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Conservatives finally found a fall guy for their big loss last Tuesday—the American people.

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If you want to explain why your party lost a presidential election, there are a number of places to look. You can blame your candidate and his campaign (which usually means, "If only they had listened to me!"). You can blame your party, and ask if it should examine its ideology or its rhetoric. You can blame the media. Or you can blame the voters. As the old political saw says, "The people have spoken—the bastards." And that is what one conservative after another has been saying over the last week.

They aren't saying that the voters are uninformed, or that they allowed themselves to be duped. Instead, Barack Obama's re-election is said to be a moral failing on the part of the American public. They got what they wanted, conservatives are saying. And what was it they wanted? Universal health coverage, higher taxes on the wealthy, strong environmental regulations, legal abortion? Nope. They wanted free stuff. Because that's just how those people are.

This was perhaps articulated most vividly by Bill O'Reilly, who on election nightlamented the fact that "the white establishment is no longer the majority" and said, "It's not a traditional America anymore, and there are 50 percent of the voting public who want stuff. They want things. And who is going to give them things? President Obama."

It didn't start on election day; this is a tune that Republicans have been playing for a couple of years now, and nearly everyone, from media figures to members of Congress to their presidential nominee himself, joined in with increasing frequency over the last few months. "You either get free stuff or you get freedom. You cannot have both," said Sarah Palin back in September. "Offering Americans a check is a more fruitful political strategy than offering them the opportunity to take control of and responsibility for their own lives,"wrote National Review's Kevin Williamson after the election. "You have two generations now who believe that the government owes them something," saidconservative columnist Cal Thomas. "If you're looking for free stuff you don't have to pay for, vote for the other guy," said Mitt Romney during the campaign. And of course, his infamous 47 percent video was all about those people who think they are "entitled" to government benefits.

The truth, of course, is that every single person in America gets benefits from the U.S. government. We get defended from invasion, we get roads to drive on, we get reasonably clean air to breathe, we get parks and schools and so much else. But that's not the "free stuff" conservatives are talking about. They're talking about the government giving you something directly as an individual, like money. But there's a problem here too: Lots and lots of Americans, including most of those whom Republicans deem morally worthy, get plenty of stuff from the government. I'm not even talking about bank bailouts, or corporations like General Electric rewriting the tax code so they pay nothing. I'm talking about individual people, the kind of people Republicans like, getting direct government aid.

There is nothing–nothing–that makes, say, Medicare superior to unemployment benefits, even though as far as conservatives are concerned, only receiving the latter makes you a "taker." If you're unemployed, you paid taxes, and now the government is helping you in your time of need. There is nothing that makes the mortgage interest deduction morally superior to food stamps, even though conservatives like one but not the other. The government has decided, wisely or not, that it wants to promote home ownership, so it pays for part of millions of homeowners' mortgage interest. The government has also decided that it's bad for our society if people starve, so if your income falls below the level where it will be difficult to afford food and also pay for the other necessities of life, it give you some help in buying food.

So what is it that, in conservatives' minds, distinguishes the "makers" from the "takers," particularly when, as political scientists Suzanne Mettler and John Sides report, "97 percent of Republicans and 98 percent of Democrats report that they have used at least one government social policy"? Think hard, and it'll come to you.

Even if Mitt Romney had not chosen Ayn Rand acolyte Paul Ryan to be his running mate, this election would still have seen the triumph of a Randian attitude on the right, in which every policy and everyone they don't like is attacked as a despicable parasite sucking off the labors of their economic betters. We had Romney's absurdly mendacious welfare ad ("You wouldn't have to work … they just send you your welfare check"). We had Newt Gingrich proclaiming that he'd love to explain to the NAACP "why the African American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps." We had the attack on Sandra Fluke for allegedly wanting "free contraception," or even asking for taxpayers to pay for it ("Ms. Fluke wants us to pick up her lifestyle expenses!" said Bill O'Reilly), when what she advocated was that the insurance coverage that women themselves pay for should cover contraception. We had conservatives fascinated by the idea that poor voters were being given free "Obama phones" (don't ask). To the right, if you were voting for Obama it could only be because you wanted to get something from the government you didn't deserve.

But if you want to find a real sense of entitlement, the place to look is among the country's wealthy, the people who turned over hundreds of millions of dollars to Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie in their failed attempt to drive Barack Obama from office. They may not have been able to propel one of their own to the White House, but despite all their resentment and complaining things have never been better for the country's economic Übermenschen. Not only do they hold more of the nation's wealth than at any time since the Gilded Age, the privileges of that wealth have never been greater. Their taxes have never been lower. The entire world offers special concierge services to shield them from the indignities and inconveniences of everyday life. And now, they have new freedoms in the political realm as well; where they might have had to hold their tongues in the past, thanks to Citizens United they are now free to strong-arm their employees to vote in the right way, complete with threats of layoffs should the voters be so vulgar as to elect a Democratic president.

Perhaps by the time 2016 arrives, the Republican party will find a message that resonates with voters more effectively than "You people make me sick." For now, though, that's what they're sticking with.

http://prospect.org/article/land-free-stuff-home-brave

by on Nov. 12, 2012 at 11:28 PM
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kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Don't worry, I'm not saying all of this is absolutely going to happen.  It's all hypotheticals of what could happen if the wealthy people all get fed up with the fuck you attitude from the people they're paying for.  If you go back and look at history, socialism has always failed, and miserably.  Entire civilizations have collapsed. 

Quoting timeforprogress:

Those stores are not all going to close. I used to think you were more rational than this.

Quoting kailu1835:

Well let's see... Safeway, QFC, Albertsons, Fred Meyers, Walmart... all big corporations.  There are very few small town grocery stores left anymore.  I never said all the jobs would be gone, but if the big corporations, and the people who owned them, decided to stop, or move out of the country, there would be very little jobs left, and we truly would be third world.  It's great that you would have the ability to build your own business, but many will not have the funds to do so.  And who will buy your services when nobody has any money because of the lack of any work?  I suppose we could go to a barter system...

Quoting stacymomof2:

There are only around 350 million total population in this country, but anyway.

My job won't go away.  Lots of jobs won't go away.  We still need grocery stores, services, restaurants, drug stores, etc etc etc.  

And if it does go away, maybe I will build my OWN business.  Because there would be a big hole left by whoever wants to leave because we aren't bowing down like they are gods.

My goodness, are you that scared?  Why?  It's not like the economy is so grand anyway.  Lets build it up!  It's not anger, or bitterness, or anything.  If a big business can't compete on an even playing field with a small business, let them go.

Quoting kailu1835:

And when you and billions of others in this country all lose their jobs as a direct result, don't come whining to me.

Quoting nb34:

Let them leave. As if they are creating real jobs. Give me a break. All they are doing is exploiting people, polluting our environment and complaining about paying taxes. As if they are doing anyone except their own pockets any favors. They are upset now because the American people have figured them out.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.






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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Nov. 13, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Oh ITA with you, but Romney does not.


Quoting Farmlady09:

How so? A military pension is no different than the pension from any other business. We get no food stamps or any other state aid, and we have military insurance. DH never bothered with the VA and we pay our co-pays through Tricare. DH fought getting put out of the military and turned down disability as well ...

Quoting Sisteract:

MR considered your family part of the 47% of takers.

Quoting Farmlady09:


Quoting kailu1835:

lol Americans have very little work ethic compared to other countries.  We whine and complain about our jobs, don't want to do the dirty work, complain about the Mexican's taking jobs we don't want but then when given the  dopportunity flip our noses at them.  Poor people in other countries will work 15 hour days for pennies on the dollar so that their kids can eat, but we sit back on our asses and let other people do it for us.  Our work ethic leaves a LOT to be desired.

But all that aside, just how hard do you think you will be working when the jobs are all gone?

Quoting mehamil1:

Shouldn't use the word "all". You don't give the human spirit enough credit. Or the American work ethic enough credit. We Americans are obsessed with work to the point of insanity. I once had a class with a woman from Africa who was put to work as soon as she could walk by herself. Even she said that we Americans are too obsessed with work and not enough with life. 

Hyperbole, thy name is kailu. 

Quoting kailu1835:

And when you and billions of others in this country all lose their jobs as a direct result, don't come whining to me.

Quoting nb34:

Let them leave. As if they are creating real jobs. Give me a break. All they are doing is exploiting people, polluting our environment and complaining about paying taxes. As if they are doing anyone except their own pockets any favors. They are upset now because the American people have figured them out.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.



I don't intend to work any harder than I do right now, unless it's at hiding what I have so those who are not getting enough (or any) food stamps can't take what I've worked for. I don't 'work' outside the home. I have a garden, an orchard, and I raise animals for food and dairy.

I also have two shipping containers that even google earth missed thanks to camo netting lol ~ and when this all falls apart, my food animals will be underground (and so will we) until people are done eating each other.

If things don't fall apart, I have the best place to keep storing the foods I can and dehydrate and a permanent storm shelter from tornadoes and hurricanes ... and with 4 feet of dirt plus concrete and steel it also doubles as a bomb shelter.

As for 'who I blame' for this mess, it's the NEA. Three generations of children who walked out with a diploma and knew 'progressively' less.

We (DH and I) bought our property with cash, did all the improvements and building ourselves, had a second well drilled, have everything we need on solar power, etc. He has a disabled military pension (after his first 6 back surgeries that they made him take because he was no longer world wide ready ~ thanks Clinton). At that point I said nuts and quit working and planted a big garden. That's my job now, and I'm quite pleased that I don't get ripped off in taxes for the work I do ~ and completely unapologetic that I'm not contributing to the mess the country is in OR footing the bill to further the stupidity governing most people's lives and choices.

Kailu nailed it ~ Americans today have a pathetic work ethic. I'll go a step further and say that most are spoiled, lazy, pathetically under-educated, and happy to be that way. If they spent a fraction of the time learning something useful that they do casting blame and trying to figure out how to get paid for doing nothing, most people would be upper middle class or outright wealthy.

We have what we do thanks to hard work ~ not a big paycheck or years of savings. We started with a very low priced piece of land and built each month with cash. It took us 5 years, but now the only thing we 'have' to do is feed our animals and put the food I grow in jars. Most of that retirement check now gets stuck in another jar (because I flat our refuse to have it taxed again and again and again through investments or because I might save 'too much' of it).




stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 8:51 PM
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It's not supposed to be just one person, kailu.

What you are failing to understand is that the poorest people work and put money into the economy.  They keep it moving. The way things have been going, the money has been moving from our hands to the uber richest people's hands.  And they are not spending it and moving the economy with it.  Because they are a few thousand people, if that.  They are sending it out so it can't be taxed. 

You are underestimating the importance of a solid middle class.  It MUST exist or it's kjust gonna be the poor and the rich.  And you will be one of the poor no matter how hard you work.

Do you think large corporations have suffered in say the past 10 years?  Do you think the richest people's income has improved more, or the poorest?  Do you think that corporate profits have suffered since the this jobless recovery, and that is why they haven't been hiring people?

Let me tell you.  Corporate profits as a whole are HUGE.  Some of the highest ever seen.  This was in '09 and '10.  The deepest dredges of the recession.  These huge corporate profits, extremely low taxes, why didn't they hire?  Oh yes.  They didn't NEED to.  So they didn't.  Nor would I expect them to.  Butt acting like corporate hiring can be controlled with tax breaks is ridiculous.

"The Commerce Department last week reduced its estimates of economic growth in 2010 and early 2011. At the same time, it said corporate income was much better than it had thought. Using newly available data from 2009 corporate tax returns, the department raised its estimates of corporate profits by 8.3 percent for 2009 and 10.8 percent for 2010.

The new figures indicate that corporate profits accounted for 14 percent of the total national income in 2010, the highest proportion ever recorded. The previous peak, of 13.6 percent, was set in 1942 when the need for war materials filled the order books of companies at the same time as the government imposed wage and price controls, holding down the costs companies had to pay.

In the first quarter of 2011, the latest figures available, the new estimates indicate corporate profits accounted for 14.2 percent of national income, well above the 13.1 percent that had previously been estimated." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/06/business/workers-wages-chasing-corporate-profits-off-the-charts.html (sorry can't add link.)

Now lets take a look at the improvement in income for people.  Who do you think increased wages?  Would it be the people, who according to you, are lazily whining for the newest iphone?  Looks like those people are making less than they were last year.  And the uber rich?  They gained 93% of the benefit of the stronger economy.

WASHINGTON — Income inequality has soared to the highest levels since the Great Depression, and the recession has done little to reverse the trend, with the top 1 percent of earners taking 93 percentof the income gains in the first full year of the recovery.

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The yawning gap between the haves and the have-nots — and the political questions that gap has raised about the plight of the middle class — has given rise to anti-Wall Street sentiment and animated the presidential campaign. Now, a growing body of economic research suggests that it might mean lower levels of economic growth and slower job creation in the years ahead, as well.

“Growth becomes more fragile” in countries with high levels of inequality like the United States, said Jonathan D. Ostry of the International Monetary Fund, whose research suggests that the widening disparity since the 1980s might shorten the nation’s economic expansions by as much as a third.

Reducing inequality and bolstering growth, in the long run, might be “two sides of the same coin,” research published last year by the I.M.F. concluded.

Since the 1980s, rich households in the United States have earned a larger and larger share of overall income. The 1 percent earns about one-sixth of all income and the top 10 percent about half, according to statistics compiled by the respected economistsEmmanuel Saez of the University of California, Berkeley and Thomas Piketty of the Paris School of Economics.

For years, economists have thought of such inequality in part as a side effect of policies that fostered the country’s economic dynamism — its tax preferences for investment income, for instance. And organizations like the World Bank and the I.M.F., which is based in Washington, have generally not tackled inequality in the world head on.

But economists’ thinking has changed sharply in recent years. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development this year warned about the “negative consequences” of the country’s high levels of pay inequality, and suggested an aggressive series of changes to tax and spending programs to tackle it.

Think about it, Kailu.  The facts are, if we continue on like this, with these policies, you and me will be nothing...our kids will have no chance to earn more than us.  They will not move to a higher income bracket or a better life.  As a matter of fact, things will get worse for them if things continue on the way they have.

So quit feeling sorry and scared about the people who have done nothing but gain.  Start looking at the people who have worked hard and gained nothing.  Lost.  And decide what effect do our policies have on this issue?  What are the PROVEN results of flatter taxes?  What are the PROVEN results of letting one small portion of our country use up our public resources?

Just drop this "oh my god, they will leave and then what?"

They ALREADY left.  They ALREADY took the money out of the economy.  Now it's time to make sure that we don't hand them any more on a silver platter, all while sniveling and bowing at their feet for a chance to work full time, and still not make enough to get off food stamps.

Quoting kailu1835:

I certainly don't have the money to make this country work.  Do you?

Quoting stacymomof2:

So you are just going to sit back and LET them?  Why?  Do you really think they are more important?  You just bought the line.

Quoting kailu1835:

I didn't say the republicans run the country.  I said the people with the money do. 

Quoting stacymomof2:

Oh and by the way, the Republicans don't run the country.  And we are already on the way to third world status...we already got most of it down...concentrate the money and political power into the hands of a tiny minority and scream about cutting people's food stamps because they are just too lazy.  Hey guess what you call a country when you have the wealth and power concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority and cut people off from social services?  A fucking third world country.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.






stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:00 PM
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Whatever.  Not everything has to be a giant chain to make the world work.  And there's no way all those places will close...come on.  You are just parroting what you are hearing from corporate lobbyists.  No, not everyone can build a business.  But small businesses employ people.  And if you have 15 stores in town selling stuff that used to all be sold at Wal Mart, they are hiring the same amount of people to get the job done.

Quoting kailu1835:

Well let's see... Safeway, QFC, Albertsons, Fred Meyers, Walmart... all big corporations.  There are very few small town grocery stores left anymore.  I never said all the jobs would be gone, but if the big corporations, and the people who owned them, decided to stop, or move out of the country, there would be very little jobs left, and we truly would be third world.  It's great that you would have the ability to build your own business, but many will not have the funds to do so.  And who will buy your services when nobody has any money because of the lack of any work?  I suppose we could go to a barter system...

Quoting stacymomof2:

There are only around 350 million total population in this country, but anyway.

My job won't go away.  Lots of jobs won't go away.  We still need grocery stores, services, restaurants, drug stores, etc etc etc.  

And if it does go away, maybe I will build my OWN business.  Because there would be a big hole left by whoever wants to leave because we aren't bowing down like they are gods.

My goodness, are you that scared?  Why?  It's not like the economy is so grand anyway.  Lets build it up!  It's not anger, or bitterness, or anything.  If a big business can't compete on an even playing field with a small business, let them go.

Quoting kailu1835:

And when you and billions of others in this country all lose their jobs as a direct result, don't come whining to me.

Quoting nb34:

Let them leave. As if they are creating real jobs. Give me a break. All they are doing is exploiting people, polluting our environment and complaining about paying taxes. As if they are doing anyone except their own pockets any favors. They are upset now because the American people have figured them out.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.






frogbender
by Captain Underpants on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:03 PM
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For a young person starting off, minimum wage is a livable wage, until they are able to work up the ladder, be they in college or not. We still need blue collar workers in this country, whether you agree or not. You need to research the rising cost of living and the effect the wealthy have had on raising this in formally inexpensive rural areas where wages weren't always very high. Your view seems to be rather...limited.

Quoting kailu1835:

Minimum wage was NEVER intended for someone to make a living off of it.  You need to research the minimum wage, and the effects of raising it.

Quoting frogbender:

OFFS. Seriously? Raising minimum wage made it possible for people to eek out an existence amidst the problem of rising cost of living...something that the wealthy had a small hand in. 

Quoting kailu1835:

That would be thanks to the minimum wage being raised.  People used to pay $10/hr for experienced/educated work, and $6/hr for minimum wage/entry level.  The same person who could afford those two salaries cannot afford to pay the increased salary for $10/hr to an entry level person with no experience, and $14/hr or more for a higher level position.  Raising the minimum wage hurt everyone across the board.

Quoting Friday:





stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM
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The part that pisses me off is that people saying this stuff are insulting us...ME and YOU.  Yet plenty of people have somehow convinced themselves that they are talking about someone ELSE.  Those other poor food stamp people with lobster in their cart and an iphone and a coach bag.  they aren't.  They are talking abut YOU.

Dzyre1115
by Silver Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM

 I don't blame anyone, the majority wanted this president back, hopefully that works out for them......

Friday
by HRH of MJ on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:31 PM
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Quoting kailu1835:

Why is it being slaves to anyone simply because we understand that those that have money are what make this country run?  Without the wealthy, all those social services people love so much would be completely nonexistent.  When I say they "run the country" I mean that they fund EVERYTHING.  The top 10% are paying 95% of all income tax.  If you're on any form of public assistance, you are benefiting from that top 10%, and the money they worked for and are being taxed on.

There is more to job creation than taxes.  It also has to do with the strictest regulations to date being inforced on them.

Quoting stacymomof2:

Well I disagree with swallowing the line that we have to give them whatever they want otherwise our country will go under.   Why are we slaves to the "job creators?"  You mean the jobs that pay minimum wage?  The non existant ones?  They haven't created any more jobs with lower taxes than they ever did with higher taxes.  That is a FACT.  Jobs are created when they need people.  Not because it's slightly cheaper than usual to do business.

Quoting kailu1835:

That's what I'm doing.

Quoting stacymomof2:

Sorry you have such a poor opinion of the US populace.  But you are wrong.  My entire life I have worked for people who make less than 250 or 300 thousand a year.  They wouldn't go anywhere, and they employ 30-40 people.  You think Target will go away?  Wal Mart?  pssshhht.  Hell no.  Just FYI, everyone else already left.

 Get some guts and stand up for yourself and our country.

Quoting kailu1835:

The poor never created any jobs.  The wealthy leave, all that will be left will be the people depending on them to pay their way, and the entire system will collapse with noone to finance it.

Quoting stacymomof2:

I'm sick of the fuck you attitude they are giving ME.  What about that?

Let them freaking leave.  Open up the market for some real entrepeneurship.

They are leaving anyway, because they are mad that they can't pollute and pay slave wages.  Good riddance.  Meanwhile let them manufacture all they want somewhere else...we can just give tax breaks to those who stay, and tax goods they try to import.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.







Without consumers spending money on the rich folks products or services, the rich wouldn't be. W/o the peons to work at their companies and help consumers get or use those products and services the rich wouldn't be making profits.

If the rich all went away then people would figure things out and some would come up.

It takes all of us to make it work. W/o money to spend consumers won't buy things to make or keep the rich, rich. If consumers aren't buying, no amount of tax breaks will goad employers into hiring people they don't need.

This almost worship of the wealthy and dollar that so many in this country have, is part of our problem, IMO.

I understand the concerns about regulations and agree with the need to review and streamline them but w/o them we end up like China. W/o a livable environment, none of this means dick.


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Friday
by HRH of MJ on Nov. 13, 2012 at 9:36 PM
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Quoting kailu1835:

Don't worry, I'm not saying all of this is absolutely going to happen.  It's all hypotheticals of what could happen if the wealthy people all get fed up with the fuck you attitude from the people they're paying for.  If you go back and look at history, socialism has always failed, and miserably.  Entire civilizations have collapsed. 

Quoting timeforprogress:

Those stores are not all going to close. I used to think you were more rational than this.

Quoting kailu1835:

Well let's see... Safeway, QFC, Albertsons, Fred Meyers, Walmart... all big corporations.  There are very few small town grocery stores left anymore.  I never said all the jobs would be gone, but if the big corporations, and the people who owned them, decided to stop, or move out of the country, there would be very little jobs left, and we truly would be third world.  It's great that you would have the ability to build your own business, but many will not have the funds to do so.  And who will buy your services when nobody has any money because of the lack of any work?  I suppose we could go to a barter system...

Quoting stacymomof2:

There are only around 350 million total population in this country, but anyway.

My job won't go away.  Lots of jobs won't go away.  We still need grocery stores, services, restaurants, drug stores, etc etc etc.  

And if it does go away, maybe I will build my OWN business.  Because there would be a big hole left by whoever wants to leave because we aren't bowing down like they are gods.

My goodness, are you that scared?  Why?  It's not like the economy is so grand anyway.  Lets build it up!  It's not anger, or bitterness, or anything.  If a big business can't compete on an even playing field with a small business, let them go.

Quoting kailu1835:

And when you and billions of others in this country all lose their jobs as a direct result, don't come whining to me.

Quoting nb34:

Let them leave. As if they are creating real jobs. Give me a break. All they are doing is exploiting people, polluting our environment and complaining about paying taxes. As if they are doing anyone except their own pockets any favors. They are upset now because the American people have figured them out.

Quoting kailu1835:

Oh, are we back to hating the people who make this country run?  That's fine.  When they all leave because they're sick of the "fuck you" attitude people keep showing them, you all are going to wonder why we've gone back to being third world.






I'm not for Socialism but as far as I know there has never been a truly Socialist nation. Dictators who play Socialism so they can take what they want and give the people the bare minimum to survive but no true Socialist Nations.

I've read some of the Northern European nations are quite Socialist and doing pretty well with high rates of citizen happiness.


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MamiJaAyla
by Member on Nov. 13, 2012 at 10:35 PM
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let me preface with admitting that I have not read all or most of the comments BUT I must interject to correct all those who say that with the wealthy goes the country...

Historically its been... without the MIDDLE CLASS goes the country... and ladies the middle class HAS been disappering.  What was once middle class is now sinking into poverty being crushed by either side.  THe gap b/w rich and regular has never been bigger and those who have "stereotypically" been considered middle class can no longer really call themselves that b/c they don't have that lifestyle for real.

And that is NOT thanks to Obama that's been coming for a LONG time.. it hasn't been in the last 4 year its been slowly being suffocated and crushed for a while .... by uber big companies, by tax breaks for those companies not available to the smaller guy, through the disappearence of mom and pop, the out sourcing of factory and union jobs, the cutting of pay and disposable income of teachers, cops etc.

Everybody is aiming for those they percieve on top and the bottom but HISTORICALLY ITS THE MIDDLE... WHEN the Middle goes the country collapses....

that's whats ruined communist countries (not the lack of "rich" and priv. they were still there but the crushing of the middle) back in the time of the Inquisitions Spain collapsed b/c it got rid of its Jews... the mainstay of the middle class, Cuba... the rich guys didn't come out and make it... its mostly the middle class that came over dug in and rebuild.

but keep aiming up and down and staying blind....

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