that all independant voters should squelsh their consciences to vote out a president you don't like?


Could you explain how a vote for Johnson or Stein is actually a vote for Obama?  Because the way I understand math, a vote for Johnson or Stein is counted for Johnson or Stein, not added to Obama's total.



Quoting Naturewoman4:


I do feel personally that it is a wasted vote & just as bad as not voting at all.  But, of course, I'm bias because I want Obama out.  But, it could work both for or against Romney OR Obama.  I could never vote for any 3rd party that is Libertarian.  I could never vote for Ron Paul, Gary Johnson because they believe in legalizing of all drugs.  I also, can't vote for Libertarian for example, because their stance is having a 'weak' Military, that I'm against.  I feel we ALWAYS need to have a strong military, doesn't mean that we should involved ourselves in wars, just to be strong militarily. 



 Even if they just want 'pot' legalize I still can't go along with that.  Another 3rd party, yes I could go along with that.  I'm a registered non-partisan.  So, I can vote for whomever that is running, no matter what they're party is.  That I feel would be best to run our Country & has the best interests for our Country. 


 



 


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Elkamelka
by Silver Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 8:37 PM

This is what I am hoping will happen.  More options as opposed to the lesser of two evils. 

Quoting katzmeow726:

Because the twho party system has led to hyper-affiliation with a specific party.  And now, when the leader of either party says that a 3rd party vote is wasted, those that support them will in turn believe that idea, thus continuing the 2 party cycle.  TOo manny people believe that a 3rd party vote is wasted, but this year 3rd parties are getting more attention.   I think if the number of votes grow each year, we'll actually have a shot at a viable 3rd party candidate within the next few elections.

 

Elkamelka
by Silver Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 8:40 PM
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This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 

Billiejeens
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 7:39 AM

The only message that you send is - Hey you all I am not involved in the election process.

No candidate is ever going to listen to your concerns if you are not a voter.

Quoting Elkamelka:

This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 


eema.gray
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 10:17 AM
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If I go to the polls and place a vote, perhaps "nobody" listens.  But if 10 or 15 percent of the voters ALSO place votes with minor parties, the minor party candidate may still not win but the major parties will take a very serious look at what's going on in the fringes.  I don't expect to effect major change this election cycle.  I do expect to effect significant change over the next 3 or 4 election cycles.  ANd going and casting my votes for minor parties is a HECK of a lot better than never going to the polls at all!

Quoting Billiejeens:

The only message that you send is - Hey you all I am not involved in the election process.

No candidate is ever going to listen to your concerns if you are not a voter.

Quoting Elkamelka:

This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 



"I am only one, but I am still one; I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do." ~~ Edward Everett Hale 1822-1909
Elkamelka
by Silver Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 10:29 AM

But I am voting; it might just be for someone other than Obama or Romney. 

Quoting Billiejeens:

The only message that you send is - Hey you all I am not involved in the election process.

No candidate is ever going to listen to your concerns if you are not a voter.

Quoting Elkamelka:

This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 

 

 

Billiejeens
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM

That is not voting, that is pretend voting.

Quoting Elkamelka:

But I am voting; it might just be for someone other than Obama or Romney. 

Quoting Billiejeens:

The only message that you send is - Hey you all I am not involved in the election process.

No candidate is ever going to listen to your concerns if you are not a voter.

Quoting Elkamelka:

This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 

 

 


Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Many disagree with you BJ et al

radioheid
by Libertarian on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM
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 "Pretend voting" is what we did in high school mock elections. An American citizen casting a ballot, even if for Santa Claus, is not "pretend voting".

Quoting Billiejeens:

That is not voting, that is pretend voting.

Quoting Elkamelka:

But I am voting; it might just be for someone other than Obama or Romney. 

Quoting Billiejeens:

The only message that you send is - Hey you all I am not involved in the election process.

No candidate is ever going to listen to your concerns if you are not a voter.

Quoting Elkamelka:

This is exactly how I feel and have felt in the past.  Maybe it's time to send a message. 

Quoting romalove:

 I don't know why people think those who vote third party would otherwise vote Romney.

I can't stand either of the two major party candidates and if I didn't have another choice might vote for neither. 

My vote says, I prefer this guy, and it also tells the other candidates/parties "you did not earn my vote.  I am a voter and want to vote but you didn't give me a viable choice".

 

 

 

 

 


"Roger that. Over."

R   A   D    I    O    H    E    I    D

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