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Fox News Turns on Romney and Criticizes His Impossible Tax Cut Math

Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace turned on the Romney campaign today, called out their bogus 6 studies statistic and criticized their tax cut math that doesn’t add up.

Here is the video:


Transcript:

WALLACE: All right, let’s talk about what David Axelrod brought up in the question of taxes. In the vice presidential debate, Paul Ryan, once again, got roughed up for failing to explain how you’re going to pay for the 20% cut in tax rates by limiting deductions. Let’s take a look. Here it is.

RYAN: We want to work with congress on how best to achieve this, that means successful. What we are saying, lower tax rates 20%, start with the wealthy, work with congress to do it.

WALLACE: Ryan is saying, we don’t want to get hemmed in. Let’s leave it to negotiations with congress to get into the details. Here’s my question. Why is it all right to tell voters about the candy – hey, everybody is going to get a 20% tax cut, cut in their tax rates, but let’s not tell them about the spinach, which is you’re going to lose some deductions?

GILLESPIE: We have talked about losing deductions…

WALLACE: But you haven’t given specifics.

GILLESPIE: Well, because Chris, in a campaign environment, to start negotiating in a campaign environment you’re going to lock in republicans, you’re going to lock in democrats…

WALLACE: But you locked them in on the 20% tax rate.

GILLESPIE: I think people understand that that is a broad principle, that that tax rate needs to come down and we need to broaden the base. That is the principle, the principle is also that we are not going to change the share of taxes paid by upper income earners, and we’re going to give tax relief to the middle class and it’s going to be deficit neutral. You can do all of those things and have people understand that this election was about this and we need this kind of pro-growth tax reform agenda. And, then work out the details in the same way, by the way, Ronald Reagan did with Tip O’Neill with working across the aisle. Governor Romney has a proven record of being able to work across this aisle.

WALLACE: But you’re not explaining – because there are a lot of question from independent people – how do you pay for it? And you refuse say how you’re going to pay for it.

GILLESPIE: What we have said is that we are going to pay for it with these, by limiting deductions and loopholes – and, by the way, making sure for the middle class, that protecting the home mortgage deduction and other important deductions for them, but at the high end you would eliminate deductions and, you know, a lot of special interest loopholes that would allow you to bring down the rate 20%. Six different studies have said this is entirely doable.

WALLACE: Those are questionable, some of them are blogs, some of them are from the AEI, which is hardly an independent group.

GILLESPIE: These are very credible sources…

WALLACE: One of them is from a guy who is – from a blog from a guy who was a top advisor to George W. Bush. These are hardly nonpartisan studies.

GILLESPIE: Well, Chris, I think if you look at Harvard an AEI and other studies, they are very credible sources for economic analysis.

WALLACE: You wouldn’t say that AEI is a conservative think tank?

GILLESPIE: I would say it is a right-leaning think tank. That doesn’t make it not credible.

WALLACE: Chris: It doesn’t make it nonpartisan.

GILLESPIE: It does make it nonpartisan. It’s not a partisan organization, I can tell you, there have been many instances where there have been things that AEI has come out with and said, that I didn’t find to be necessarily helpful to the Republican Party.

Fox News has been complaining about the fact that Romney won’t give them specifics since the general election campaign started, but Chris Wallace’s tough stance on Ed Gillespie shows how exasperated they have become with Romney.

What the Romney campaign doesn’t get is that Fox News is on their side, and would spin any details they gave them in a way that would help the Romney campaign. Romney could announce that he is going pay for his tax cut by cutting all food assistance to children and seniors, get rid of Head Start, and he is will be charging everybody $25 a year for the right to use the words United States and Fox News would still spin it in his favor.

It was also a bit surreal to see Chris Wallace do what most of the supposedly “neutral” mainstream media won’t do, by calling out Romney’s 6 studies statistic as completely bogus.

The reality is that Roger Ailes and Fox News see Romney’s lack of details as one of his major weaknesses. They know it could cost him the election. They are trying their best to help Romney out, but the Republican nominee’s campaign is either too paranoid or stupid to accept their assistance.

It is looking like the real reason why Mitt Romney won’t give the details about his tax plan is because there aren’t any. Romney might actually be telling the truth when he states that he is going to figure it out later with the Congress, but figuring it out later with the Congress is also political code for, “we’re not going to pay for this,” and that is a truth that the Romney campaign desperately does not want to admit.

The Fox News/Romney marriage should never be described as good. Much like most of the right, they are supporting Romney because he is the nominee. Chris Wallace’s questioning of Gillespie was more proof that Mitt Romney doesn’t trust Fox News, and Fox News doesn’t trust Mitt Romney.

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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

by on Oct. 15, 2012 at 9:38 AM
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Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 4:55 PM


Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

lol.

Orrrrrr.... it could just be that even Fox News can admit Romney is full of shit.

Shining endorsement of Romney.


brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Are you taking Romney's (proven wrong) stance that all 47% of Americans who pay no income tax are all Supporters of President Obama?

There are just as many people on PA and low income that are Republican as there is Democrats. The same thing can be said with those of wealth.

So yes you did overlook something. You forgot there are plenty of wealthy people who are Democrats and that all people should be concerned about our government and the President and his/her Plans.

Quoting mustbeGRACE:

II'm not sure that people who receive Earned Income Credit should even concern themselves with the issue?

Why worry about tax cuts if you pay no taxes?

Did I overlook something?



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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM


Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.

grandma B

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM


Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.

I have never said, "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox". If you post something from Fox News and I am against it I will point out what is wrong with the argument.

If it is just an Opinion piece or Poll then yes I will point out it if Fox News. Because when it comes to Opinion pieces or Polls getting all of your articles from a Conservative site is kind of silly. Especially when some of the writers (Wall Street Journal) and some of the Fox Contributors are Mitt Romney advisers. And a lot of times they "forget" to mention that and instead call them by a different title or act like they are not Partisan at all.

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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

timeforprogress
by Silver Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Fox is not a news organization.  It is a tabloidesque propoganda mouthpiece of the right wing.  Now I know you are going to say but CNN and MSNBC....yada yada yada, but those channels just are not that organized.  They are really just commercial propaganda mouth peices with a left of center slant.  Now that makes their credibility rating go down, but not all of them are created equal.

They made Romney.  Everyone new he was going to be the candidate, because Fox made sure you never knew anything about the other candidates.  They are being tough on Romney, because they are afraid of losing.  I swear, how is this stuff not obvious to everyone?

Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.


timeforprogress
by Silver Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 6:06 PM

What is sad is that there is actually supposed to be some regulatory agency ensuring that there isn't collusion with the media and the candidates in any overly influental way, but these guys are just so hampered down with regulations that they can't be wealthy enough.  One day it will click in people's heads that the problem isn't the fact that the government isn't functioning.  The problem is the yahoos who keep working to make sure it doesn't function.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.

I have never said, "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox". If you post something from Fox News and I am against it I will point out what is wrong with the argument.

If it is just an Opinion piece or Poll then yes I will point out it if Fox News. Because when it comes to Opinion pieces or Polls getting all of your articles from a Conservative site is kind of silly. Especially when some of the writers (Wall Street Journal) and some of the Fox Contributors are Mitt Romney advisers. And a lot of times they "forget" to mention that and instead call them by a different title or act like they are not Partisan at all.


Jesi_79
by Bronze Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM
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It's called fair and balanced.  It's called intellectual honesty.  It's called journalism.

Since the main stream media is totally in the bag for Democrats liberals consider Fox "turning on Romney" when they hold him to the same standards they hold all politicians.  Liberals get so confused that not all conservatives are Republicans, and convesely not all Republicans are conservatives, because they know that all liberals are Democrats and all Democrats are liberals.

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM
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Quoting Jesi_79:

It's called fair and balanced.  It's called intellectual honesty.  It's called journalism.

Since the main stream media is totally in the bag for Democrats liberals consider Fox "turning on Romney" when they hold him to the same standards they hold all politicians.  Liberals get so confused that not all conservatives are Republicans, and convesely not all Republicans are conservatives, because they know that all liberals are Democrats and all Democrats are liberals.

Oh my, you may have just confused their addled brains there by stating the obvious.

grandma B

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 7:45 PM
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Quoting timeforprogress:

What is sad is that there is actually supposed to be some regulatory agency ensuring that there isn't collusion with the media and the candidates in any overly influental way, but these guys are just so hampered down with regulations that they can't be wealthy enough.  One day it will click in people's heads that the problem isn't the fact that the government isn't functioning.  The problem is the yahoos who keep working to make sure it doesn't function.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Quoting grandmab125:

 

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.

I have never said, "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox". If you post something from Fox News and I am against it I will point out what is wrong with the argument.

If it is just an Opinion piece or Poll then yes I will point out it if Fox News. Because when it comes to Opinion pieces or Polls getting all of your articles from a Conservative site is kind of silly. Especially when some of the writers (Wall Street Journal) and some of the Fox Contributors are Mitt Romney advisers. And a lot of times they "forget" to mention that and instead call them by a different title or act like they are not Partisan at all.


That's probably the biggest bull shit answer I've read today.  MSM has been in Obama's back pocket since before he ran for president.  They have done nothing but to cover up his back ground, don't report on his screw ups and fawn all over him....and the lemmings buy it all.  You wouldn't know fair and balanced reporting, if it bit you in the ass.

 Since I'm sure you've never watched Fox News, because you might actually learn something, you wouldn't know that they gave equal coverage to all of the candidates in the republican primaries.

You know Obama has been asked many times to appear on Bill Reilly's show since he became president, and he won't, because he knows he has no answers for the fair and balanced questions Reilly would ask him.

There are at least a half dozen news shows, that cover both world and national, on all day long.  You should tune in, you might learn something.

grandma B

timeforprogress
by Silver Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't think that any commercial news organization has credibility.

Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting timeforprogress:

What is sad is that there is actually supposed to be some regulatory agency ensuring that there isn't collusion with the media and the candidates in any overly influental way, but these guys are just so hampered down with regulations that they can't be wealthy enough.  One day it will click in people's heads that the problem isn't the fact that the government isn't functioning.  The problem is the yahoos who keep working to make sure it doesn't function.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:


Quoting brookiecookie87:


Quoting grandmab125:

Ha...ha..ha...more proof that Fox is not totally right wing and biased, and you still won't give them any credit.

I don't know what you are tyring to get at. No one has ever said Fox News cannot tell the truth at all. They are biased. They do lie.

That does not mean they are incapable of telling the truth or asking tough question.

Oh come on.  Every time one of us posts something from Fox News, all we get is "bs", "faux news", "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox", "lies", and on and on.  Are you still trieing to convince yourself that MSM isn't definitely left leaning and liberal?  It used to be that during elections at any level, politicians in both parties were an equal opportunity target for the press  It hasn't been that way since good old Billy boy Clinton charmed them all.

I have never said, "didn't even bother reading it as soon as I saw Fox". If you post something from Fox News and I am against it I will point out what is wrong with the argument.

If it is just an Opinion piece or Poll then yes I will point out it if Fox News. Because when it comes to Opinion pieces or Polls getting all of your articles from a Conservative site is kind of silly. Especially when some of the writers (Wall Street Journal) and some of the Fox Contributors are Mitt Romney advisers. And a lot of times they "forget" to mention that and instead call them by a different title or act like they are not Partisan at all.


That's probably the biggest bull shit answer I've read today.  MSM has been in Obama's back pocket since before he ran for president.  They have done nothing but to cover up his back ground, don't report on his screw ups and fawn all over him....and the lemmings buy it all.  You wouldn't know fair and balanced reporting, if it bit you in the ass.

 Since I'm sure you've never watched Fox News, because you might actually learn something, you wouldn't know that they gave equal coverage to all of the candidates in the republican primaries.

You know Obama has been asked many times to appear on Bill Reilly's show since he became president, and he won't, because he knows he has no answers for the fair and balanced questions Reilly would ask him.

There are at least a half dozen news shows, that cover both world and national, on all day long.  You should tune in, you might learn something.


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