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Wisconsin Lawmaker Claims ‘Some Girls Rape Easy’

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A Wisconsin state lawmaker endorsed by Paul Ryan has come under criticism for suggesting that “some girls rape easy.” While discussing a case in which “a 17-year-old high school senior was charged with sexual assault for having sex with an underage girl in the school’s band room,” State Rep. Roger Rivard (R) told the Chetek Alert newspaper in December that his father taught him that some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant. He is now claiming that those remarks were taken out of context and has issued a statement condemning sexual violence:

On Wednesday, Rivard told the Journal Sentinel the article did not provide full context of his comments and that his father’s exact words had been slightly different from how they appeared in the Chetek Alert.

He told the Journal Sentinel that his father had advised him not to have premarital sex, and he took that seriously.

“He also told me one thing, ‘If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry,’ ” Rivard said. “Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she’s not going to say, ‘Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.’ All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she’s underage. And he just said, ‘Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,’ he said, ‘they rape so easy.’

“What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, ‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’ So the way he said it was, ‘Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.’

“So it’s been kind of taken out of context.”

Ryan endorsed Rivard on August 9, just two days before he was selected to be Mitt Romney’s running mate. “Roger needs to be reaffirmed to get this job done and fix the State of Wisconsin,” Ryan said.


http://m.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html
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by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 6:33 AM
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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM
I'm glad you understand. As a victim and a (ret) cop.

It's not something that I would've ever swept under the rug.
Quoting cjsbmom:

Thanks, but that's not necessary. I get why this is a hot button issue for you. :)

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Then I apologize to you.





Quoting cjsbmom:

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I quoted GL and commented on what she said.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Now YOU are taking what I said out of context. Did I EVER say that's the way they are treated?

We start with the concept that all victims are telling the truth. That doesn't mean that during the course of an interview and further investigation the story unfolds into something else or the complaint is indeed founded.

Police Officers, detectives etcetera cannot afford to take a person's word "at face value". We would not be doing our jobs correctly, or thoroughly - regardless of crime.

Rape victims and children are always referred to The Special Victims Unit. They specialize in conducting interviews in these types of cases. What they determine us where the investigation leads.

Don't put words in my mouth.
Quoting cjsbmom:

This is exactly why most women don't even bother to report they've been raped. Why bother, when you are going to be criminalized and made to feel like you're lying?

Quoting GLWerth:

So, do you begin with the assumption that the woman is lying?


I ask because that seems to be the direction we're headed as a society. Women are always lying about rape....or so we're told, poor, poor men NEVER rape, they are just misunderstood, it was totally consensual, she likes it rough, etc..


What this man said was wrong and shows his attitude toward women in general.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant"

"�If you�re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.�"

Sad to say, but I've encountered these types of scenarios many times during the course of my police work. Girls who have alleged rape only to be found out that it wasn't. Even women who have cheated on their husbands or boyfriends have used similar lines.

So yes, I can see how the quote was taken out of context. We shouldn't be surprised however, because this is what the media does.





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cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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There are many law enforcement agents out there who go the extra mile and I am grateful for them. But sadly, there also are some places where women just don't report rapes because they aren't taken seriously. It's sad that even happens at all.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

I'm glad you understand. I'm a victim and a (ret) cop.

It's not something that I would've ever swept under the rug.


Quoting cjsbmom:

Thanks, but that's not necessary. I get why this is a hot button issue for you. :)

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Then I apologize to you.



Quoting cjsbmom:

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I quoted GL and commented on what she said.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Now YOU are taking what I said out of context. Did I EVER say that's the way they are treated?

We start with the concept that all victims are telling the truth. That doesn't mean that during the course of an interview and further investigation the story unfolds into something else or the complaint is indeed founded.

Police Officers, detectives etcetera cannot afford to take a person's word "at face value". We would not be doing our jobs correctly, or thoroughly - regardless of crime.

Rape victims and children are always referred to The Special Victims Unit. They specialize in conducting interviews in these types of cases. What they determine us where the investigation leads.

Don't put words in my mouth.
Quoting cjsbmom:

This is exactly why most women don't even bother to report they've been raped. Why bother, when you are going to be criminalized and made to feel like you're lying?

Quoting GLWerth:

So, do you begin with the assumption that the woman is lying?


I ask because that seems to be the direction we're headed as a society. Women are always lying about rape....or so we're told, poor, poor men NEVER rape, they are just misunderstood, it was totally consensual, she likes it rough, etc..


What this man said was wrong and shows his attitude toward women in general.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant"

"‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’"

Sad to say, but I've encountered these types of scenarios many times during the course of my police work. Girls who have alleged rape only to be found out that it wasn't. Even women who have cheated on their husbands or boyfriends have used similar lines.

So yes, I can see how the quote was taken out of context. We shouldn't be surprised however, because this is what the media does.







JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM
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I can agree with you on that.

Quoting mikiemom:

I believe we need to do something to get rid of these imbicils who seem to keep multiplying


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

....." Rapists and people who think girls rape easy - yes ma'am I am."

If that's what you truly believe that it's okay to murder politicians and people because they are "ignorant fucks", then there is something seriously wrong with you.



Quoting mikiemom:


Rapists and people who think girls rape easy - yes ma'am I am. We need to cull the herd a bit and get rid of some of these idiots who think raping a woman is ok. OH and I do believe that law enforcement starts out looking for ways out of doing their job IE prosecuting rapists. Rape is not considered a real crime by many in law enforcement - unless it happens to a man that is.



Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

So you advocate for shooting and murdering people now?



Quoting mikiemom:



I swear to god all of these ignorant fucks need to be taken out back and shot straight through groin and then head. sickening.



 



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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Agreed.

Quoting cjsbmom:

There are many law enforcement agents out there who go the extra mile and I am grateful for them. But sadly, there also are some places where women just don't report rapes because they aren't taken seriously. It's sad that even happens at all.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

I'm glad you understand. I'm a victim and a (ret) cop.



It's not something that I would've ever swept under the rug.




Quoting cjsbmom:

Thanks, but that's not necessary. I get why this is a hot button issue for you. :)

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Then I apologize to you.





Quoting cjsbmom:

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I quoted GL and commented on what she said.

Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

Now YOU are taking what I said out of context. Did I EVER say that's the way they are treated?

We start with the concept that all victims are telling the truth. That doesn't mean that during the course of an interview and further investigation the story unfolds into something else or the complaint is indeed founded.

Police Officers, detectives etcetera cannot afford to take a person's word "at face value". We would not be doing our jobs correctly, or thoroughly - regardless of crime.

Rape victims and children are always referred to The Special Victims Unit. They specialize in conducting interviews in these types of cases. What they determine us where the investigation leads.

Don't put words in my mouth.
Quoting cjsbmom:

This is exactly why most women don't even bother to report they've been raped. Why bother, when you are going to be criminalized and made to feel like you're lying?

Quoting GLWerth:

So, do you begin with the assumption that the woman is lying?


I ask because that seems to be the direction we're headed as a society. Women are always lying about rape....or so we're told, poor, poor men NEVER rape, they are just misunderstood, it was totally consensual, she likes it rough, etc..


What this man said was wrong and shows his attitude toward women in general.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"some girls will portray a sexual encounter as rape if they become pregnant"

"‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’"

Sad to say, but I've encountered these types of scenarios many times during the course of my police work. Girls who have alleged rape only to be found out that it wasn't. Even women who have cheated on their husbands or boyfriends have used similar lines.

So yes, I can see how the quote was taken out of context. We shouldn't be surprised however, because this is what the media does.






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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM
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I clearly can not understand why women don't see the need to continue to stand up for their rights. This is not about abortion as one lady tried to make it, it is about women having the right to their own lives and to do with their own bodies as they wish. For the life of me I can't understand why some women want to go back to the 1950's where women were deemed second class citizen. I am saying we need to ensure our voices are heard so the the christian right in this country do not get their way and force women out of the workplace.

furbabymum
by Gold Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

 Some people are stupid.

shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM
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Some girls rape easy....

I suppose in one sense he is "right" since they're underage, cannot consent, thereby making it rape automatically. Unfortunately, that wasn't what he was getting at, and no, it wasn't taken out of context.

Its not surprising women under-report incidences of rape.
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jessilin0113
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM
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Wow, a republican male said something ignorant about women. Color me shocked.
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SLTmom
by Silver Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Yes, but that's not a distinction being discussed in the quote, either in its full "context", or the snippet.



Quoting eema.gray:


"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief"  Gerry Spence

thecoffeefairy
by Bronze Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM
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I agree. When we teach girls personal responsibility, birth control, ect we won't have young ladies crying wolf if they get caught. For far too long ladies had to play coy, act chaste when they were horny little teenagers too. It's sending them messages to be deceitful and manipulative. I just don't understand why anyone would advocate that.


Quoting Woodbabe:

Considering the context and time frame this was said, it makes more sense than if it was offered as advice today. Back then it wasn't acceptable for a young lady to want sex so of course she'd have to lie to cover her indiscretion but in today's world that taboo isn't quite as strong. 


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