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Pagan mom not allowed to hand out lit at school...

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after her son brought home a Bible that was given to him at school.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088912/Pagan-mothers-fury-son-brings-home-Bible-school-witchcraft-books-banned.html

A school is being accused of not letting students practice religious freedom after they refused to let a pagan student's mother give out spell books, despite allowing bibles to be distributed.

Ginger Strivelli, from North Carolina, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.

She challenged the school about distributing the books, which were donated by the local Gideon group, and has prompted the Buncombe County Board of Education to reevaluate its policies regarding religious texts.

The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.

But when Mrs Strivelli showed up at the school with Pagan spell books, she was turned away, despite being assured by the principal the school would make available religious texts donated by any group. 

School: North Windy Ridge intermediate school where children were given Gideon bibles

School: North Windy Ridge intermediate school where children were given Gideon bibles

The district announced in  statement: 'Buncombe County School officials are currently reviewing relevant policies and practices with school board attorneys. 

 

'During this review period, no school in the system will be accepting donations of materials that could be viewed as advocating a particular religion or belief.'

Debate: The handing out of bibles in the school has dragged it into controversy about religious freedom

Debate: The handing out of bibles in the school has dragged it into controversy about religious freedom

The First Amendment gives public schools two clear choices when it comes to the distribution of religious texts.

Michael Broyde, a professor and senior fellow at Emory University's Center for the Study of Law and Religion told Fox News: 'You can either open your public school up to all religious material, or you can say no religious material.

'You can't say, "You can distribute religious material, but only from the good mainstream faiths".

'America runs a grand, noble experiment in religious diversity without violence. There's no killing of the Jews. There's no Catholic-Protestant violence. We are very successful in this grand experiment.'

Ms Strivelli agrees with this stance that it should be all or nothing and said she found many others who agreeds: 'Many Christians have stood up and said they agree with me too. Because, as much as they may like the Bible, they don't want Jehovah's Witnesses coming in with Watch Tower (magazines) or Catholics coming in and having them pray the Rosary.'



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by on Nov. 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM
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AlekD
by Gold Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM
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I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.

Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.


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blues_pagan
by on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I have read a lot of Crowley as well as others.  Once again, why shouldn't it be distributed at a public school?

Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.

Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.



mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

why, I disagree with you, I've read Crowley, it has much right to be distributed in school as the bible does.

There is nothing wrong with Crowley by the way.

Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.

Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.



AlekD
by Gold Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM
You need to ask why Diary of a Drug Fiend wouldn't exactly be appropriate for school?

Quoting blues_pagan:

I have read a lot of Crowley as well as others.  Once again, why shouldn't it be distributed at a public school?

Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.



Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.



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LavenderMom23
by Bronze Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Because the book needs to be backed by a majority, to be sure content is accurate to that faith. Maybe your book is legit, but where is the rule/standard to know without an official text? Now if you could get a local religious leader to approve it that is like a High Priest or fills a smiliar role to approve it, then cool drop it off in the office. Definitely not upset about it being pagan. Just need a standard.

Quoting blues_pagan:

So just because Pagans don't have an "official" book means that we have no grounds to try to distribute materials in the same way?  I have a great book called Druid Magic that teaches people about the "magical" side of Pagan Druidism as well as the historical side.  Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring that in to leave out if the school allows Bibles?

Quoting LavenderMom23:

It wasn't like they passed the Bibles out in classrooms. It was very respectful, the bibles were left for interested students. Students that took the time to walk themselves into the office. So I would not say they distributed these bibles. They were simply 'made available'. And how many students would voluntarily go in and pick one up? Not many in my area. I would have been okay with all religions dropping off their 'official' book if they have one and this gal could easily have been dismissed bc pagans don't have an official book. It's not about indoctrinating kids, its about supplying materials to those that already want it. Now if they advertised that this was the truth or passed them out it would be a different story.



blues_pagan
by on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM
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That book is a work of fiction.  I take it you also want Catcher in the Rye taken out of schools as well?

Quoting AlekD:

You need to ask why Diary of a Drug Fiend wouldn't exactly be appropriate for school?

Quoting blues_pagan:

I have read a lot of Crowley as well as others.  Once again, why shouldn't it be distributed at a public school?

Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.



Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.




blues_pagan
by on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM
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Need a standard?  On a religion that is mainly based on oral tradition.  Wow, way to eliminate that possibility.  

You do realize that many of the people writing these books have PhD's and other forms of education in metaphysics and religion/theology.

Quoting LavenderMom23:

Because the book needs to be backed by a majority, to be sure content is accurate to that faith. Maybe your book is legit, but where is the rule/standard to know without an official text? Now if you could get a local religious leader to approve it that is like a High Priest or fills a smiliar role to approve it, then cool drop it off in the office. Definitely not upset about it being pagan. Just need a standard.

Quoting blues_pagan:

So just because Pagans don't have an "official" book means that we have no grounds to try to distribute materials in the same way?  I have a great book called Druid Magic that teaches people about the "magical" side of Pagan Druidism as well as the historical side.  Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring that in to leave out if the school allows Bibles?

Quoting LavenderMom23:

It wasn't like they passed the Bibles out in classrooms. It was very respectful, the bibles were left for interested students. Students that took the time to walk themselves into the office. So I would not say they distributed these bibles. They were simply 'made available'. And how many students would voluntarily go in and pick one up? Not many in my area. I would have been okay with all religions dropping off their 'official' book if they have one and this gal could easily have been dismissed bc pagans don't have an official book. It's not about indoctrinating kids, its about supplying materials to those that already want it. Now if they advertised that this was the truth or passed them out it would be a different story.




jonnlilithsmom
by Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM
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I've always wondered why Christians think that "freedom of religion" only applies to thier own...

no Christian has ever given me a civil reply when I've asked... in person, when I've asked, I've been yelled at, spit at (*they missed*) and once, even swung at (open hand, but still!) and online, I get "CAPS LOCKED" half-to-death, sworn at, and blocked...

it would be hilarious, if it wasn't so twisted and sad coming from people who claim to follow "the Prince of Peace"

joyfree
by Silver Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM
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Yes Aleister Crowley might be a bit over-the-top for public school... I was a bit shocked when I perused his "Book of "Magick" when I was a mere 19.


Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.



Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.



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AlekD
by Gold Member on Nov. 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM
The fact is that we don't know what she was attempting to distribute therefore and arguments for or against her actions are based in ignorance. There are pagan works that are inappropriate for grade school, books that deal with things like "the great rite" sex magik blood magick etc. All we know is that she tried to distribute "spell books " that could mean anything. That's why I said I was withholding judgement unless and until it is revealed exactly what she was trying to distribute.

Quoting blues_pagan:

That book is a work of fiction.  I take it you also want Catcher in the Rye taken out of schools as well?

Quoting AlekD:

You need to ask why Diary of a Drug Fiend wouldn't exactly be appropriate for school?





Quoting blues_pagan:

I have read a lot of Crowley as well as others.  Once again, why shouldn't it be distributed at a public school?

Quoting AlekD:

I don't know if you have read much Crowley but there are definitely legitimate reasons why it might not he allowed to be distributed at a public school.








Quoting blues_pagan:

Why would that matter?

Quoting AlekD:

I would have to know what book she was handing out before casting judgement.




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