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 Although I do think the VP debate was very close to a draw, much of that is Biden's demeanor, which IMO really damaged his credibility.  The GOP wasted no time highlighting it:

Now of course Biden was doing his "that's malarky stuff" laugh as a way to laugh off Ryan, but I found it grating and unbecoming after the first time.  The thought that comes to me is, "This is a seasoned, mature politician with much more years under his belt, this is the Vice President.  Is this really how he presents himself after all that?"  While Ryan was articulate, he lacked gravitas and a bold manner, yet that is something he can grow into as a VP. 

If Biden had reflected the respect due to his office, he would have won, IMO.  Yet his manner, something we have little to no reason to expect him to change, was found wanting.

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by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 7:57 AM
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candlegal
by Judy on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:39 AM

Actually you have the rule wrong, it is IOKIYAL

Quoting Friday:


Quoting brookiecookie87:

The same way it is extremely telling that when Mitt Romney got the last word in every time. When he lied nearly the whole debate. Flipped Flopped on the parts he wasn't lying on. And Conservative/Republicans declare him the winner for being Aggressive.

Biden shows a little of the same aggression and suddenly it is a bad behavior and he shouldn't have done it.

Extremely telling.

Quoting candlegal:

You know it is kind of telling that so many on the left used to talk about how they hated the smirk on President Bush's face, but seem to find it okay on Obama and Biden.  Bush barely had a smirk and Obama almost always has one.


Quoting Carpy:

I think his smirking and smiling at inappropiate times was unbecoming and appears to have done more harm than good.  Of course the Obama devotees loved it, but the undecideds apparently, mostly did not.



You know the rules, IOKIYAR


Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM

 Cutting taxes allows people to spend money on other things that are of greater economic benefit to them.  That can create demand in some areas, spur economic growth and in turn spur job creation onward.

As far as military spending, we must have an adequately-funded military to be safe.  As world populations grow, we can reasonably say that so do security risks.  National security is the first job of the federal government. Remember the market losses after 9/11?  The attack was targeted to not only kill Americans, but to attack the economy and the government.  National security and economic health are intertwined. 

Whar ARE you talking about regarding SSI and PA?  IF you were listening to Ryan, he said nothing about cutting PA or SSI.  Sounds like you've been listening to scare tactics. 

And of course plans have already been given, and they are meaningful:  Romney wants to open up US energy production to spur on manufacturing jobs, to improve federal re-training programs, to improve education choice for children, to help small businesses grow, and to protect American intellectual property.  Those can all help with jobs, and Romney has time and time again shown how his plan contrasts with Obama's to become more effective, smarter, and better for American jobs.

Quoting viv212:

Exactly. How is cutting taxes, yet giving more to military, cutting PBS, supporting letting GM go bankrupt, over turning Roe vs Wade, and cutting people's income on SSI and PA helping with job growth? The very little plan that they can come up with is showing how they are cutting jobs. Yet all the R's talk about is how their plan will help job growth. AGAIN, how???????????? Instead of giving us a plan on what you will cut, give us a plan on how you will make up for these lost jobs, plus add more???!

Quoting Sisteract:

You'd think someone with such wonderful experience could devise a solid, mathematically viable economic plan, but so far he has been unable to create such a plan.

Quoting LucyMom08:

How?



Quoting Meadowchik:

I'll go with the guy who has experience cutting loopholes, balancing budgets, helping businesses succeed, and getting work done by working intensely with both parties.



The situation is bad, no matter what.  Obama is making it worse, Romney will do better.



Quoting Sisteract:



Honey one is bad and the other is worse.



I thought the GOP would cultivate a better candidate with a real plan... guess the complaining for 3 years distracted from that goal.



They did not.



HOW could you endorse that approach-"he did it too"?



What we know of MR's plan- is eerily similar to Ws- how did that work for America?



Quoting Meadowchik:



And Obama's plan is mathematically impossible at current rates of growth.  How can you discount this???



Quoting Sisteract:



I go by what they said.



Ryan did not answer the questions asked.



His stated economic plan was found to be mathematically impossible by factchecker. HOW CAN PEOPLE DISCOUNT THIS?



Parse the act from the words/message.



Of the 4 who have debated so far, Biden is the only one who has presented facts, incorporated actual applicable experience and knowledge. Was he rude while calling out the miscues, fabrications and contributions? Yes. Were his statements and assertions wrong? No.



 






 


 

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Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:03 AM
Hmm, I've never noticed a smirk on either of them, and I never heard anyone complain about it. I must not have been on CM at that time.

Quoting candlegal:

You know it is kind of telling that so many on the left used to talk about how they hated the smirk on President Bush's face, but seem to find it okay on Obama and Biden.  Bush barely had a smirk and Obama almost always has one.


Quoting Carpy:

I think his smirking and smiling at inappropiate times was unbecoming and appears to have done more harm than good.  Of course the Obama devotees loved it, but the undecideds apparently, mostly did not.


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candlegal
by Judy on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:15 AM

It is everywhere or it was at the time.


Quoting Stephanie329:

Hmm, I've never noticed a smirk on either of them, and I never heard anyone complain about it. I must not have been on CM at that time.

Quoting candlegal:

You know it is kind of telling that so many on the left used to talk about how they hated the smirk on President Bush's face, but seem to find it okay on Obama and Biden.  Bush barely had a smirk and Obama almost always has one.


Quoting Carpy:

I think his smirking and smiling at inappropiate times was unbecoming and appears to have done more harm than good.  Of course the Obama devotees loved it, but the undecideds apparently, mostly did not.



jesusismyfriend
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:28 AM
Quoting romalove:

I found Biden disrespectful. I found Ryan not forceful enough. I don't think this debate will make a difference to voters.


I completely agree.
jesusismyfriend
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM
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Quoting Meadowchik:



I just wanted to jump in and say the guy that did the report for Obsma on Romneys tax plan was on tv and he stated that nowhere in his report did he state that Romney's plan was not feasible. As a matter of fact he said it was quit feasible. He was very peeved that Obama is dragging his report and his name in the mud. Matter of fact he even sited 3 times this type of plan was done and it was successful each time. The 20's, Kennedy, and Reagan. All 3 did a Romney like plan and all times the taxes collected went up because business could hire more people.
Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 9:15 AM
Holy cow. I'm glad I wasn't into politics at that time. I liked George W.

Quoting candlegal:

It is everywhere or it was at the time.


Quoting Stephanie329:

Hmm, I've never noticed a smirk on either of them, and I never heard anyone complain about it. I must not have been on CM at that time.



Quoting candlegal:

You know it is kind of telling that so many on the left used to talk about how they hated the smirk on President Bush's face, but seem to find it okay on Obama and Biden.  Bush barely had a smirk and Obama almost always has one.


Quoting Carpy:

I think his smirking and smiling at inappropiate times was unbecoming and appears to have done more harm than good.  Of course the Obama devotees loved it, but the undecideds apparently, mostly did not.



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toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 9:25 AM
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 It was very disturbing to watch the VP like that.  I had to wonder if he'd been a little wasted.  Is he a known drinker?

survivorinohio
by René on Oct. 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Once on an outdoor platform while campaigning I saw him say to the man standing next to him, about the speaker, that he was an **shole.  You could clearly see what he said.

Quoting Stephanie329:

Holy cow. I'm glad I wasn't into politics at that time. I liked George W.

Quoting candlegal:

It is everywhere or it was at the time.


Quoting Stephanie329:

Hmm, I've never noticed a smirk on either of them, and I never heard anyone complain about it. I must not have been on CM at that time.



Quoting candlegal:

You know it is kind of telling that so many on the left used to talk about how they hated the smirk on President Bush's face, but seem to find it okay on Obama and Biden.  Bush barely had a smirk and Obama almost always has one.


Quoting Carpy:

I think his smirking and smiling at inappropiate times was unbecoming and appears to have done more harm than good.  Of course the Obama devotees loved it, but the undecideds apparently, mostly did not.




How far you go in life depends on your being: tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of both the weak and strong.  Because someday in life you would have been one or all of these.  GeorgeWashingtonCarver


Sisteract
by Whoopie on Oct. 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM

How can R/R tax plan be viable IF the details have not been determined?

 Romney has admitted that those details are not solid- hence his reason for not divulging the details. He has already stated that Congress will determine where the needed cuts will be made and which loopholes will be closed.

Now if someone could post a link of the exact plan, with the exact cuts and the exact loopholes that will be closed and on whom, with real numbers, I'd appreciate it.

 Every economist I've heard and every plan I've read concludes that the R/R tax plan is mathematically impossible unless major loopholes are closed on the wealthy, taxes are raised on the MC (some state to those earners at the 100,000/yr range) or additional debt is added.

Prove those folks wrong, ladies; provide the details.

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