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Judge Sentences Teen To Church

Posted by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 1:54 AM
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Judge Sentences Teen to Church

Anybody who knows Oklahoma District Court Judge Mike Norman probably yawned at the news that he'd sentenced a teen offender to attend church as part of his probation arrangement, and that the judge's pastor was in the courtroom at the time.

Not only had he handed down such a sentence before, but he'd required one man to bring the church program back with him when he reported to court.

"The Lord works in many ways," Norman, 69, told ABC News today. "I've done a little bit of this kind of thing before, but never on such a serious charge."

Norman sentenced Tyler Alred, 17, Tuesday after he pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter in August for killing friend and passenger John Luke Dum in a car crash.

Dum died on impact in December after Alred crashed his Chevrolet pickup truck, ejecting Dum. Alred was 16 at the time of the crash and had been drinking prior to the deadly accident.

Oklahoma Highway Patrol issued a Breathalyzer at the time, and although Alred was under the state's legal alcohol limit, he had been drinking underage.

The judge could have sent Alred to jail but, instead, taking into account his clean criminal and school records, sentenced him to wear a drug and alcohol bracelet, participate in counseling groups and attend a church of his choosing - weekly. He must also graduate from high school.

To avoid jail time, Norman gave Alred a maximum 10-year deferred sentence.

He'd never passed down the church-attendance requirement for someone as young as Alred, said Norman, who has worked as a district Judge in Muskogee for 14 years.

"It's not going to be automatic, I guarantee you," Norman said of the church sentence on future manslaughter charges. "There are a lot of people who say I can't do what I did. They're telling me I can't legally sentence someone to church."

Alred's lawyer is not among the critics. "I usually represent outlaws and criminals," defense attorney Donn Baker told the Muskogee Phoenix . "This is a kid that made a mistake. I think he's worth saving."

In the courtroom this week, an emotional scene between the victim's family and Alred played out after statements from Dum's mother, father and two sisters were read during the sentencing. Dum's father and Alred stood up in court, turned toward each other and embraced one another.

"At that moment, it sure became a reality to me that I would sentence this boy to church" to help set him on the right path, Norman, a member of First Baptist Church in Muskogee, said. "There's nothing I can do to make this up to the family.

"I told my preacher I thought I led more people to Jesus than he had but, then again, more of my people have amnesia. They soon forget once they get out of jail."

After completing the rest of the requirements in his sentence, Alred will have the charge removed from his record.

"Only time will tell if we've saved Tyler Alred's life," the judge said.

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_Kissy_
by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 1:55 AM
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Oh, that's just cruel and unusual punishment.

Arroree
by Ruby Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 1:57 AM
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From what i've read it seems the teen was ALREADY a member of a church, so if he's already a member and he still did what he did what makes the judge think MORE church will make a difference??

Growing up attending church there were members who were addicted to drugs/alcohol/gambling/sex/etc, there were members who were spousal abusers, child abusers, child molestors, rapists and yes even murderers. So what in the world makes this guy think that going to church will make this teen a better person? 

In my experience no amount of church will change a person or make them a better or worse person, it just makes them who they are as they sit in a pew.

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 2:56 AM
Yup
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Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Three comments.


1. From the lawyer Donn Baker  to the judge:

“The issue you have, judge, is whether we’re going to destroy two lives,” Baker said. “One we can’t do anything about. The other, like they said, you’re the judge, so it’s up to you.

“I usually represent outlaws, and criminals. This is a kid that made a mistake. Judge, I think he’s worth saving.”



2.  From the criminal's sister, Karrissa Alred on facebook:

"People really do just kill me. If your not happy with what my brother got then guess what? NOT SORRY. We're you the judge today? I think not, then you need to shut your mouth up. Looks like your words meant NOTHING. How dare you sit and talk trash about my brother. And how dare you even have the NERVE to come today. He will not mess up, YOU will. And God and everyone will be there to witness it. We are happy for what he got, he deserved that, and if you don't like it you can shove it, because you are so low that YOU don't matter. You keep your comments to yourself, and leave us out of it. Until your a judge you **** ****. And you better believe that if we were friends on Facebook I'd tag your **** so good. I hope someone sees this and they show you and when they do, YOU CONTACT ME. People these days, just makes God that much easier to place you. It's pitiful."


3.  From a friend of the dead guy, Peter Lee:

John was my best friend since preschool. Being at court the day they said he only received 10 years parole was like a shot in the heart of justice. He never once apologized to John's family, friends, or anybody. His lawyer tried to take blame for that saying he told him not to do so. His lawyer also tried to smear the name of John's brothers, saying "They came to Alred's house, and didn't leave when his sister told them to." Making it seem as though they came over for a scuffle. John's car was at Tyler's house, and of course along with picking it up, they sought answers. I think the "Restrictions" given to Tyler serve no justice, anybody can fake their way through the things they restrict him to. I feel no justice and am still outraged, hurt, and lost the day of trial. It seems as though the judge felt no sympathy for the Dum family.


olivejuice2
by Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 3:44 AM
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A judge is a public servant and therefore has no business requiring anyone to go to church under penalty of the law. Being religious ournot really has no beating on a persons character or morals- there are lots of generous, law abiding, and respectable atheists and there are lots of criminal, selfish, and abusing religious people. It is not for a public employee to push religion on the public. The judges religion belongs in his private life, not in the courtroom.
turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Nov. 17, 2012 at 4:27 AM
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 what a load of BULLSHIT....how the hell does a friggin judge deal out his own beliefs onto another?  How is that even legal.

Im sure if me being an athiest and the mother of the child killed....Im sure Id be happy with that.

Im more than likely to go make that judge meet his maker.

Arroree
by Ruby Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

My feelings exactly.

Quoting olivejuice2:

A judge is a public servant and therefore has no business requiring anyone to go to church under penalty of the law. Being religious ournot really has no beating on a persons character or morals- there are lots of generous, law abiding, and respectable atheists and there are lots of criminal, selfish, and abusing religious people. It is not for a public employee to push religion on the public. The judges religion belongs in his private life, not in the courtroom.


momtoscott
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 6:33 AM
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 Repulsive.  Sentence him to doing a bunch of community service hours instead, it would be a much better use of this kid's time. 

rfurlongg
by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 8:54 AM
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Forcing religion. That has worked so well in the past. I think the judge needs some history lessons.
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Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 9:08 AM
The second quote isn't very Christian in my Jewish opinion. The third quote just about broke my heart.

G-d forbid, chas v'shalom, chas v'chalilah, my DD one day drinks & drives & accidently kills a friend, I don't know what I would want the consequences to be for her. I certainly hope that she never does such a thing since I've been a victim of a drunk driver & have a MADD ribbon on my car. I certainly hope that I will have raised her better than that. However, I also know that no human's brain is fully developed at 16yo & the frontal lobe, which controls impulses, is the last part to develop. So, teens do stupid things on impulse. & I can't say what I would want her consequence to be for vehicular manslaughter. Not Christian church, as we are Jewish. Not synagogue either, as I believe in the 1st Amendment not allowing the State to establish religion.


Quoting Clairwil:

Three comments.


1. From the lawyer Donn Baker  to the judge:

“The issue you have, judge, is whether we’re going to destroy two
lives,” Baker said. “One we can’t do anything about. The other, like
they said, you’re the judge, so it’s up to you.


“I usually represent outlaws, and criminals. This is a kid that made a mistake. Judge, I think he’s worth saving.”



2.  From the criminal's sister, Karrissa Alred on facebook:



"People really do just kill me. If your not happy with what my brother
got then guess what? NOT SORRY. We're you the judge today? I think not,
then you need to shut your mouth up. Looks like your words meant
NOTHING. How dare you sit and talk trash about my brother. And how dare
you even have the NERVE to come today. He will not mess up, YOU will.
And God and everyone will be there to witness it. We are happy for what
he got, he deserved that, and if you don't like it you can shove it,
because you are so low that YOU don't matter. You keep your comments to
yourself, and leave us out of it. Until your a judge you **** ****. And
you better believe that if we were friends on Facebook I'd tag your ****
so good. I hope someone sees this and they show you and when they do,
YOU CONTACT ME. People these days, just makes God that much easier to
place you. It's pitiful."


3.  From a friend of the dead guy, Peter Lee:

John was my best friend since preschool. Being at court the day they said
he only received 10 years parole was like a shot in the heart of
justice. He never once apologized to John's family, friends, or anybody.
His lawyer tried to take blame for that saying he told him not to do
so. His lawyer also tried to smear the name of John's brothers, saying
"They came to Alred's house, and didn't leave when his sister told them
to." Making it seem as though they came over for a scuffle. John's car
was at Tyler's house, and of course along with picking it up, they
sought answers. I think the "Restrictions" given to Tyler serve no
justice, anybody can fake their way through the things they restrict him
to. I feel no justice and am still outraged, hurt, and lost the day of
trial. It seems as though the judge felt no sympathy for the Dum family.



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