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Fox New, once again, promotes War on Christmas

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Fox’s Fear Mongering Won’t Stop With The Holidays

2012/11/22
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Fox New, once again, promotes War on Christmas

Talking Points Memo yesterday posted a compilation video they called Fox News’ “Scariest Christmas Ever.” In it, they highlight several instances, just between November 17th and November 21st, in which Fox News has already begun to scare their gullible conservative viewers with ideas of a “War of Christmas.”

Co-hosts of Fox New’s, “The Five,” asked each other whether it was too early to start talking about the “War on Christmas,” to which of course, Andrea Tantaros replied, “It’s never too early.” It might be “never too early” for you, Fox News, but the rest of us might need a minute to celebrate the re-election of President Barack Obama and celebrate Thanksgiving with our families before we can stomach your useless fear mongering.

Fox News mentioned several instances they perceive as a “War on Christmas,” which, of course, to the rest of us just seem like a decent separation of church and state.


Indecision Forever writer, Dennis DiClaudio, posted about the removal of a cross on an Illinois water tower and cited Fox News’ headline, “War on Christmas Erupts in Illinois.” DiClaudio aptly asked:

“You ever notice how it’s always a War on Christmas in small town America? It’s never a War on Hanukkah or a War on Ramadan? How about a War on the Festival of Vasant Panchami once in a while? And would it kill them to declare a War on Bahá’í Naw-Rúz now and then? Why is it always the Christian holiday that gets attacked in in these little pockets of Americana?”

Why, indeed, Fox News? It can’t possibly be because you are pandering to your equally uninformed viewers and trying to keep them living in fear of the Obama administration and those scary “liberals,” can it?

News Hounds also reported on another perceived threat by Fox, which they claimed was perpetrated by those evil “atheists” who want to ruin Christmas for everyone. Apparently, Santa Monica has decided, for the first time in 60 years, not to set up nativity scenes along its well known Ocean Avenue. Attorney Peter Johnson Jr. noted, sadly:

“A pox on all your houses, religion is going out the window, we’re not going to allow the First Amendment to prevail here and the result, in the public square, is that Christian and Jewish symbols will not be allowed to be displayed in Santa Monica.”

News Hounds also notes that Johnson chose not to mention a quote by Santa Monica’s deputy city attorney, who stated:

“The decision to ban the displays also saves the city, which had administered the cumbersome lottery process used to award booths, both time and money while preserving the park’s aesthetics.”

So Fox News chose to ignore the facts of the situation and scare its viewers, yet again. Color me surprised.

It gets better though: According to Tantaros, “This is the thing about atheists, they bully other religions, and they are just vehemently intolerant.” Really, Tantaros? Is that “the thing” about atheists? I’m pretty sure, first of all, that to call atheism a “religion,” in the sense that it can be referred to by “other religions,” is wildly inaccurate, not to mention, entirely self-serving for the hacks over at Fox News. But let’s forget that for a moment and focus on how atheists are “vehemently intolerant.” I don’t suppose anyone would ever accuse Fox News, or even, perhaps, Christianity, of being “vehementantly intolerant” of anything, right? (Barring of course, Fox’s vehement support of anti-gay organizations like Chick-Fil-A and other anti-gay actions it took in that vein.) It seems what Fox News is choosing to ignore is its own war on every other belief system, while continuing to direct all their network programming around the idea of intentionally scaring their conservative, Christian viewers.

Rolling Stone magazine has called Fox News “the most profitable propaganda machine in history.” For an organization which claims to be “Fair and Balanced,” Fox News has never been further from either.

Unfortunately, it’s a sad day for those of us that thought we’d dodge Fox New’s “War on Christmas” this year. Not only have they taken up their rabid fear mongering again, but this year, they’ve brought it back even earlier. I’d imagine the best thing to do, if we really want to enjoy our winter season, is to simply avoid Fox News altogether.

by on Nov. 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM
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Carpy
by Ruby Member on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Government employees should not have Christmas off with pay.  

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

 Listen, it all has to do with the Government representing ALL Americans. If the Government is endorsing a religion by having religious symbols on it's property, they are violating the Bill of Rights and the rights of all Americans who are not of that particular faith or that have no religious faith at all. I don't give a shit if someone has a 50 ft manger scene on their own private property but it simply doesn't belong on Government property and I fail to understand why Christians have such a hard time respecting the Constitution and the rights of other Americans. You do understandthat not every American is Christian, wants to be Christian , or wants to feel alienated because of the blatant Christian privilege running rampant in our Country.

 You people speak about respect and tolerance but that's only when you get what YOU want.


SuperChicken
by on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:29 AM
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Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I would assume because there is nowhere to move it too, they also perform a Live Nativity twice a weekend for four weeks in one of the parks, carolling, people dressed like it's the turn of the century, etc. The town is very tiny and built into a mountainside, space is very limited.  I honestly could see this woman being assassinated, literally, if they were to cancel everything, impacting the local economy in such a negative way.

Quoting ButterMeUp:


Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

I don't understand why your local government didn't just move the "OTC" to another location on private property. That seems like the constitutional thing to do. She really should have reported it to people who really had the power to make them take it down or move it.

I'm Christian myself and have been contemplating starting a campaignto have the annual Nativity scene removed from city hall. Not everyone believes in Jesus and it's unconstitutional. I think people should be lead to god, not forced to him. 

 

Wow.  Totally what Jesus would do.

romalove
by Roma on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM
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Quoting SuperChicken:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

The Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement?  Is that a real group?  I hope so.  What a hilarious name.   I want to join if it's real.  Just so I can say Cleansing Movement a lot.

 Oh, I want to join too, I'd love to be able to say I'm busy cleaning up LOL.

 

Dzyre1115
by Silver Member on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

romalove
by Roma on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM
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Quoting Dzyre1115:

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

 I'm from NJ and spent much of my life in NY as well.  I live in Diversity Central, lol, in central NJ. 

How you personally feel or what you personally find beautiful has no bearing on anything I said.  A Nativity is not more beautiful on a courthouse lawn than it is on someone's front lawn or the church property or in the center of the town's shopping mall. 

It may not be a big deal to you but that does not negate that it can be a big deal to others.

And, while you and I live in very diverse places, even within that diversity, I guarantee you that Christians make up the biggest slice of your populace.

Euphoric
by Thumper kid spanks on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:41 AM
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 Sheesh how absurd. I'm glad I live in a city where I haven't ever met anyone so petty. Celebrate the holiday how you like and move on.

Dzyre1115
by Silver Member on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:45 AM

My town was split right down the middle, half Jewish, half Catholic, so no Christmas was not the end all for us.  You would be just as likely to find be at a Bat or Bar Mitzvah as you were to find me at a birthday party as a teen.  Like I said, it never bothered me, and I still can't wrap my head around wasting so much of my valuable time fighting against something that is literally harmless.  There is no harm in any of it being displayed, anywhere.  If there was some sort of harm in it, I could see the fight, for instance gay marriage, I think it's wrong to be gay, but I don't care if you choose to marry a paper bag, it has no negative effect on anyone, even though it is wrong in the eyes of some.  Same concept, wrong to some, but no negative effect, so where is the point in the fight against it?

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

 I'm from NJ and spent much of my life in NY as well.  I live in Diversity Central, lol, in central NJ. 

How you personally feel or what you personally find beautiful has no bearing on anything I said.  A Nativity is not more beautiful on a courthouse lawn than it is on someone's front lawn or the church property or in the center of the town's shopping mall. 

It may not be a big deal to you but that does not negate that it can be a big deal to others.

And, while you and I live in very diverse places, even within that diversity, I guarantee you that Christians make up the biggest slice of your populace.

 

romalove
by Roma on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM
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Quoting Dzyre1115:

My town was split right down the middle, half Jewish, half Catholic, so no Christmas was not the end all for us.  You would be just as likely to find be at a Bat or Bar Mitzvah as you were to find me at a birthday party as a teen.  Like I said, it never bothered me, and I still can't wrap my head around wasting so much of my valuable time fighting against something that is literally harmless.  There is no harm in any of it being displayed, anywhere.  If there was some sort of harm in it, I could see the fight, for instance gay marriage, I think it's wrong to be gay, but I don't care if you choose to marry a paper bag, it has no negative effect on anyone, even though it is wrong in the eyes of some.  Same concept, wrong to some, but no negative effect, so where is the point in the fight against it?

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

 I'm from NJ and spent much of my life in NY as well.  I live in Diversity Central, lol, in central NJ. 

How you personally feel or what you personally find beautiful has no bearing on anything I said.  A Nativity is not more beautiful on a courthouse lawn than it is on someone's front lawn or the church property or in the center of the town's shopping mall. 

It may not be a big deal to you but that does not negate that it can be a big deal to others.

And, while you and I live in very diverse places, even within that diversity, I guarantee you that Christians make up the biggest slice of your populace.

 

 You think it's harmless.

Others do not.

There is First Amendment infringement, and for many people, that's a big issue.

I'm not sure why it matters what the makeup of your town is.  My town is diverse, a tad under 50 thousand people, we have three Jewish temples (a Reform, an Orthodox, and a Conservative), a Mormon temple, a Kingdom Hall, Catholic church, a masjid, a Baptist church, a Korean Christian church, an Arab Christian church, a Chinese Christian church, a Lutheran, an Episcopalian, and a whole bunch of evangelical type or other denominational churches called things like Gateway, Christian Cornerstone, etc.  We're diverse. 

It still would be an infringement of First Amendment to have a Nativity on municipal land with nothing to secularize it or without other groups sharing the lawn with their own messages.

I personally think NONE of them belong, but I also think that there's no "war" on Christmas, just a war on First Amendment infringements that Christians have become accustomed to because they are such an overwhelming majority.

Dzyre1115
by Silver Member on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:53 AM

 Like I said, in order for me to waste my time, which is extremely valuable, on some sort of fight, there needs to be an actual atrocity.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

My town was split right down the middle, half Jewish, half Catholic, so no Christmas was not the end all for us.  You would be just as likely to find be at a Bat or Bar Mitzvah as you were to find me at a birthday party as a teen.  Like I said, it never bothered me, and I still can't wrap my head around wasting so much of my valuable time fighting against something that is literally harmless.  There is no harm in any of it being displayed, anywhere.  If there was some sort of harm in it, I could see the fight, for instance gay marriage, I think it's wrong to be gay, but I don't care if you choose to marry a paper bag, it has no negative effect on anyone, even though it is wrong in the eyes of some.  Same concept, wrong to some, but no negative effect, so where is the point in the fight against it?

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

 I'm from NJ and spent much of my life in NY as well.  I live in Diversity Central, lol, in central NJ. 

How you personally feel or what you personally find beautiful has no bearing on anything I said.  A Nativity is not more beautiful on a courthouse lawn than it is on someone's front lawn or the church property or in the center of the town's shopping mall. 

It may not be a big deal to you but that does not negate that it can be a big deal to others.

And, while you and I live in very diverse places, even within that diversity, I guarantee you that Christians make up the biggest slice of your populace.

 

 You think it's harmless.

Others do not.

There is First Amendment infringement, and for many people, that's a big issue.

I'm not sure why it matters what the makeup of your town is.  My town is diverse, a tad under 50 thousand people, we have three Jewish temples (a Reform, an Orthodox, and a Conservative), a Mormon temple, a Kingdom Hall, Catholic church, a masjid, a Baptist church, a Korean Christian church, an Arab Christian church, a Chinese Christian church, a Lutheran, an Episcopalian, and a whole bunch of evangelical type or other denominational churches called things like Gateway, Christian Cornerstone, etc.  We're diverse. 

It still would be an infringement of First Amendment to have a Nativity on municipal land with nothing to secularize it or without other groups sharing the lawn with their own messages.

I personally think NONE of them belong, but I also think that there's no "war" on Christmas, just a war on First Amendment infringements that Christians have become accustomed to because they are such an overwhelming majority.

 

romalove
by Roma on Nov. 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM
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Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Like I said, in order for me to waste my time, which is extremely valuable, on some sort of fight, there needs to be an actual atrocity.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

My town was split right down the middle, half Jewish, half Catholic, so no Christmas was not the end all for us.  You would be just as likely to find be at a Bat or Bar Mitzvah as you were to find me at a birthday party as a teen.  Like I said, it never bothered me, and I still can't wrap my head around wasting so much of my valuable time fighting against something that is literally harmless.  There is no harm in any of it being displayed, anywhere.  If there was some sort of harm in it, I could see the fight, for instance gay marriage, I think it's wrong to be gay, but I don't care if you choose to marry a paper bag, it has no negative effect on anyone, even though it is wrong in the eyes of some.  Same concept, wrong to some, but no negative effect, so where is the point in the fight against it?

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 The US is primarily Christian, but I am from NY a place that is notoriously diverse and it seems to be so much more of an issue in these little towns, than it ever was there.  I find the beauty of religion, any religion and their celebrations to be fascinating.  On the same note, NY'ers are notoriously self absorbed, so the insignificance of these fights astounds me because I just don't have any interest in changing the way people live as long as it is not hurting anyone.

Quoting romalove:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really want to know how it prevents Atheists from living normal lives by seeing a nativity, does it burn their eyes or something, are they being forced to stand for a vigil, anything?  I mean I can't imagine looking at a Menorah and saying to myself, "that has to go", no matter where it stands.  Maybe I just have more to live for than worrying about how others live.  Well she wasn't pissing on the Constitution, but she was definitely pissing into the wind here!

Quoting IhartU:

 

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 I really find the Atheist Religious Cleansing Movement, just to be an attack on Christianity, I mean let's face it, in this country it's politically incorrect, even for Atheists, to attack any other organized religion.  So Christians bear the brunt of the hatred.  For example one lone Atheist, last year, tried to have the Nativity Scene removed from the Town Hall Annex Park, she was basically laughed out of town.   Our, "Old Time Christmas", celebration is a HUGE source of revenue for our very tiny town and thankfully the almighty dollar is more important that one Atheist, so we get to keep our traditions. 

As for Fox, the shows mentioned are commentary shows, that's not news, that's opinion.

 You view it as an attack on Christianity because it's the only religion here in the US who imposes their beliefs on others...

 That one lone Atheist was correct to have an issue with a Nativity scene on Government property- laugh if you want, but she's not the one pissing on the Constitution.

 

Religious displays and iconography don't belong on public lands that belong to everyone. 

No one's eyes burn because they view such things, whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim or Pagan or Buddhist or Shinto or an other religion's displays.  That is just nonsense, and I think you know that.

In fact, I think you know exactly what the problem is.  You just don't see it as a big deal or care.

The reason these things are always posited as a war on Christians and Christmas, why that idiot in the OP talked about why no war on Hanukkah or some other religious tradition, is because we are in America, and while a secular country by law, we are overwhelmingly Christian as a populace. 

The Christians have a tradition and a legacy of violating First Amendment because no one said anything before and because they could.

Now someone's saying something, and it becomes a "war".

A little understanding from the religious side, someone on that side saying "so many places to put Nativity and other displays, let's make sure that we are good neighbors with all who aren't celebrating as we are and respect those governmental public areas as being for everyone and not just us" would go a long way towards Christians not feeling so "attacked".

 

 I'm from NJ and spent much of my life in NY as well.  I live in Diversity Central, lol, in central NJ. 

How you personally feel or what you personally find beautiful has no bearing on anything I said.  A Nativity is not more beautiful on a courthouse lawn than it is on someone's front lawn or the church property or in the center of the town's shopping mall. 

It may not be a big deal to you but that does not negate that it can be a big deal to others.

And, while you and I live in very diverse places, even within that diversity, I guarantee you that Christians make up the biggest slice of your populace.

 

 You think it's harmless.

Others do not.

There is First Amendment infringement, and for many people, that's a big issue.

I'm not sure why it matters what the makeup of your town is.  My town is diverse, a tad under 50 thousand people, we have three Jewish temples (a Reform, an Orthodox, and a Conservative), a Mormon temple, a Kingdom Hall, Catholic church, a masjid, a Baptist church, a Korean Christian church, an Arab Christian church, a Chinese Christian church, a Lutheran, an Episcopalian, and a whole bunch of evangelical type or other denominational churches called things like Gateway, Christian Cornerstone, etc.  We're diverse. 

It still would be an infringement of First Amendment to have a Nativity on municipal land with nothing to secularize it or without other groups sharing the lawn with their own messages.

I personally think NONE of them belong, but I also think that there's no "war" on Christmas, just a war on First Amendment infringements that Christians have become accustomed to because they are such an overwhelming majority.

 

 I am more OK with your not thinking First Amendment infringement is an atrocity than I am, frankly, for your disparagement of the atheists who do.

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