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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

October 12, 2012 By
 
When it comes to the distribution of religious books in public schools, the laws are very simple: If you allow the holy books of one faith to be handed out in school, you must allow the holy books of all faiths. You're better off, though, not handing out anything like that at all.

 

Gideons International - the group best known for their hotel room Bibles - has a long history of handing out Bibles to children in elementary school and they recently tried to get their books into the Grove Public Schools in northeastern Oklahoma. (Because I guess there are no churches in the state...?)

 

 

The school board, knowing a lawsuit would come their way if they allowed it, said no.

 

Earlier this week, though, more than 100 residents spoke out at a school board meeting urging the officials to reconsider their decision:

 

The Rev. Tony Wisdom and lawyer Robert Plunk urged the five-member school board to rethink the ban, which was approved this year after complaints and threats of a lawsuit from parents.

 

...

 

Plunk told the board that the Rotary Club gives dictionaries to third-graders and that Bibles can be offered as long as it is done in the same manner.

 

The board did not address the policy during the meeting and took no action.

 

...

 

Wisdom, who spoke to thunderous applause, said students should be given access to the greatest book ever written.

 

The minority should not override the majority, he said, adding that other religions also should have the right to give out materials.

 

Did they seriously just compare the Bible to a dictionary? That's crazy talk. One's full of wisdom and is an essential component of a good education... and the other's the Bible.

 

And what's with this minority/majority argument? The majority doesn't get to overturn the constitution on a whim.

 

At least the school leadership is opposed to bringing divisive religion into the district, right?

 

Of course not:

 

"There were people that wanted us to lose our jobs for allowing the Gideons to pass out Bibles last year," Superintendent Sandy Coaly said Wednesday.

 

"We were told if we allowed them to be passed out the school would be sued," Coaly said. "If it was me personally, we would have them (Bibles) in our backpack and read them 30 minutes a day."

 

30 minutes a day?! I guess if you cut out science class, you could always throw in Bible-readin'-time...

 

But here's what we'll do. If the school district allows these Bibles to be distributed in the schools, I vow to raise money on this site to purchase books about atheism and have them sent to every school in the district. I'll throw in some Korans while I'm at it.

 

Rev. Wisdom even said "other religions... should have the right to give out materials" so let's call his bluff.

 

Or we can just let the Freedom From Religion Foundation know. The fear of the impending lawsuit will scare the district back into submission.

 

(Thanks to Beau for the link)

 

by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM
Replies (261-270):
BuckeyezRule
by Bronze Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM
Well, I know on college campuses, members of religions hand out their 'holy book'. Maybe if the donaters wanted to hand out the bible, they could do it that way?

I don't agree with giving them out at school, but I have friends in Oklahoma, so, this doesn't surprise me at all. I do not live in the south, but we do have seminary buildings next to all of our middle and high schools. Lol kids go before or after school, or during a study hall. My kids won't be going though.
ambermario4ever
by Bronze Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 1:54 AM
Quoting romalove:





They taught us about the constitution. But I find nothing wrong with handing out Bibles in a school.

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LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 3:04 AM
The Bible is also crude, sweetie, and is full of murder, violence, incest and a whole slew of other things that are inappropriate for young eyes.


Quoting LiliMama18:

Well, in fairness, the satanic bible is a bit crude and probably wouldn't be appropriate for young children, but i personally wouldn't have a problem with it being read/available at the high school level.






Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I am aware of what it is, sweetie, and I am also aware most Christians are NOT and would not allow their children to have one.






Quoting LiliMama18:

Have you ever read the satanic bible? It has nothing to do with the Christian concept of Satan or the devil.








Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I did not say anything is scary about it, I just do not believe for a second that you would be okay with your schoollibrary even HAVING a copy, much less handing them out to kids.










Quoting 12hellokitty:

What is so scary about the satanic bible?












Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I agree she is lying her ass off saying she would be hunkey dorey with her kids' school distributing the Satanic Bible.














Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

Why do you think she is a liar?   If you are comfortable with your faith, you have nothing to fear from your child reading about others.








Quoting mikiemom:

yea, right lol I call liar liar liar pants on fire on that one.








Quoting 12hellokitty:








Sure, why not?   








Quoting mikiemom:








Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.








I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?








Quoting 12hellokitty:








Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

































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LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 3:05 AM
If they are not handing out literature from all other religions, it violates the 1st Amendment. Plain and simple.


Quoting ambermario4ever:

Quoting romalove:








They taught us about the constitution. But I find nothing wrong with handing out Bibles in a school.

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LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 3:07 AM
The point apparently zoomed right over your head.


Quoting LiliMama18:

Psssst...Hinduism is not an abrahamic religion.




Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

So screw the faiths of kids who practice non Abrahic religions? Not a chance in your hell is my childs school going to teach his class about Islam, and Judaism, Christianity as if they are only "legitimate" religions. I would raise my own bit of hell over that slap in the face to all religions outside the mainstream.






Quoting yourspecialkid:

 




Quoting Friday:








Quoting yourspecialkid:




 




Quoting morrigan914:

Would you he equally okay with me donating 'Practical Satanism' to your childrens school for the teachers to hand out?


Quoting yourspecialkid:




 I don't have a problem with it.  The school is not giving them out...no public dollars have been spent on them....and here's the kicker....handing out a Bible does not establish a CHURCH..which is what the first amendment is ACTUALLY about.





 




Is it going to cause the school to establish a church the kids are required to go to?  If not...the answer is send away...your first amendment rights are just as valid as mine.




I believe we should be teaching a religion class in at least the high school level...kids need to have a basic knowledge and a basic respect for the legitimate faiths in the world. 




I'm in Liberal Cali and my son learned about a wide variety of religions in Social Studies when he was in middle school.




Who decides what faiths are legit?




 No one decides what is legit...numbers do.  You obviously can't cover every faith so you focus on the primary ones.  Statistically the top 3 by overwhelming numbers are Christianity, Islam and Hinduism....I would probably add the next 4 or 5....I would then ask my students for short reports on at least 1 other religion...reports to be shared with the class.  You could easily add more by teaching them along with something else they go with...as an example...Tribal religions could go with history.  If there are families of the small statistical religions..bring someone in to share with the kids.




I think it is great your son learned about a variety of religions.  Religions can have similarities and it is these similarities that can give us the start of tolerance of faith different than our own.




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Sekirei
by Nari Trickster on Oct. 13, 2012 at 5:07 AM

I would probably just burn it..

LiliMama18
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:30 AM
Umm idk why u keep calling me sweetie, pop tart, but go re read the religions the poster you quoted named. Then read your response. Do it slowly, you'll get it.


Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

The point apparently zoomed right over your head.




Quoting LiliMama18:

Psssst...Hinduism is not an abrahamic religion.






Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

So screw the faiths of kids who practice non Abrahic religions? Not a chance in your hell is my childs school going to teach his class about Islam, and Judaism, Christianity as if they are only "legitimate" religions. I would raise my own bit of hell over that slap in the face to all religions outside the mainstream.








Quoting yourspecialkid:

 





Quoting Friday:










Quoting yourspecialkid:





 





Quoting morrigan914:

Would you he equally okay with me donating 'Practical Satanism' to your childrens school for the teachers to hand out?



Quoting yourspecialkid:





 I don't have a problem with it.  The school is not giving them out...no public dollars have been spent on them....and here's the kicker....handing out a Bible does not establish a CHURCH..which is what the first amendment is ACTUALLY about.






 





Is it going to cause the school to establish a church the kids are required to go to?  If not...the answer is send away...your first amendment rights are just as valid as mine.





I believe we should be teaching a religion class in at least the high school level...kids need to have a basic knowledge and a basic respect for the legitimate faiths in the world. 





I'm in Liberal Cali and my son learned about a wide variety of religions in Social Studies when he was in middle school.





Who decides what faiths are legit?





 No one decides what is legit...numbers do.  You obviously can't cover every faith so you focus on the primary ones.  Statistically the top 3 by overwhelming numbers are Christianity, Islam and Hinduism....I would probably add the next 4 or 5....I would then ask my students for short reports on at least 1 other religion...reports to be shared with the class.  You could easily add more by teaching them along with something else they go with...as an example...Tribal religions could go with history.  If there are families of the small statistical religions..bring someone in to share with the kids.





I think it is great your son learned about a variety of religions.  Religions can have similarities and it is these similarities that can give us the start of tolerance of faith different than our own.





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LiliMama18
by Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM
Uh huh, and the bible is also more subtle about it than the satanists bible.



Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

The Bible is also crude, sweetie, and is full of murder, violence, incest and a whole slew of other things that are inappropriate for young eyes.




Quoting LiliMama18:

Well, in fairness, the satanic bible is a bit crude and probably wouldn't be appropriate for young children, but i personally wouldn't have a problem with it being read/available at the high school level.









Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I am aware of what it is, sweetie, and I am also aware most Christians are NOT and would not allow their children to have one.








Quoting LiliMama18:

Have you ever read the satanic bible? It has nothing to do with the Christian concept of Satan or the devil.










Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I did not say anything is scary about it, I just do not believe for a second that you would be okay with your schoollibrary even HAVING a copy, much less handing them out to kids.












Quoting 12hellokitty:

What is so scary about the satanic bible?














Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

I agree she is lying her ass off saying she would be hunkey dorey with her kids' school distributing the Satanic Bible.
















Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

Why do you think she is a liar?   If you are comfortable with your faith, you have nothing to fear from your child reading about others.









Quoting mikiemom:

yea, right lol I call liar liar liar pants on fire on that one.









Quoting 12hellokitty:









Sure, why not?   









Quoting mikiemom:









Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.









I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?









Quoting 12hellokitty:









Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 





































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romalove
by Roma on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:42 AM

 

Quoting ambermario4ever:

Quoting romalove:





They taught us about the constitution. But I find nothing wrong with handing out Bibles in a school.

 I think if they are handed out in a mythology class it's fine.  I think if they are handed out as a religious text they do not belong there.  I think if that happened at my school I would be making sure they came as a package with a whole lot of other religious texts and books deriding God and religion as fake. 

There is NO REASON on the planet for public schools to be advocating religion of any kind.

romalove
by Roma on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM

 

Quoting LiliMama18:

Uh huh, and the bible is also more subtle about it than the satanists bible.



Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

The Bible is also crude, sweetie, and is full of murder, violence, incest and a whole slew of other things that are inappropriate for young eyes.





 I just wanted to jump in here and say that just because you think the Bible is "more subtle" about murder, violence and incest than the Satanist Bible, that doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't have a different judgment about that.  We are now no longer talking about the Constitutionality of handing out religious paraphernalia in a public school, but which kinds are OK for little eyes and when they might be able to handle the material.  For me, the answer is it shouldn't be there at all, that schools have authority roles in children's lives and they are not able to differentiate between a school giving them a free Bible as a little present, do with it what you will, and a school handing them a Bible and believing that it's a truthful document. 

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