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A letter to the editor in today’s Rapid City Journal:

Life in a pre-SCHIP home taught lessons

Life in a pre-SCHIP home taught lessons We need to look at life before SCHIP. I remember a lady in the 1930’s who lost her husband at a young age, leaving her with eight children, the oldest 12. She lived in a small town in a small house. She had no car and worked in grocery stores, the courthouse and in the local bank (years later) until her death.

The mother was too proud to accept commodities. She couldn’t afford health insurance for herself or children and the family had a radio and telephone and running water (you ran out to get it and ran in with it). They had an outside toilet (a 2-holer). There were no school lunch programs. Breakfast was usually dry cereal and lunch was “leftovers” from the previous evening meal. Remarkably, all eight children attended college, the three boys under the GI bill. The mother was still working beyond age 65, so drew no Social Security. How do I know all this? She was my mother. I learned from her, becoming a single parent with three small children (oldest was five). We had no health insurance for the children. SCHIP is unearned welfare — called socialism.

DEAN VANCE
Spearfish

There is an irreplaceable dignity in doing things for your self, even in poverty. Having grown up poor, I know this.

Social welfare programs like SCHIP rob people of this dignity, and when they are extended to people making more than $80,0000 a year, it moves into the realm of the grossly absurd.

by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 12:27 AM
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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Oct. 14, 2012 at 4:28 AM

 sorry...I didnt realise it was so easy being poor...Im in Australia ya know.  Our poor are too delicate :-)

Quoting Arroree:

Yeah Turtle, what were you thinking? You're not entitled to not starve to death in the richest country in the world. Get it straight....

Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Wow wasn't going racial, I was pointing out excuses for this bullshit entitlement crap. America is free, the only thing we are entitled to is the persuit of happiness


Quoting turtle68:

It was hard work whipping those slaves into action or shooting those damn pesky natives...real hard work.


Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Partly true. Some poor people are poor because of lazinessor the believe they are owed something because their great great grandfather was a slave or their tribe was slaughtered or their European ancestors were treated equalled to dogs or some shit like that. One nobody owes you nothing, no one is entitled to shit, you get what you work your ass off for! My husband grew up extremely poor but he worked hard strived for more and he got there after many ups and down, but HE did it. Now to those who are blessed with much, much is expected. BUT that doesn't mean those who are blessed with much needs to give away their hard earned money to a bunch of no working, lazy ass Obama loving bums!!!


 

turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Oct. 14, 2012 at 4:29 AM

 My grandmother gave birth to my father in a gum field...picked him up and continued working.

....me I would of died LOL

MomGoneGreen470
by on Oct. 14, 2012 at 4:35 AM
I call BULLSHIT!!!!! I am a born and raised Apache from the reservation. So with your point of view I should get a boatload of free government crap. NO! THAT IS NOT RIGHT!! Should I also say get the fuck out of my country? It's your type of thinking that will keep this oppression around for centuries to come.


Quoting turtle68:

 You took it there.  How and why do you think these people come to these excuses?....of course its not because they have been oppressed for centuries...and still are. 


But of course its only because theyre lazy....riiight


Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Wow wasn't going racial, I was pointing out excuses for this bullshit entitlement crap. America is free, the only thing we are entitled to is the persuit of happiness



Quoting turtle68:


It was hard work whipping those slaves into action or shooting those damn pesky natives...real hard work.



Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Partly true. Some poor people are poor because of lazinessor the believe they are owed something because their great great grandfather was a slave or their tribe was slaughtered or their European ancestors were treated equalled to dogs or some shit like that. One nobody owes you nothing, no one is entitled to shit, you get what you work your ass off for! My husband grew up extremely poor but he worked hard strived for more and he got there after many ups and down, but HE did it. Now to those who are blessed with much, much is expected. BUT that doesn't mean those who are blessed with much needs to give away their hard earned money to a bunch of no working, lazy ass Obama loving bums!!!




Quoting turtle68:



 




Quoting AdrianneHill:

People literally starved to death. It was also legal to sell tour kids as unpaid labor so that happened allot. Same idea then as is now: if those poverty stricken losers weren't bad people, God wouldn't have let them get so poor in the first place. This has to be their own fault. Their plight is actually a character flaw that needs to be shamed and beaten out of them so they don't try to act like their betters and can pull them up by the provided bootstraps."

I love America and her empathy



 LMAO.




 



 


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turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Oct. 14, 2012 at 5:09 AM

 LOL@ I call BULLSHIT!  BULLSHIT I SAY IN CAPS!!!!! hahahahaha funny.

So youre one of "those" natives...the type that can put the rest down because they married a poor man who made it. 

good for you...pat yourself on your back :-)

Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

I call BULLSHIT!!!!! I am a born and raised Apache from the reservation. So with your point of view I should get a boatload of free government crap. NO! THAT IS NOT RIGHT!! Should I also say get the fuck out of my country? It's your type of thinking that will keep this oppression around for centuries to come.


Quoting turtle68:

 You took it there.  How and why do you think these people come to these excuses?....of course its not because they have been oppressed for centuries...and still are. 


But of course its only because theyre lazy....riiight


Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Wow wasn't going racial, I was pointing out excuses for this bullshit entitlement crap. America is free, the only thing we are entitled to is the persuit of happiness



Quoting turtle68:


It was hard work whipping those slaves into action or shooting those damn pesky natives...real hard work.



Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Partly true. Some poor people are poor because of lazinessor the believe they are owed something because their great great grandfather was a slave or their tribe was slaughtered or their European ancestors were treated equalled to dogs or some shit like that. One nobody owes you nothing, no one is entitled to shit, you get what you work your ass off for! My husband grew up extremely poor but he worked hard strived for more and he got there after many ups and down, but HE did it. Now to those who are blessed with much, much is expected. BUT that doesn't mean those who are blessed with much needs to give away their hard earned money to a bunch of no working, lazy ass Obama loving bums!!!




Quoting turtle68:



 




Quoting AdrianneHill:

People literally starved to death. It was also legal to sell tour kids as unpaid labor so that happened allot. Same idea then as is now: if those poverty stricken losers weren't bad people, God wouldn't have let them get so poor in the first place. This has to be their own fault. Their plight is actually a character flaw that needs to be shamed and beaten out of them so they don't try to act like their betters and can pull them up by the provided bootstraps."

I love America and her empathy



 LMAO.




 



 


 

MomGoneGreen470
by on Oct. 14, 2012 at 5:22 AM
I don't put down anyone except for the freeloaders. Man do you listen or do you try to hear. Hear me now...life is messy, sometimes a helping hand is needed, but freeloading living off welfare for the 18 years one could push out kids (not talking women only so don't get all offended), men not marrying there women so they can get more assistance is a scam, fraud and is a burden on the honest hard working folks. You sound like a free loader. I know a woman who lost her husband, had 4 kids, no education. She said she could hwy food stamps and everything or she could go to college. She went to college, she is now a regional manager for a restaurant chain. You see, everyone has choices. My husband became disabled to the point no one would hire him. Called him a walking workmans comp case waiting to happen. You know what he did? He started a work from business and is doing very well. HARWORK, DETERMINATION, HARDWORK


Quoting turtle68:

 LOL@ I call BULLSHIT!  BULLSHIT I SAY IN CAPS!!!!! hahahahaha funny.


So youre one of "those" natives...the type that can put the rest down because they married a poor man who made it. 


good for you...pat yourself on your back :-)


Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

I call BULLSHIT!!!!! I am a born and raised Apache from the reservation. So with your point of view I should get a boatload of free government crap. NO! THAT IS NOT RIGHT!! Should I also say get the fuck out of my country? It's your type of thinking that will keep this oppression around for centuries to come.



Quoting turtle68:


 You took it there.  How and why do you think these people come to these excuses?....of course its not because they have been oppressed for centuries...and still are. 



But of course its only because theyre lazy....riiight



Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Wow wasn't going racial, I was pointing out excuses for this bullshit entitlement crap. America is free, the only thing we are entitled to is the persuit of happiness




Quoting turtle68:



It was hard work whipping those slaves into action or shooting those damn pesky natives...real hard work.




Quoting MomGoneGreen470:

Partly true. Some poor people are poor because of lazinessor the believe they are owed something because their great great grandfather was a slave or their tribe was slaughtered or their European ancestors were treated equalled to dogs or some shit like that. One nobody owes you nothing, no one is entitled to shit, you get what you work your ass off for! My husband grew up extremely poor but he worked hard strived for more and he got there after many ups and down, but HE did it. Now to those who are blessed with much, much is expected. BUT that doesn't mean those who are blessed with much needs to give away their hard earned money to a bunch of no working, lazy ass Obama loving bums!!!





Quoting turtle68:




 





Quoting AdrianneHill:

People literally starved to death. It was also legal to sell tour kids as unpaid labor so that happened allot. Same idea then as is now: if those poverty stricken losers weren't bad people, God wouldn't have let them get so poor in the first place. This has to be their own fault. Their plight is actually a character flaw that needs to be shamed and beaten out of them so they don't try to act like their betters and can pull them up by the provided bootstraps."

I love America and her empathy




 LMAO.





 




 



 


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Quatrekins
by on Oct. 14, 2012 at 7:43 AM
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The laughable part about this account is that there were any leftovers for her to serve for lunch the next day.

Quatrekins
by on Oct. 14, 2012 at 7:47 AM
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"Honey, look what I dropped in the gum field today!" "Well, if he didn't help you work the field, he doesn't get to sit at the table!"

Quoting turtle68:

 My grandmother gave birth to my father in a gum field...picked him up and continued working.

....me I would of died LOL


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survivorinohio
by René on Oct. 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM
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Quoting turtle68:

 My grandmother gave birth to my father in a gum field...picked him up and continued working.

....me I would of died LOL

I know right?  I think I really would have died, I was sectioned.

How far you go in life depends on your being: tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of both the weak and strong.  Because someday in life you would have been one or all of these.  GeorgeWashingtonCarver


AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Oct. 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM
She was a lot of fun in her little "I don't care at all what you think" attitude. She was quite spare with her affection but she had an emotionally anorexic family life growing up as is the English way. Her family probably talked about how wacky and emotional she was after marrying that crazy American man. He was thirty six andshe was twenty two. I can't imagine what either of them thought they were doing by getting married and it was quite tempestuous. To use an inadequate euphemism. I've wondered if she was pregnant when they got married but she was still of an age where you didn't your parents and your kids have no right to ask you.
I wonder if my mother ever got the nerve up to ask. I wonder what my grandmother hit her I'm the back of the head with. Nahh, my mother was far too much of a coward to ask such a direct question of an adult relative. She would have said she was to respectful but for her, it's the same thing. She made the mistake of raising me to ask questions if I didn't understand stuff or agree with reasoning.
Poor mom. She never thought of all the Sunday school and regular school trouble she was bringing into the world by that life lesson. She says she appreciates my spirit so that makes it ok.


Quoting mehamil1:

I would love her to death. 


Quoting AdrianneHill:

That's awesome.

I know both of them would hate hearing this but she sounds like my English grandmother. I know the two are supposed to be mortal enemies but that whole stiff upper lip and being as hard as a length of teak.



Quick example: Grandmother was a war bride and married my gf in England and had one kid there before he rotated back to the us. She went from an upper middle class existence to a shack in the South Carolina blue ridge where outhouses were still the mainstay and the wealthier family members had indoor running water instead of an outdoor pump.

I was about thirteen when my grandfather died and he had been sick for months in the VA hospital. A couple of weeks after it happened, my mother told me she got an odd call from grandmother about granddaddy. She said she had woken in the middle of the night to the found of someone moving around in the kitchen. After a few seconds, she said age could hear my grandfather calling her name in irritation likehe couldn't find his fave spoon or something.

I asked her what was going on when she went in the kitchen and she looked at me like I'd asked her for a shaved weasel. She said "Why in the world would I have gone in the kitchen?"

"Well, Granddaddy was calling you, maybe he had something important to tell you or show you. I'd have to go investigate just in case."

She literally made a hrrumph noise and snickered when I said that. I asked what she did do about the dead man calling her name in the kitchen.

She said that she tried to ignore it at first and go back to sleep but the chairs kept moving and squeaking as well as his voice not letting her sleep. She said she finally got so sick of it that she leaned out of the bed and pushed open the bedroom for. She spoke loudly toward the kitchen "Now, Moody, you're dead. I'm not getting up to help you find something because you aren't supposed to be here. I love you, Now goodnight and let me sleep!"



They was the last time he bothered her as far as I know and the entire episode was more humorous to her than frightening or even creepy. She was just a tough broad as my father would say, which was the highest compliment paid to any woman by my dad's side of the family. Most men don't love and fear their mothers in law like my dad did but he loved her and cried as much at her funeral as he did for his own mother's.

But anyway, those north sea bitches are crazy and hardcore, huh?!




Quoting mehamil1:

I loved my mothers response: "of course I know it would be easier and faster to cut them into chunks. However, a little toil and suffering is good for the soul". 

*facepalm* 

She takes Catholicism and her Irish stubborness to a whole other level. 


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All4Leyna
by New Member on Dec. 2, 2012 at 11:42 PM

You mean in the Western world? That is difficult to answer, because even in ancient times, welfare existed. I think this is an interesting question, but one that should be answered in scholarly way. I'd be interested what anthropologists, historians, or sociologists would have to say about societies without government assistance, and whether they were capitalists, socialists, a democracy, and so on, and how it worked as a system.

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