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According to Ron Paul

In Final Address, Ron Paul Declares ‘Our Constitution Has Failed’



In a 52-minute address that will likely be his last in Congress, Texas Representative Ron Paul has declared America’s Constitution a failure.


“Our Constitution, which was intended to limit government power and abuse, has failed,” the Republican representative said. “The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people. The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified.”

ABC News reports that for Libertarian-leaning Ron Paul, the “current crisis” includes the recession, as well as government breaches in authority and restrictions on individual liberty. Paul, 77, is retiring from Congress at the end of the current term after severing several stints, adding up to 23 years, in the House of Representatives. He has been in Congress consecutively since 1997.

“This may well be the last time I speak on the House Floor, Paul began. “At the end of the year I’ll leave Congress after 23 years in office over a 36 year period. My goals in 1976 were the same as they are today: promote peace and prosperity by a strict adherence to the principles of individual liberty.”

According to The Blaze, Paul’s remarks seemed to acknowledge that he fell short of success in those goals.

“In spite of my efforts, the government has grown exponentially, taxes remain excessive, and the prolific increase of incomprehensible regulations continues,” Paul said. “Wars are constant and pursued without congressional declaration, deficits rise to the sky, poverty is rampant and dependency on the federal government is now worse than any time in our history.”

One of the things Paul laments in his farewell address to Congress is the lack of morality, and the decline of religion among Americans. This, he claims, is part of why our Constitution has failed.

“The Founders were convinced that a free society could not exist without a moral people,” Representative Ron Paul said.” Just writing rules won’t work if the people choose to ignore them. Today the rule of law written in the Constitution has little meaning for most Americans, especially those who work in Washington DC. Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” John Adams concurred: “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Paul, who’s son Rand Paul currently serves as a US Senator from Kentucky, has inspired a generation of voters and politicians, but still has failed to generate mainstream support in three presidential bids. With his time in Congress winding down, Paul seemed resigned to the fact that neither side of the aisle had heard his message. Just as he had throughout his career, however, Paul delivered in nonetheless.

“I have come to one firm conviction after these many years of trying to figure out ‘the plain truth of things.’ The best chance for achieving peace and prosperity, for the maximum number of people worldwide, is to pursue the cause of LIBERTY. If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.”


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by on Nov. 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM
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Quoting kailu1835:

And this is probably why Obama is trying to rewright it. Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”


 In ZERO ways has the POTUS ever tried to change ANYTHING in the Constitution

Bush wanted too....t add his own religious bigotry...

But in NO WAY has Obama tried to re-write it

as for it being MORAL ....umm....the SLAVE trade wasn't moral in any way shaoe or form, treating women like property or a second class citizen is in no way moral

lga1965
by Ruby Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM
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Some of the kindest, more moral people have never read the Bible.
And some of the most selfish and prejudiced and harmful people are at church every Sunday, reading Scripture.


Quoting cammibear:

Of course I completely disagree. :)

Human reasoning leads to atrocities. Absolute standards of right and wrong keep flawed human reasoning in check.



But I know you do not believe the Bible to be Gods Revelation to man. So this conversation is going nowhere. I'm okay with that.




Quoting krysstizzle:

Your so-called "absolute standard" IS "human reasoning". Man created these standards, even the biblical ones. And judging by the atrocities carried out by various religions throughout time, those standards/morals aren't working so well.

Quoting cammibear:

Again, your missing my point. All those terrible things happened, but because we had a moral standard, we had reason to fight to end those things that didn't measure up.





As long as there are people, there will be evil. As long as there is an absolute standard by which to measure right and wrong, there will be reason to fight to attain to that high standard.





What standard but flawed human reasoning do we have to measure moral standards today?








Quoting krysstizzle:

So when was this again, specifically? Was it when half the country owned slaves because of state sanctioned slavery? Or when  entire cultures were slaughtered and treated like vermin because of "manifest destiny"? Maybe it was when we forced children to work 15 hour days in stifling factories. Or when we forced those with disabilities into boxes in asylums and forgot about them. Or do you mean later? Like when we forced Japanese immigrants into concentration camps because we were paranoid. Or perhaps when the CIA was routinely involved in dark of the night experiments on unsuspecting citizens, like MK Ultra or the shamefullness at Tuskeegee. Or was it when women weren't allowed to vote and were treated as second class citizens?

Well? Sounds pretty goddamn moral to me . Pshaw.


Quoting cammibear:

Believe it or not there was a time when a persons character was important, when our society had a moral standard that the people could strive for.







There's never been and never will be the utopian society where all people are moral and responsible. However, in our postmodern world where everything is relative, and everything is shades of grey, we have no moral standard to strive for. As a country, we cannot discern good and evil, in fact, things that used to be evil are now good, and things that used to be good, are now evil. We are self-destructing.











Quoting sweet-a-kins:

When specifically were we a moral society? What year was is?









Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.










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cammibear
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.

Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong


Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.



Quoting motha2daDuchess:


 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised



Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.




Quoting motha2daDuchess:



 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?




Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.



 




 



 


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motha2daDuchess
by Bruja on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.

Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong


Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.



Quoting motha2daDuchess:


 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised



Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.




Quoting motha2daDuchess:



 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?




Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.



 




 



 



cammibear
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM
That's pretty irrelevant to anything I have said.
I never said you had to be a Christian or go to church to be a good moral person.

I'm talking about a moral standard, not about who does or does not attain to it.


Quoting lga1965:

Some of the kindest, more moral people have never read the Bible.

And some of the most selfish and prejudiced and harmful people are at church every Sunday, reading Scripture.




Quoting cammibear:

Of course I completely disagree. :)


Human reasoning leads to atrocities. Absolute standards of right and wrong keep flawed human reasoning in check.





But I know you do not believe the Bible to be Gods Revelation to man. So this conversation is going nowhere. I'm okay with that.






Quoting krysstizzle:

Your so-called "absolute standard" IS "human reasoning". Man created these standards, even the biblical ones. And judging by the atrocities carried out by various religions throughout time, those standards/morals aren't working so well.

Quoting cammibear:

Again, your missing my point. All those terrible things happened, but because we had a moral standard, we had reason to fight to end those things that didn't measure up.







As long as there are people, there will be evil. As long as there is an absolute standard by which to measure right and wrong, there will be reason to fight to attain to that high standard.







What standard but flawed human reasoning do we have to measure moral standards today?











Quoting krysstizzle:

So when was this again, specifically? Was it when half the country owned slaves because of state sanctioned slavery? Or when  entire cultures were slaughtered and treated like vermin because of "manifest destiny"? Maybe it was when we forced children to work 15 hour days in stifling factories. Or when we forced those with disabilities into boxes in asylums and forgot about them. Or do you mean later? Like when we forced Japanese immigrants into concentration camps because we were paranoid. Or perhaps when the CIA was routinely involved in dark of the night experiments on unsuspecting citizens, like MK Ultra or the shamefullness at Tuskeegee. Or was it when women weren't allowed to vote and were treated as second class citizens?

Well? Sounds pretty goddamn moral to me . Pshaw.


Quoting cammibear:

Believe it or not there was a time when a persons character was important, when our society had a moral standard that the people could strive for.









There's never been and never will be the utopian society where all people are moral and responsible. However, in our postmodern world where everything is relative, and everything is shades of grey, we have no moral standard to strive for. As a country, we cannot discern good and evil, in fact, things that used to be evil are now good, and things that used to be good, are now evil. We are self-destructing.














Quoting sweet-a-kins:

When specifically were we a moral society? What year was is?











Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.













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cammibear
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Considering all issues pertaining to religion were states rights issues, it wasn't necessary to have religion in the middle of our national government. Our Constitution protects our right to freedom of religion from government and from a national religion.

Religion and God and moral standards were all in the state constitutions.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.



Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong



Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.




Quoting motha2daDuchess:



 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised




Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:




 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?





Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.




 





 




 





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motha2daDuchess
by Bruja on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:36 AM

freedom of and FROM, there is seperation of church and state, because there are different religions, so that is not supposed to be a consideration. 

Quoting cammibear:

Considering all issues pertaining to religion were states rights issues, it wasn't necessary to have religion in the middle of our national government. Our Constitution protects our right to freedom of religion from government and from a national religion.

Religion and God and moral standards were all in the state constitutions.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.



Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong



Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.




Quoting motha2daDuchess:



 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised




Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:




 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?





Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.




 





 




 






cammibear
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM
Nope. Separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution. It's not even implied. That was invented, and has done great harm to the original intent of the Constitution and the right to freedom of religion. The Bill of Rights were limitations placed on government. Period.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

freedom of and FROM, there is seperation of church and state, because there are different religions, so that is not supposed to be a consideration. 

Quoting cammibear:

Considering all issues pertaining to religion were states rights issues, it wasn't necessary to have religion in the middle of our national government. Our Constitution protects our right to freedom of religion from government and from a national religion.



Religion and God and moral standards were all in the state constitutions.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.





Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.








Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong




Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:




 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised





Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.






Quoting motha2daDuchess:





 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?






Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.





 






 





 









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motha2daDuchess
by Bruja on Nov. 16, 2012 at 12:59 AM

There is a seperation and there needs to be, I would vote for an Athiest, way before I voted for someone like Paul Ryan..because there I know where I stand, and that is the truth of it.

Quoting cammibear:

Nope. Separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution. It's not even implied. That was invented, and has done great harm to the original intent of the Constitution and the right to freedom of religion. The Bill of Rights were limitations placed on government. Period.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

freedom of and FROM, there is seperation of church and state, because there are different religions, so that is not supposed to be a consideration. 

Quoting cammibear:

Considering all issues pertaining to religion were states rights issues, it wasn't necessary to have religion in the middle of our national government. Our Constitution protects our right to freedom of religion from government and from a national religion.



Religion and God and moral standards were all in the state constitutions.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.





Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.








Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong




Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:




 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised





Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.






Quoting motha2daDuchess:





 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?






Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.





 






 





 










ashleyrenee24
by Ashley on Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM

There really is a separation of Church and state. The first amendment is not just about the freedom of speech.

Quoting motha2daDuchess:

There is a seperation and there needs to be, I would vote for an Athiest, way before I voted for someone like Paul Ryan..because there I know where I stand, and that is the truth of it.

Quoting cammibear:

Nope. Separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution. It's not even implied. That was invented, and has done great harm to the original intent of the Constitution and the right to freedom of religion. The Bill of Rights were limitations placed on government. Period.


Quoting motha2daDuchess:

freedom of and FROM, there is seperation of church and state, because there are different religions, so that is not supposed to be a consideration. 

Quoting cammibear:

Considering all issues pertaining to religion were states rights issues, it wasn't necessary to have religion in the middle of our national government. Our Constitution protects our right to freedom of religion from government and from a national religion.



Religion and God and moral standards were all in the state constitutions.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:

To say that the forefathers wanted religion in the middle of government is wrong, the bible was a book written by men and is the worse game of "telephone" ever...For you to try and make the bridge of religion and government shows that you are one of the ones that was being addressed:

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. 
Edmund Burke, 

Quoting cammibear:

Well, that's the point. Our Founders believed the laws of nature and natures God was the source of our moral standard and our civil government. Whether you are a Christian, an atheist, or anything in between, you benefit from a standard that is above and out of the reach of the whims of man. If your freedom comes from God, then no man has the right to take that freedom away.





Notice how as we move away from God as the source, we also move away from being a moral and responsible people, and move away from liberty and freedom, and away from the rights our Constitution is suppose to protect. It is no coincidence. Our Founders were geniuses, and our current leaders are power hungry idiots. Our Constitution has failed because we keep electing these idiots that trample our Constitution and our freedoms and are not held accountable by the people.








Quoting motha2daDuchess:

 ok, so with your definition, then who decides what is right or wrong




Quoting cammibear:

MORALITY-
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

To be able to measure morality, there must be standards to measure them by.





Quoting motha2daDuchess:




 so you don't have a "REAL" answer, can't say I'm surprised





Quoting cammibear:

Revisionist history at it's finest.






Quoting motha2daDuchess:





 morality meaning what? a theocratic patriarchial antiqued mind set?






Quoting cammibear:

He's 100% accurate. Our Constitution HAS failed, right along with the morality of the people. Guess our Framers were right on. You reap what you sow, and we have sown our own destruction as a free country. Our Founders died in vain because we have come full circle.





 






 





 











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