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Teachers face child abuse charges for dragging blind boy through school by his feet (VIDEO)

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Surveillance video that shows a teacher dragging a 6-year-old student on his back down the hallway inside Gonzales Community School in Santa Fe has her on administrative leave, police said.

KOB

Surveillance video from Gonzales Community School in Santa Fe shows a two teacher dragging a 6-year-old student down a hallway. 

Two teachers in New Mexico are facing child abuse charges after the school released a video showing them dragging a blind 6-year-old boy down a hall by his legs.

The teacher told cops that the special needs child at Gonzales Community School in Santa Fe refused to go to another classroom, so she dragged him there, local TV station KOB reported.

In the video, one woman can be seen towing the little boy by the ankles as he lays on his back. A second teacher joins in, while a third walks with the other two, watching the troubling incident.

Santa Fe Police Sgt. Andrea Dobyns told KOB the teacher has worked with the boy for a long time and that the two had a good relationship.

"We don't believe the teacher was intentionally trying to hurt the child, but our problem is the blatant neglect for his safety," Dobyns said.

"The boy's parents like this teacher,” she said.

 

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The boy wasn't hurt in the incident. The two teachers are facing child abuse charges. 

 

The boy complained that his head hurt after the dragging, but otherwise wasn’t seriously injuried, the station reported.

The two teachers who dragged the boy would face child abuse charges, while the third teacher could face punishment for not reporting the incident.

The Santa Fe district attorney was reviewing the case, KOB reported.



by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:34 PM
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Mommy0505
by Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM
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I just had a special needs child have an outburst in my class this past week.  It lasted 40 minutes.  He tore through his notebooks, took the pile of worksheets the other kids were working with, tore up the class roll of paper towels, sprayed water around...

He refused to leave the room.  We could do NOTHING legally.  Because He was not an immediate danger to himself or others.

How we handled it (I had an aide and called the special ed teacher down after 20 min):  I had to be right next to him, watching that he was not engaging in dangerous behavior.  I could not touch his hand or nudge his arm to redirect him, I held my arms out and moved my body to keep him in one general area of the room to prevent him from taking other kids' papers to rip up.

Luckily I had the rest of the class set up in math stations (young elementary kids), but it would have been much worse if I had direct instruction planned for the day...

 

I think it's better to be safe than sorry.  Not 'handling' the kids is just the best policy to follow.  It's not easy and there's no one right answer, but put plainly, it's somebody else's kid so we have no right to do anything outside of our duties as a teacher.  Of course we have crisis teams in place for the dangerous situations, but those people (including principal, dean, etc) are trained and have mountains of paperwork if they ever need to use it.

Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM
I see. Have you gotten all this experience in the schools, other than with your child?

I love doing family therapy because ultimately I'm a systems theorist. The system is dysfunctional, not just the child or teen they (the parent(s)) want "fixed". But I have to tread carefully. And I work in a residential treatment center for children & teens.

If you have 0 tolerance for parents & their "BS", it's going to be hard to do SPED work. I can see how that will get in your way. I don't mean this to be ugly at all, but maybe you could go to therapy to work on that so you can have the career you want. Sincere Good Luck!


Quoting Paperfishies:

I have mixed emotions about individualized plans. I think they can either be great for a child or can completely destroy any chance at an education.



I've worked with many different children. Behavioral disorders stemming from abuse...children with autism, children with physical handicaps (CP, kids who can't see, hear, talk or walk) and I have an autistic 2 year old.

I wanted to be a teacher with a focus in special Ed. Love working with the kids but it's the parents I cannot stand and have zero patience for, which is why I'm not currently a teacher. I have a very low tolerance for bullshit and excuses from adults




Quoting Bookwormy:

My tushy feels fine; thanks for asking! You're right; you didn't cuss at me. However, common courtesy won't kill you. My knickers aren't in a knot & you're the one looking bad right now, not me. I'm good. Feeling oh so grown up? Great; then let's move on.





If you call the parent & the child stays in school, great. If the child has to leave the school with the parent, my understanding is, at least w/SPED kids, it's a suspension. Sorry Charlie!





Do you know about SPED, FBA, BIP, IEP, etc? If not, then I can't reply without going over your head. if you do, then you should know that if its done well, there should be a good plan & teachers & kids should have more win-win situations. Obviously, no guarantees, but that's the idea.





You seem pretty stuck in one answer for all situations. I'm real into individualized plans. We have very different ideas in this area. I've given you my background in SPED & ED. What is yours, if your willing to say?






Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.







Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.







Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.












Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.









I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.









I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)









In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.









I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.









I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.










Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.





Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.












Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!













This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!














Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.
















Quoting Bieg9093:

 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.









Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.










 









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lga1965
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:51 PM
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 This does look like abuse. Stupid...you just don't drag a kid by his heels on the floor.

I admit I have no experience with kids who are out of control but I really don't think this will help teach him how to control himself and behave. Really.This could make him even worse.

Paperfishies
by Silver Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:57 PM
Good luck in your career. That ship has sailed for me, I still do volunteer work but I'm a business owner and will never go the teaching route.
I've considered going back to school to get another degree and become a pediatric psychologist, but I don't know.


Quoting Bookwormy:

I see. Have you gotten all this experience in the schools, other than with your child?



I love doing family therapy because ultimately I'm a systems theorist. The system is dysfunctional, not just the child or teen they (the parent(s)) want "fixed". But I have to tread carefully. And I work in a residential treatment center for children & teens.



If you have 0 tolerance for parents & their "BS", it's going to be hard to do SPED work. I can see how that will get in your way. I don't mean this to be ugly at all, but maybe you could go to therapy to work on that so you can have the career you want. Sincere Good Luck!




Quoting Paperfishies:

I have mixed emotions about individualized plans. I think they can either be great for a child or can completely destroy any chance at an education.





I've worked with many different children. Behavioral disorders stemming from abuse...children with autism, children with physical handicaps (CP, kids who can't see, hear, talk or walk) and I have an autistic 2 year old.


I wanted to be a teacher with a focus in special Ed. Love working with the kids but it's the parents I cannot stand and have zero patience for, which is why I'm not currently a teacher. I have a very low tolerance for bullshit and excuses from adults






Quoting Bookwormy:

My tushy feels fine; thanks for asking! You're right; you didn't cuss at me. However, common courtesy won't kill you. My knickers aren't in a knot & you're the one looking bad right now, not me. I'm good. Feeling oh so grown up? Great; then let's move on.







If you call the parent & the child stays in school, great. If the child has to leave the school with the parent, my understanding is, at least w/SPED kids, it's a suspension. Sorry Charlie!







Do you know about SPED, FBA, BIP, IEP, etc? If not, then I can't reply without going over your head. if you do, then you should know that if its done well, there should be a good plan & teachers & kids should have more win-win situations. Obviously, no guarantees, but that's the idea.







You seem pretty stuck in one answer for all situations. I'm real into individualized plans. We have very different ideas in this area. I've given you my background in SPED & ED. What is yours, if your willing to say?








Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.









Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.









Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.















Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.











I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.











I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)











In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.











I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.











I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.












Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.






Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.














Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!















This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!
















Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.


















Quoting Bieg9093:

 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.










Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.











 










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lga1965
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM
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 This is really insane. " Butt hurt little snowflake" ? No, you see, well raised and well bred and well educated people who know how to behave in society don't express themselves the way you do. You are literally a social misfit, a scuz with a filthy mouth. Get it? You must have lived in a cave and raised yourself ...and don't tell me you have any higher education. Millions of people have been able to live quite well without using F words,etc. and they are respected by their peers. Do you HAVE any "peers" ? Who do you associate with in  "real life" . Do you have a life? It seems more likely that they are letting you use the computer at the Rehab Center where you are sobering up or getting clean.

Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.

Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.

Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.



Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.



I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.



I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)



In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.



I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.



I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.




Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.


Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.






Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!







This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!








Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.










Quoting Bieg9093:

 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.






Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.







 






 

StarburstKisses
by Bronze Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:03 PM

You have the parents consent?

Quoting Bieg9093:

 Not for a second.  Granted, I currently work with ages 2-5, so I pick up kids much more often than teachers of 6 year olds would need to.  But the idea is the same...when you send a kid to me to teach, I'm gonna do what's right for that child.  And if the little rugrat, be he blind, labeled or just plain ornery, chooses to put his little hands on his little hips and refuse to budge then I will be budging him.  Why?  Cause it's what he needs, it's what his peers need to see AND it's damaging to him to let him act like a brat.  I will do anything for the kids in my care that is good for them.

The obvious exceptions would be kids who are medically too fragile to be manhandled or certain situations in which I'd choose a different technique should the child have sensory aversions.

 

Quoting Mom2Phoenix2011:

 Please tell me you are tastelessly joking.

Quoting Bieg9093:

 A few thoughts...

1.  I would have picked the kid up and carried him fireman style.  But that's me.  I'm pretty sturdy, no back problems and it doesn't phase me when kids pull my hair.  I've never dropped a kid whom I was carrying.  But after seeing that, I may consider using their dragging techinique in the future.  It's much safer for both the child and the teacher.  I don't for a second believe that bs about it hurting his head.

2. What exactly do people WANT educators to do when children completely refuse to comply?  Are they just supposed to wait forever?  Are they supposed to ask all the other kids to just ignore highly disruptive students?  I know a high school where a single girl refused to comply with final exam testing rules.  Then she refused to leave the testing room.  The school decided to move EVERY OTHER STUDENT to another room rather than forcing the delinquent to comply or leave.  Does ANYONE really think THAT'S a good idea?

3. When educators actually stand up to kids who test limits, it teaches the kids to respect the limits.  When teachers are forced into the role of candy-asses who can't make kids follow rules or directions, it undermines the education of the child in question AND that of every other child who witnesses it. 

4.  Kid obviously didn't mind being dragged overmuch.  If it bothered him, then he would have chosen to walk.

 

 

 


Paperfishies
by Silver Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Lmao! You're funny. I graduated from a private college prep school and went on to get a degree from the university of Florida. I have a fabulous life.
And omg! I'm a successful business owner. Guess someone should have told my dad about these magical rules regarding the F word...since he died a successful, millionaire business owner, who built his company himself. Every other word out of his mouth was fuck, cunt or god damn.
Guess I better tell my corporate attorney that his use of the F word means he was raised in a cave and his law degree is make believe.
Guess someone better let Richard Dawkins (evolutionary biologist) in on your little theory, as he uses the F word quite often

Oh and I fucking forgot...let Obama and Biden in on your theory because both of those college educated men, one being the leader of the free world have both been caught dropping F Bombs.

Words are words, nothing more.

Quoting lga1965:

 This is really insane. " Butt hurt little snowflake" ? No, you see, well raised and well bred and well educated people who know how to behave in society don't express themselves the way you do. You are literally a social misfit, a scuz with a filthy mouth. Get it? You must have lived in a cave and raised yourself ...and don't tell me you have any higher education. Millions of people have been able to live quite well without using F words,etc. and they are respected by their peers. Do you HAVE any "peers" ? Who do you associate with in  "real life" . Do you have a life? It seems more likely that they are letting you use the computer at the Rehab Center where you are sobering up or getting clean.


Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.

Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.

Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.




Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.



I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.



I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)



In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.



I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.



I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.





Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.


Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.







Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!







This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!









Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.











Quoting Bieg9093:


 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.







Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.








 







 



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lga1965
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM

 This IS the Internet. We are on a Forum, anyone can pretend to be anything. You just could have fooled me....its really hard to believe that you have done any of those things,considering you BRAG about having a filthy mouth and make fun of people who prefer to sound more intelligent and well bred. So, your Dad was a crude dude too? You both make me want to throw up.

 

Quoting Paperfishies:

Lmao! You're funny. I graduated from a private college prep school and went on to get a degree from the university of Florida. I have a fabulous life.
And omg! I'm a successful business owner. Guess someone should have told my dad about these magical rules regarding the F word...since he died a successful, millionaire business owner, who built his company himself. Every other word out of his mouth was fuck, cunt or god damn.
Guess I better tell my corporate attorney that his use of the F word means he was raised in a cave and his law degree is make believe.
Guess someone better let Richard Dawkins (evolutionary biologist) in on your little theory, as he uses the F word quite often

Oh and I fucking forgot...let Obama and Biden in on your theory because both of those college educated men, one being the leader of the free world have both been caught dropping F Bombs.

Words are words, nothing more.

Quoting lga1965:

 This is really insane. " Butt hurt little snowflake" ? No, you see, well raised and well bred and well educated people who know how to behave in society don't express themselves the way you do. You are literally a social misfit, a scuz with a filthy mouth. Get it? You must have lived in a cave and raised yourself ...and don't tell me you have any higher education. Millions of people have been able to live quite well without using F words,etc. and they are respected by their peers. Do you HAVE any "peers" ? Who do you associate with in  "real life" . Do you have a life? It seems more likely that they are letting you use the computer at the Rehab Center where you are sobering up or getting clean.


Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.

Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.

Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.




Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.



I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.



I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)



In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.



I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.



I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.





Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.


Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.







Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!







This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!









Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.











Quoting Bieg9093:


 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.







Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.








 







 



 

Paperfishies
by Silver Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:47 PM
You're right, this is the Internet, so why are you taking it so seriously? I certainly don't. I of course don't march into my daughter's private school dropping F bombs. Although I did drop 3 F bombs in a meeting with business associates a few days ago but they were also cursing like sailors.
This Internet forum isn't a formal or serious setting, adults are going to curse. Hell, I've seen a few of your Internet butt buddies in this forum use their fair share of "crude" language. So I expect the very next time one of your cafemom pals uses one of these crude words that upset your oh so delicate, princess like senses, that you will tell them just how crude and uneducated they are.


Quoting lga1965:

 This IS the Internet. We are on a Forum, anyone can pretend to be anything. You just could have fooled me....its really hard to believe that you have done any of those things,considering you BRAG about having a filthy mouth and make fun of people who prefer to sound more intelligent and well bred. So, your Dad was a crude dude too? You both make me want to throw up.


 


Quoting Paperfishies:

Lmao! You're funny. I graduated from a private college prep school and went on to get a degree from the university of Florida. I have a fabulous life.
And omg! I'm a successful business owner. Guess someone should have told my dad about these magical rules regarding the F word...since he died a successful, millionaire business owner, who built his company himself. Every other word out of his mouth was fuck, cunt or god damn.
Guess I better tell my corporate attorney that his use of the F word means he was raised in a cave and his law degree is make believe.
Guess someone better let Richard Dawkins (evolutionary biologist) in on your little theory, as he uses the F word quite often

Oh and I fucking forgot...let Obama and Biden in on your theory because both of those college educated men, one being the leader of the free world have both been caught dropping F Bombs.

Words are words, nothing more.


Quoting lga1965:


 This is really insane. " Butt hurt little snowflake" ? No, you see, well raised and well bred and well educated people who know how to behave in society don't express themselves the way you do. You are literally a social misfit, a scuz with a filthy mouth. Get it? You must have lived in a cave and raised yourself ...and don't tell me you have any higher education. Millions of people have been able to live quite well without using F words,etc. and they are respected by their peers. Do you HAVE any "peers" ? Who do you associate with in  "real life" . Do you have a life? It seems more likely that they are letting you use the computer at the Rehab Center where you are sobering up or getting clean.



Quoting Paperfishies:

If you're seriously a butt hurt little snowflake over an F bomb, you need to get off the Internet and never leave your home. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. You act as if I called you a cunt, when I was cursing in general conversation, not at you. Learn the difference.

Calling a parent isn't the same thing as being suspended. Being suspended is being forced out of school for several days as punishment. Calling a parent is calling a parent, which is not a punishment.

Teachers can not win in these situations, no matter way they do. Someone always bitches about something.





Quoting Bookwormy:

You know what's really disgusting right now? Your language! Do I cuss at you? Ever? No! You needn't cuss at me in return.



I don't think it's appropriate for parents to use schools as simple daycare. But many SPED kids have emotional disturbances & the schools need to do a FBA & a BIP & follow the IEP, before basically suspending the child. Calling the parent is the same as suspension.



I'm not saying I'd refuse to go. I'm saying I work in a different county. I work with emotionally disturbed kids myself. I'm fairly lucky. When I've gotten called to pick mine up, I was on my way anyway, & it wasn't a behavior problem. By kid's gonna have at least 3, maybe 4, 504s, for medical problems, so I guess that's not so lucky. (She's in a private kinder this year, so the 504 nightmare starts next year.)



In grad school I took a class on SPED law & I've been the school liaison at various agencies as part of my social work/therapist position. I have been to more ARDs than I can remember or count, some in some terrific TX school districts, some in some lousy TX school districts. But the child's ultimate right to an education remains the same.



I absolutely agree with you that parents are a vital part of *every* child's education, SPED, regular, or G&T, public, private, or homeschooled.



I think there are *many* problems with public education. I'd start by making kinder mandatory, year round, and the summer before testing all the kids to see how they learn best & offering different kinders to meet different learners' needs, such as Waldorf, Montessori, "traditional didactic, etc. Obviously, this wouldn't solve issues for our older children, but I wonder if these kids would do better throughout their 13 years. I'd also take all property taxes for a state & evenly distribute them throughout the state's schools. Eanes ISD would love that, not! I'll probably continue having ideas as see my daughter grow.






Quoting Paperfishies:

Teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don't. This is why public schools over all fucking suck. Teachers have to spend the majority of their time of 1 or 2 students while the rest of the classes needs go unmet.


Special Ed or not, if a child refuses to comply parents need to be called to come and rectify the situation. Way too fucking many parents use school as a baby sitter and it's disgusting.








Quoting Bookwormy:

I currently work 45-60 min f/DD's school. You can make that threat, but only if you want a lawsuit!







This was a SPED kid. Did his IEP say to drag him by ankles if he refused to move locations? Seems unlikely. Does it say that the moment he misbehaves he loses his right to an education for the day? Oh, no, that goes against SPED policy too! They're supposed to try to keep kids in school, not kick them out at the drop of a hat!










Quoting Paperfishies:

I doubt it will fix anything but teachers need to be proactive in protecting themselves and the only way teachers can protect themselves is to call the parent to come get their kid when the child will not comply.












Quoting Bieg9093:



 Unrealistic.  And you assume that the parents have the power to change the child's ways if they'd just "wake up."  Don't assume that anything short of parenting camp will fix anything.








Quoting Paperfishies:

The moment a student won't comply a parent needs to be called and that parents needs to be told, you hve 10 minutes to get here and take charge of your child. If you aren't here the police will be called.

Parents bitch and cry no matter what. Lets disturb their work day a few times and maybe they will wake the fuck up.









 








 




 


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My oldest ran away from school because of his bully teacher. She has so many complaints against her, but will be retiring soon, so she gets transferred. My youngest (5&6) boys are in k12, one is adhd, and pdd nos, and my daughter is prek, it is challenging each day. When I see a video like this, from my home state and my resolve to continue homeschooling is stronger.

Quoting tooptimistic:

Yeah, my two disabled children will NEVER step foot in a public school.  Just one more reason why.  Holy crap, who does that to a child????

There were other options..

Call the principal into the classroom, call the child's parents, carry him to the principal's office.

You are not allowed to drag an employee or adult, why the heck would you drag a disabled child???

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