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The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being

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The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being

10/31/2012

 
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Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones:   Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.   And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine;   it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being.   One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath.   This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either.   Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it;   the rest are aborted. .

God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester.   It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written.

There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath. 

Source: "The bible tells us when a fetus becomes a living being," by Dr. Joe Schwartz

Many cite the scripture Jeremiah 1:5, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." God is omnipotent. He has known all of us since before creation. This scripture is irrelevant as it pertains to when a fetus becomes a living being. The same reasoning applies to Psalm 139:13-14

Numbers 5 describes "the Lord" orderinan abortion. Many argue that this is a misinterpretation. It's clearly stated in verse 22, "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."

Before false teachers turned the issue of reproductive choice into a political football, views on this matter were far less extreme.  Read "The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal" 

In 1973, Wallie Amos ‘W. A.’ Criswell, President of the Southern Baptist Convention from 1968 to 1970, said this: 
“I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed."

If you don't like abortion, don't have one. But don't judge others who may be in terrible circumstances that you can't possibly understand. Especially when your judgements are based on a politically motivated and questionable interpretation of the Bible (at best).

Those who say, "If you're a Christian, you have to be against abortion, and therefore you must vote republican," are simply reciting talking points from false teachers.

In the end, if abortion was such a grievous sin Jesus would have mentioned it.  He said nothing.

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by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM
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Meadowchik
by Silver Member on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM
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Quoting HaileysMom07180:

I find this interesting because thats the policy according to homicide too.  they don't include the baby as its own count of homicide unless the baby drew its first breath before it died.  

 That's based one them being a legal person.  Regardless of them being a legal person, a live human fetus or embryo is still irrefutably human life.

pansyprincess
by Silver Member on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM
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It's funny how one person can claim another person's interpretation is wrong ...

Mommy4000
by Ray of sunshine on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM
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That is my belief. You don't have to agree with my belief, but I don't need my beliefs corrected either. I don't believe in Satan, the devil, burning hell etc. but thank you for giving me your perception of God.

Quoting candlegal:

Actually God didn't lead them to that decision.  He wouldn't lead someone to decide to murder one of his creations, one of his gifts to us.  He gave us free will to make our own decisions.   It is possible Satan led them to that decision.

Quoting Mommy4000:

I do believe it is a life, but still believe in abortion being legal and attainable. It's a soul even if not an earthly one, but at the same time I also believe that God's path for every one is pre-determined. There is a reason one is led to making that decision. Whether that reason is ever acknowledged by that person, God led them to that decision.


 

12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM
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As a Catholic, it is wrong not only based on the bible, but based on science, logic and reason. 

Quoting Rhiannon1980:

Because most of the time I see pro life people saying according to the bible it's murder. You're killing a baby. Basicly using the bible as a way out. It's fine to stand behind what you believe in but I feel people saying just because the bible says is a excuse.

Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting Rhiannon1980:

I am not Christian and I am pro choice but this makes good points.

If your not a Christian why do you think it makes good points?


cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM
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 I actually think that is very well presented. And I happen to agree. Too many pro-lifers use the "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you...." verse from Jeremiah (and similar verses in Psalms) to say that means you were a life even before you were formed in the womb.

krysstizzle
by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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Interesting. 

This makes sense. As a pp pointed out, some indigenous cultures hold that an infant doesn't have a soul until some specific point, which could be drawing first breath or some other milestone. 

Looking at the bible in historical context, it would make sense, too, that this interpretation is correct. 

krysstizzle
by on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM
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Key word: potential. Potential human life.

Quoting Meadowchik:

 

Quoting HaileysMom07180:

I find this interesting because thats the policy according to homicide too.  they don't include the baby as its own count of homicide unless the baby drew its first breath before it died.  

 That's based one them being a legal person.  Regardless of them being a legal person, a live human fetus or embryo is still irrefutably human life.


candlegal
by Judy on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I understand that you have to justify thinking it is okay to kill a child.   Just don't put it on God, own it, unless you are talking about some god that is not the Christian God.

Quoting Mommy4000:

That is my belief. You don't have to agree with my belief, but I don't need my beliefs corrected either. I don't believe in Satan, the devil, burning hell etc. but thank you for your giving me your perception of God.

Quoting candlegal:

Actually God didn't lead them to that decision.  He wouldn't lead someone to decide to murder one of his creations, one of his gifts to us.  He gave us free will to make our own decisions.   It is possible Satan led them to that decision.

Quoting Mommy4000:

I do believe it is a life, but still believe in abortion being legal and attainable. It's a soul even if not an earthly one, but at the same time I also believe that God's path for every one is pre-determined. There is a reason one is led to making that decision. Whether that reason is ever acknowledged by that person, God led them to that decision.




12hellokitty
by Ruby Member on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM
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Quoting Meadowchik:

An egg is not alive, a sperm is not alive, but the live fertilized egg represents human life.  It is human and it is by scientific definition alive, so it is human life. 

Perhaps the author is confused.


It's interesting how those who are pro-choice like to pick and choose when it comes to science and their personal beliefs on when life begins.  If it is so clear that a fetus is not a life why are there so many different views held by those who are pro-choice?  

Mommy4000
by Ray of sunshine on Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM
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It's not my place to justify or condemn. It's legal, at least here in the US and I support it being legal. I'm not putting an abortion on God. My belief of MY GOD is that he leads all to the decisions they make, for a greater reason. The God I choose to follow and have a relationship with, is all religions and no religion.

I understand that you have to justify thinking it is okay to kill a child.   Just don't put it on God, own it, unless you are talking about some god that is not the Christian God.

Quoting Mommy4000:

That is my belief. You don't have to agree with my belief, but I don't need my beliefs corrected either. I don't believe in Satan, the devil, burning hell etc. but thank you for your giving me your perception of God.

Quoting candlegal:

Actually God didn't lead them to that decision.  He wouldn't lead someone to decide to murder one of his creations, one of his gifts to us.  He gave us free will to make our own decisions.   It is possible Satan led them to that decision.

Quoting Mommy4000:

I do believe it is a life, but still believe in abortion being legal and attainable. It's a soul even if not an earthly one, but at the same time I also believe that God's path for every one is pre-determined. There is a reason one is led to making that decision. Whether that reason is ever acknowledged by that person, God led them to that decision.


 



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