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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

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In Oklahoma, a School District Is Debating Bible Distribution to Children

October 12, 2012 By
 
When it comes to the distribution of religious books in public schools, the laws are very simple: If you allow the holy books of one faith to be handed out in school, you must allow the holy books of all faiths. You're better off, though, not handing out anything like that at all.

 

Gideons International - the group best known for their hotel room Bibles - has a long history of handing out Bibles to children in elementary school and they recently tried to get their books into the Grove Public Schools in northeastern Oklahoma. (Because I guess there are no churches in the state...?)

 

 

The school board, knowing a lawsuit would come their way if they allowed it, said no.

 

Earlier this week, though, more than 100 residents spoke out at a school board meeting urging the officials to reconsider their decision:

 

The Rev. Tony Wisdom and lawyer Robert Plunk urged the five-member school board to rethink the ban, which was approved this year after complaints and threats of a lawsuit from parents.

 

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Plunk told the board that the Rotary Club gives dictionaries to third-graders and that Bibles can be offered as long as it is done in the same manner.

 

The board did not address the policy during the meeting and took no action.

 

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Wisdom, who spoke to thunderous applause, said students should be given access to the greatest book ever written.

 

The minority should not override the majority, he said, adding that other religions also should have the right to give out materials.

 

Did they seriously just compare the Bible to a dictionary? That's crazy talk. One's full of wisdom and is an essential component of a good education... and the other's the Bible.

 

And what's with this minority/majority argument? The majority doesn't get to overturn the constitution on a whim.

 

At least the school leadership is opposed to bringing divisive religion into the district, right?

 

Of course not:

 

"There were people that wanted us to lose our jobs for allowing the Gideons to pass out Bibles last year," Superintendent Sandy Coaly said Wednesday.

 

"We were told if we allowed them to be passed out the school would be sued," Coaly said. "If it was me personally, we would have them (Bibles) in our backpack and read them 30 minutes a day."

 

30 minutes a day?! I guess if you cut out science class, you could always throw in Bible-readin'-time...

 

But here's what we'll do. If the school district allows these Bibles to be distributed in the schools, I vow to raise money on this site to purchase books about atheism and have them sent to every school in the district. I'll throw in some Korans while I'm at it.

 

Rev. Wisdom even said "other religions... should have the right to give out materials" so let's call his bluff.

 

Or we can just let the Freedom From Religion Foundation know. The fear of the impending lawsuit will scare the district back into submission.

 

(Thanks to Beau for the link)

 

by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM
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Arroree
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM
1 mom liked this


Quoting mikiemom:

where is the picture of the witch with the awesome shoes when you need it. You know the one that says be careful what you wish for.


Claire-Huxtable
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM

yes, you are incredibly closed minded when you want to burn any kind of book.

Quoting mikiemom:

closed mind lol YOu are welcome to worship as you wish, you are not welcome to force your beliefs onto anyone else.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

Well, at least your brain will not fall out from having such a closed mind.

Quoting mikiemom:

ordinarily I don't agree with book burning but in this case, I thnk a bon fire on the school lawn would be appropriate.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

How is a child being forced to read the bible?

Quoting mikiemom:

so you would be ok with your local coven coming down to your school and having a little ritual to mother earth. You would be ok with your child being forced to participate in that?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 









12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM


Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting missmansmommy:

I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.

 Whatever the intention was, it protects BOTH.  Trust me, you don't want the government to advocate religion, because some day your religion may not be in the majority.

Isn't it enough to have it at home and in church?  If my kid came home with a Bible, the school would be hearing from me....in person....

The first amendment gives people the right to practice their faith outside of the home and church....


 

 Yes, and they can do so in school, on their own time, with their own materials and in their own way.  They cannot use the school for promotion of religion, ANY religion.  Teachers and administrators cannot promote religion either, as they are working for a government entity at that time. 

Doesn't answer the question of why, since there are so many places to express religion, some people think we should have it in a public school.

Are they just allowing a group to donate bibles for students who chose to have receive one?  I'm not following how that is teaching religion?  Perhaps if the bible came with a condom or morning after pill, since schools don't seem to have problems promoting secular religion....

 I'm not understanding how you don't see that handing out a religious text is promoting religion.

I'm also not understanding how condoms and morning after pills are part of "secular religion", whatever that is. 

Are you saying only Godless people use birth control?


No.

What I'm saying is schools can't handout aspirin or cough drops, yet they are allowed to handout condoms and birth control including morning after pills to students without parental consent....Do you think making condoms, birth control and the morning after pill is promoting kids to have sex?   

What do you fear will happen to the students if bible are available on request? 

ashellbell
by shellbark on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Not all of us feel that way. Unfortunately, the 'other' religions are a minority here. Our voices fall on deaf ears.


Quoting mikiemom:

SMDH - why do the good folks of Oklahoma feel Federal Law does not apply to them?


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12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM


Quoting Arroree:

 

Quoting mikiemom:

where is the picture of the witch with the awesome shoes when you need it. You know the one that says be careful what you wish for.


My kids pray in school everyday.  In fact my son informed me Mass was over 2 hours long yesterday and in theology he had to watch another hour of a televised Mass....

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM

thank you, I can't post pics from here - acceptable use policy lol


 

Quoting Arroree:

 

Quoting mikiemom:

where is the picture of the witch with the awesome shoes when you need it. You know the one that says be careful what you wish for.



mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM

the only book I would burn is the bible if it were handed to my child by the school and I would do it on their lawn or in their front office.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

yes, you are incredibly closed minded when you want to burn any kind of book.

Quoting mikiemom:

closed mind lol YOu are welcome to worship as you wish, you are not welcome to force your beliefs onto anyone else.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

Well, at least your brain will not fall out from having such a closed mind.

Quoting mikiemom:

ordinarily I don't agree with book burning but in this case, I thnk a bon fire on the school lawn would be appropriate.

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

How is a child being forced to read the bible?

Quoting mikiemom:

so you would be ok with your local coven coming down to your school and having a little ritual to mother earth. You would be ok with your child being forced to participate in that?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Sure, why not?   

Quoting mikiemom:

Afraid - no innapropriate for school yes. If I want my child reading the bible, I will provide him with one. He is welcome to read the bible, the school is not welcome to push their agenda onto my child.

I find the utter lack of tolerance for other religions among american christians to be disgusting and apalling, would you be ok with your child being sent home with a quran, torra, satanic bible?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

Just curious but why are so many afraid of students being allowed to receive a free bible? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


romalove
by Roma on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting missmansmommy:

I think that would be wonderful!! Stop distributing pro-homosexual propoganda and condoms, and give them something that will guide them and nourish them instead. Praise God! I hope it passes!! By the way, the seperation of church and state was to protect the church, not the state.

 Whatever the intention was, it protects BOTH.  Trust me, you don't want the government to advocate religion, because some day your religion may not be in the majority.

Isn't it enough to have it at home and in church?  If my kid came home with a Bible, the school would be hearing from me....in person....

The first amendment gives people the right to practice their faith outside of the home and church....


 

 Yes, and they can do so in school, on their own time, with their own materials and in their own way.  They cannot use the school for promotion of religion, ANY religion.  Teachers and administrators cannot promote religion either, as they are working for a government entity at that time. 

Doesn't answer the question of why, since there are so many places to express religion, some people think we should have it in a public school.

Are they just allowing a group to donate bibles for students who chose to have receive one?  I'm not following how that is teaching religion?  Perhaps if the bible came with a condom or morning after pill, since schools don't seem to have problems promoting secular religion....

 I'm not understanding how you don't see that handing out a religious text is promoting religion.

I'm also not understanding how condoms and morning after pills are part of "secular religion", whatever that is. 

Are you saying only Godless people use birth control?


No.

What I'm saying is schools can't handout aspirin or cough drops, yet they are allowed to handout condoms and birth control including morning after pills to students without parental consent....Do you think making condoms, birth control and the morning after pill is promoting kids to have sex?   

What do you fear will happen to the students if bible are available on request? 

 I think the question of schools distributing birth control or information on sex topics is completely separate from the question of whether or not schools should be in the business of distributing religious texts and paraphernalia.  I think when we mix up the two, it makes it harder to stay on topic.

My fear with schools distributing Bibles is that a) students will give more weight to a religious text if the school gives it to them because they see school as an authority, b) schools will use the liberty of distribution of Bibles as a step towards discussing Bibles or praying in school, and c) which is the most important one, my fear is that the separation of government and religion will be breached and that is of very high importance.

mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Great - keep sending your kid to private school.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 

Quoting Arroree:

 

Quoting mikiemom:

where is the picture of the witch with the awesome shoes when you need it. You know the one that says be careful what you wish for.


My kids pray in school everyday.  In fact my son informed me Mass was over 2 hours long yesterday and in theology he had to watch another hour of a televised Mass....


12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM


Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Claire-Huxtable:

Religious texts are the same thing as porn.   That is a new one for me.

 They aren't.  But the argument has been made that the school should be able to distribute because the texts are donated.  I don't think the donation should be the reason to distribute that which does not belong in a school.

Religious text and porn both.


Are you serious?  Religious text are legal to offer minors, porn on the other hand is not.  Surprisingly schools have found a way to get around giving kids prescription medication without parental consent....

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