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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

October 12, 2012 By
 
When it comes to the distribution of religious books in public schools, the laws are very simple: If you allow the holy books of one faith to be handed out in school, you must allow the holy books of all faiths. You're better off, though, not handing out anything like that at all.

 

Gideons International - the group best known for their hotel room Bibles - has a long history of handing out Bibles to children in elementary school and they recently tried to get their books into the Grove Public Schools in northeastern Oklahoma. (Because I guess there are no churches in the state...?)

 

 

The school board, knowing a lawsuit would come their way if they allowed it, said no.

 

Earlier this week, though, more than 100 residents spoke out at a school board meeting urging the officials to reconsider their decision:

 

The Rev. Tony Wisdom and lawyer Robert Plunk urged the five-member school board to rethink the ban, which was approved this year after complaints and threats of a lawsuit from parents.

 

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Plunk told the board that the Rotary Club gives dictionaries to third-graders and that Bibles can be offered as long as it is done in the same manner.

 

The board did not address the policy during the meeting and took no action.

 

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Wisdom, who spoke to thunderous applause, said students should be given access to the greatest book ever written.

 

The minority should not override the majority, he said, adding that other religions also should have the right to give out materials.

 

Did they seriously just compare the Bible to a dictionary? That's crazy talk. One's full of wisdom and is an essential component of a good education... and the other's the Bible.

 

And what's with this minority/majority argument? The majority doesn't get to overturn the constitution on a whim.

 

At least the school leadership is opposed to bringing divisive religion into the district, right?

 

Of course not:

 

"There were people that wanted us to lose our jobs for allowing the Gideons to pass out Bibles last year," Superintendent Sandy Coaly said Wednesday.

 

"We were told if we allowed them to be passed out the school would be sued," Coaly said. "If it was me personally, we would have them (Bibles) in our backpack and read them 30 minutes a day."

 

30 minutes a day?! I guess if you cut out science class, you could always throw in Bible-readin'-time...

 

But here's what we'll do. If the school district allows these Bibles to be distributed in the schools, I vow to raise money on this site to purchase books about atheism and have them sent to every school in the district. I'll throw in some Korans while I'm at it.

 

Rev. Wisdom even said "other religions... should have the right to give out materials" so let's call his bluff.

 

Or we can just let the Freedom From Religion Foundation know. The fear of the impending lawsuit will scare the district back into submission.

 

(Thanks to Beau for the link)

 

by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM
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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM
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Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 


12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:07 PM


Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting missmansmommy:

I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.

 Whatever the intention was, it protects BOTH.  Trust me, you don't want the government to advocate religion, because some day your religion may not be in the majority.

Isn't it enough to have it at home and in church?  If my kid came home with a Bible, the school would be hearing from me....in person....

The first amendment gives people the right to practice their faith outside of the home and church....


 

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:07 PM
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Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

 Because if the school gives it to them they associate it with it being school approved.  Because it is a religious text that has no business being distributed by a government entity.  Because those who are religious already likely have one, and if they don't, can buy one or get one from their church.

Why would anyone think distributing Bibles in a public school is a good idea?

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting missmansmommy:

I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.

 Whatever the intention was, it protects BOTH.  Trust me, you don't want the government to advocate religion, because some day your religion may not be in the majority.

Isn't it enough to have it at home and in church?  If my kid came home with a Bible, the school would be hearing from me....in person....

The first amendment gives people the right to practice their faith outside of the home and church....


 

 Yes, and they can do so in school, on their own time, with their own materials and in their own way.  They cannot use the school for promotion of religion, ANY religion.  Teachers and administrators cannot promote religion either, as they are working for a government entity at that time. 

Doesn't answer the question of why, since there are so many places to express religion, some people think we should have it in a public school.

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

 


mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:11 PM
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yea, right lol I call liar liar liar pants on fire on that one.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

 

 


mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM
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it does not give them the right to push their beliefs onto children in public schools.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting missmansmommy:

I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.

 Whatever the intention was, it protects BOTH.  Trust me, you don't want the government to advocate religion, because some day your religion may not be in the majority.

Isn't it enough to have it at home and in church?  If my kid came home with a Bible, the school would be hearing from me....in person....

The first amendment gives people the right to practice their faith outside of the home and church....


 


lga1965
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Schools shouldn't preach of God or politics .... they are supposed to teach English grammar and spelling and math and history and science, among other things.

Quoting tooptimistic:

I don't think the schools should be handing Bibles or any other religious books..



  • Just wondering if you have been in a public school lately?  They are indoctrinating the kids.  Its not even a subtle thing.  Just last week a democrat teacher demanded a student take off a Romney Tshirt, tired to mark on it with a permanent marker, and took the girl into the hallway and had other students and teachers humiliate the girl. That is indoctrination.  The teacher wasn't even fired or suspended, just moved to another class.  

If teachers can't preach to our kids, they shouldn't be able to indoctrinate them with their political beliefs either.



 


Quoting lga1965:

Lol....homosexual propaganda?
you're a loon.
The schools are there to teach, not indoctrinate.



Quoting missmansmommy:


I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.



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Claire-Huxtable
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Why do you think she is a liar?   If you are comfortable with your faith, you have nothing to fear from your child reading about others.

Quoting mikiemom:

yea, right lol I call liar liar liar pants on fire on that one.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 





mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM
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so you would be ok with your local coven coming down to your school and having a little ritual to mother earth. You would be ok with your child being forced to participate in that?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

 

 


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