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Atheists Face Discrimination And Persecution According To Report

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'Like lesser Americans': Atheists face discrimination, persecution, report says

GENEVA -- Atheists and other religious skeptics suffer persecution or discrimination in many parts of the world and in at least seven countries can be executed if their beliefs become known, according to a report issued Monday.

The study, from the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), showed that "unbelievers" in Islamic countries face the most severe -- sometimes brutal -- treatment at the hands of the state and adherents of the official religion.

But it also points to policies in some European countries and the United States that favor the religious and their organizations and treat atheists and humanists as outsiders.

The report, "Freedom of Thought 2012," said "there are laws that deny atheists' right to exist, curtail their freedom of belief and expression, revoke their right to citizenship, restrict their right to marry."


Other laws "obstruct their access to public education, prohibit them from holding public office, prevent them from working for the state, criminalize their criticism of religion, and execute them for leaving the religion of their parents."

In the United States, for example, where freedom of religion and speech is protected, a social and political climate prevails "in which atheists and the non-religious are made to feel like lesser Americans, or non-Americans," the report said.

In at least seven U.S. states, constitutional provisions are in place that bar atheists from public office and one state, Arkansas, has a law that bars atheists from testifying as witnesses at trials, the report said.

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"It is often not the case that when people hear of freedom of religion they interpret that in terms of the non-religious too," Bob Churchill, a spokesperson for IHEU, told NBC News. "This report shows clearly how people who mildly criticize religion may go on to suffer months or years in jail, even awaiting a death sentence."

The report was welcomed by Heiner Bielefeldt, U.N. special rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, who said in a brief introduction there was little awareness that atheists were covered by global human rights agreements.

The IHEU -- which links more than 120 humanist, atheist and secular organizations in more than 40 countries -- said it was issuing the report to mark the U.N.'s Human Rights Day on Monday.

According to its survey of some 60 countries, the seven where expression of atheist views or defection from the official religion can bring capital punishment are Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan.

Forced to lie
The 70-page report lists no recent cases of actual execution for "atheism" -- but researchers say the offence is often subsumed into other charges.

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In a range of other countries -- such as Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Kuwait and Jordan -- publication of atheist or humanist views on religion are totally banned or strictly limited under laws prohibiting "blasphemy."

In many of these countries, and others like Malaysia, citizens have to register as adherents of a small number officially-recognized religions -- which normally include no more than Christianity and Judaism as well as Islam.

Atheists and humanists are thereby forced to lie to obtain their official documents without which it is impossible to go to university, receive medical treatment, travel abroad or drive.

In Europe, sub-Saharan Africa and Latin and North America, countries which identify themselves as secular give privileges to or favor Christian churches in providing education and other public services, the IHEU said.

In Greece and Russia, the Orthodox Church is fiercely protected from criticism and is given pride of place on state occasions, while in Britain bishops of the Church of England have automatic seats in the upper house of parliament.

by on Dec. 10, 2012 at 7:49 AM
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KamWorthy
by Silver Member on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM
If you want to "believe" that, it's certainly your right. "you never know how much you actually believe until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you".
Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Again, not offended.



There is only one thing that atheists, definitely, have in common, that is their disbelief in the existence of gods/goddesses.

That's it.
There is no system to one thing.


Quoting KamWorthy:

The word system is what has offended you this entire time? Again, I apologize. I did not anticipate a word that simply means a formal organized set of mechanics or process prevalent and coherent amongst a society, community or group to carry so much weight. The fact still remains, atheist have an individual belief system, simply by the fact they are living, breathing human beings.



Quoting TCgirlatheart:

It says "beliefs", a general term, not "belief system" as you specifically said.


It seems to be very difficult for you to back that up now though. Perhaps you were mistaken?






Quoting KamWorthy:




The article itself even refers to atheism as a belief. It's in the first paragraph.











Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Not offended really, just puzzled why so many insist atheists must have some kind of belief system.



In your statement you were very certain that atheists do have a belief system.








Quoting KamWorthy:

I've offended you, I apologize. Forgive me. As far as me knowing the specifics of an atheists belief system, there is no way I could know that. But atheists are people that qualifies them to have a belief system. We all need. It's normal and very human.



















Quoting TCgirlatheart:

I'm asking you what you believe the "belief system of atheism is.




We all have hopes, yes, but why would I need something to believe in?










Quoting KamWorthy:

I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. But that's ok. I only wish for something to you to hope and trust ( believe) in.























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Yet you've specifically connected a "belief system" with atheists in your post to Candlegal.






Nice back-peddling. lol














Quoting KamWorthy:

Believe simply means to trust and hope on. Everyone trusts and hopes in something.


































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

And that is? This atheist would certainly like to know if I'm doing it "wrong"...















Quoting KamWorthy:

I agree!







Some think atheists don't have a belief system, they certainly do.





































Quoting candlegal:

I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....


Huh?

Did you not read the article?

And do you want to talk percentages or do you want to talk sheer numbers?

Because the Christians have a huge advantage because there have been so many more of them over time than there are atheists.

And does this response mean you don't care about atheist persecution, only Christian?


TCgirlatheart
by TC on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:12 PM
So you really CAN'T say what the atheist "belief system" is, though you insist they have one.

Quoting KamWorthy:

If you want to "believe" that, it's certainly your right.


"you never know how much you actually believe until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you".



Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Again, not offended.





There is only one thing that atheists, definitely, have in common, that is their disbelief in the existence of gods/goddesses.


That's it.

There is no system to one thing.




Quoting KamWorthy:

The word system is what has offended you this entire time? Again, I apologize. I did not anticipate a word that simply means a formal organized set of mechanics or process prevalent and coherent amongst a society, community or group to carry so much weight. The fact still remains, atheist have an individual belief system, simply by the fact they are living, breathing human beings.





Quoting TCgirlatheart:

It says "beliefs", a general term, not "belief system" as you specifically said.



It seems to be very difficult for you to back that up now though. Perhaps you were mistaken?








Quoting KamWorthy:





The article itself even refers to atheism as a belief. It's in the first paragraph.















Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Not offended really, just puzzled why so many insist atheists must have some kind of belief system.




In your statement you were very certain that atheists do have a belief system.










Quoting KamWorthy:

I've offended you, I apologize. Forgive me. As far as me knowing the specifics of an atheists belief system, there is no way I could know that. But atheists are people that qualifies them to have a belief system. We all need. It's normal and very human.
























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

I'm asking you what you believe the "belief system of atheism is.





We all have hopes, yes, but why would I need something to believe in?












Quoting KamWorthy:

I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. But that's ok. I only wish for something to you to hope and trust ( believe) in.



























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Yet you've specifically connected a "belief system" with atheists in your post to Candlegal.







Nice back-peddling. lol
















Quoting KamWorthy:

Believe simply means to trust and hope on. Everyone trusts and hopes in something.







































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

And that is? This atheist would certainly like to know if I'm doing it "wrong"...

















Quoting KamWorthy:

I agree!








Some think atheists don't have a belief system, they certainly do.











































Quoting candlegal:

I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....


Huh?

Did you not read the article?

And do you want to talk percentages or do you want to talk sheer numbers?

Because the Christians have a huge advantage because there have been so many more of them over time than there are atheists.

And does this response mean you don't care about atheist persecution, only Christian?


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Bookwormy
by Platinum Member on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Fine, assume. But how many people in the US are members of groups that suffer from government discrimination? Atheists, GLBT, whom else? If Jews weren't allowed to run for office or serve on a Jury, the ADL would go crazy about that, & rightly so. Disrimination is wrong. Discrimination by state or US governments goes beyond wrong. Why do you wish to minimize this? If morbidly obese poeple couldn't vote in TX, Disability Rights of TX would sue, or someone would. Why is government discrimination against atheists OK to you? Why are you minimizing it?


Quoting JanuaryBaby06:

dis·crim·i·na·tion


/disˌkriməˈnāSHən/










Noun







  1. The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

  2. Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Synonyms





distinction - discernment - differentiation

......

No, it would be impossible to prove something like that (which is wy it's pretty easy to get away with one would think) but after reading the definition I think it is a pretty safe assumption. I have never met anyone who hasnt gotten a fair shake for something at one point or another, based on something that was beyond their control. I think what you may be referring to may be more along the lines of persecution esp. when it comes to the cases in different countries?

And when it comes to the US Constitution woman arent mentioned in it more then once.... if, for whatever reason, something terrible happens over night, we are not protected by the Constitution. The way it was written leaves lots of space for interpretation by what society wants at that moment in time but if society changes ..... it could be goodbye women's rights. Supreme Court Justice Scailia (who most recently has been getting backlash for his most current comments about GLBT community) has voted for keeping woman out of the Constitution since he doesnt think we belong in there. He also makes lots of other colorful comments. He is a Originalist. If you search his name you will find a ton but  most of it is about his current mess, here is an article from last year I believe..... http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/04/supreme-court-justice-scalia-womens-rights-not-in-constitution/.

Everybody deals with some sort of Discrimination whether it's for age, social standing, gender, race, religious creed, weight, height, appearance,whatever ... we are judgemental as a whole and everyone seems to need to prove to themselves and everyone else that they are right and you are wrong.

Ok well I'm going to stop before I wonder too far off topic or  I get accused of putting words in your mouth. Have a Good Day!

Quoting Bookwormy:

I don't know. I can't speak for every US citizen. It may or may not be true. Certainly not every group has institutionalized state &/or federal discrimination like atheists & GLBT. You're making a generalization based on an assumption, which appears to minimize known state discrimination that likely violates the US Constitution. Can you prove your statement? If so, please do.



Quoting JanuaryBaby06:


It may not sound pretty, but do you think that its untrue?



Quoting Bookwormy:

That sounds fairly minimizing & trivalizing.




Quoting JanuaryBaby06:



um, everybody faces some sort of discrimination at some point in their lives for something.




 





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KamWorthy
by Silver Member on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Oh I already gave an example a couple of pages back...I thought you read it and even responded. I might be mistaken. But at this point it's just not interesting to me anymore. I know that everyone has a god they trust, believe in, rely on for forgiveness, comfort, confirmation, adoration...the only difference is to some that God is supernatural and to others that god is their spouse, children, school, job, or self. Merry Christmas and thanks for not crossing a line of no return so that i will feel comfortable in engaging with you in the future.
Quoting TCgirlatheart:

So you really CAN'T say what the atheist "belief system" is, though you insist they have one.

Quoting KamWorthy:

If you want to "believe" that, it's certainly your right.


"you never know how much you actually believe until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you".



Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Again, not offended.





There is only one thing that atheists, definitely, have in common, that is their disbelief in the existence of gods/goddesses.


That's it.

There is no system to one thing.




Quoting KamWorthy:

The word system is what has offended you this entire time? Again, I apologize. I did not anticipate a word that simply means a formal organized set of mechanics or process prevalent and coherent amongst a society, community or group to carry so much weight. The fact still remains, atheist have an individual belief system, simply by the fact they are living, breathing human beings.





Quoting TCgirlatheart:

It says "beliefs", a general term, not "belief system" as you specifically said.



It seems to be very difficult for you to back that up now though. Perhaps you were mistaken?








Quoting KamWorthy:





The article itself even refers to atheism as a belief. It's in the first paragraph.















Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Not offended really, just puzzled why so many insist atheists must have some kind of belief system.




In your statement you were very certain that atheists do have a belief system.










Quoting KamWorthy:

I've offended you, I apologize. Forgive me. As far as me knowing the specifics of an atheists belief system, there is no way I could know that. But atheists are people that qualifies them to have a belief system. We all need. It's normal and very human.
























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

I'm asking you what you believe the "belief system of atheism is.





We all have hopes, yes, but why would I need something to believe in?












Quoting KamWorthy:

I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. But that's ok. I only wish for something to you to hope and trust ( believe) in.



























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Yet you've specifically connected a "belief system" with atheists in your post to Candlegal.







Nice back-peddling. lol
















Quoting KamWorthy:

Believe simply means to trust and hope on. Everyone trusts and hopes in something.







































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

And that is? This atheist would certainly like to know if I'm doing it "wrong"...

















Quoting KamWorthy:

I agree!








Some think atheists don't have a belief system, they certainly do.











































Quoting candlegal:

I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....


Huh?

Did you not read the article?

And do you want to talk percentages or do you want to talk sheer numbers?

Because the Christians have a huge advantage because there have been so many more of them over time than there are atheists.

And does this response mean you don't care about atheist persecution, only Christian?


TCgirlatheart
by TC on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:38 PM
Eh, I disagree, asking a person to forgive you because you hurt them, is very different than asking a higher power forgiveness so you can get into a pleasant afterlife(<-- to be general).

Merry Christmas to you as well.


Quoting KamWorthy:


Oh I already gave an example a couple of pages back...I thought you read it and even responded. I might be mistaken. But at this point it's just not interesting to me anymore. I know that everyone has a god they trust, believe in, rely on for forgiveness, comfort, confirmation, adoration...the only difference is to some that God is supernatural and to others that god is their spouse, children, school, job, or self. Merry Christmas and thanks for not crossing a line of no return so that i will feel comfortable in engaging with you in the future.


Quoting TCgirlatheart:

So you really CAN'T say what the atheist "belief system" is, though you insist they have one.



Quoting KamWorthy:

If you want to "believe" that, it's certainly your right.





"you never know how much you actually believe until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you".







Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Again, not offended.







There is only one thing that atheists, definitely, have in common, that is their disbelief in the existence of gods/goddesses.



That's it.


There is no system to one thing.






Quoting KamWorthy:

The word system is what has offended you this entire time? Again, I apologize. I did not anticipate a word that simply means a formal organized set of mechanics or process prevalent and coherent amongst a society, community or group to carry so much weight. The fact still remains, atheist have an individual belief system, simply by the fact they are living, breathing human beings.







Quoting TCgirlatheart:

It says "beliefs", a general term, not "belief system" as you specifically said.




It seems to be very difficult for you to back that up now though. Perhaps you were mistaken?










Quoting KamWorthy:






The article itself even refers to atheism as a belief. It's in the first paragraph.



















Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Not offended really, just puzzled why so many insist atheists must have some kind of belief system.





In your statement you were very certain that atheists do have a belief system.












Quoting KamWorthy:

I've offended you, I apologize. Forgive me. As far as me knowing the specifics of an atheists belief system, there is no way I could know that. But atheists are people that qualifies them to have a belief system. We all need. It's normal and very human.





























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

I'm asking you what you believe the "belief system of atheism is.






We all have hopes, yes, but why would I need something to believe in?














Quoting KamWorthy:

I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. But that's ok. I only wish for something to you to hope and trust ( believe) in.































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Yet you've specifically connected a "belief system" with atheists in your post to Candlegal.








Nice back-peddling. lol


















Quoting KamWorthy:

Believe simply means to trust and hope on. Everyone trusts and hopes in something.












































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

And that is? This atheist would certainly like to know if I'm doing it "wrong"...



















Quoting KamWorthy:

I agree!









Some think atheists don't have a belief system, they certainly do.

















































Quoting candlegal:

I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....


Huh?

Did you not read the article?

And do you want to talk percentages or do you want to talk sheer numbers?

Because the Christians have a huge advantage because there have been so many more of them over time than there are atheists.

And does this response mean you don't care about atheist persecution, only Christian?


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romalove
by Roma on Dec. 11, 2012 at 6:45 PM

What I made bigger is completely untrue.  Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, and repeating it under different screen names doesn't make it true either.

I see you.....

Quoting KamWorthy:

Oh I already gave an example a couple of pages back...I thought you read it and even responded. I might be mistaken. But at this point it's just not interesting to me anymore. I know that everyone has a god they trust, believe in, rely on for forgiveness, comfort, confirmation, adoration...the only difference is to some that God is supernatural and to others that god is their spouse, children, school, job, or self. Merry Christmas and thanks for not crossing a line of no return so that i will feel comfortable in engaging with you in the future.

tweety101149
by Platinum Member on Dec. 11, 2012 at 7:49 PM

 I wonder if as many Christians have been killed, persecuted as people of non Christian faiths, for instance people of Muslim, Jewish and nature base faiths,pagan/wicca-and humanistic faiths.  Please candle.., I really don't think you really can speak of persecution until you stepped in one of these paths.


 

Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....



butterfly on headlynda  




Euphoric
by Bazinga! on Dec. 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM
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Quoting romalove:


Quoting Euphoric:

 That's just real unfortunate that you can't feel comfortable being who you are. One of the reasons I've rejected my husband's idea of moving to the south.

Quoting LucyMom08:

I live in the Deep South...SO and I are.pretty much 'in the closet', so to speak, about being atheists...

Quoting Euphoric:

 


Quoting romalove:




Quoting candlegal:




Quoting romalove:




Quoting candlegal:


Yes they are offensive but it is their right to put them up, negative or not.   What bothers me about most of these lawsuits is that in a lot of cases there is no one having to do with the individual situation that is suing, it is an athiest group from out of state.


Quoting tooptimistic:


The billboards are a little offensive. 


If you are Muslim, you don't believe your religion is a myth, so telling them how they believe is a myth is setting out to offend.  The sign falls under free speech, and if you pay for the billboard they willl put whatever you want on it, but it looks like a more positive message would be better pr.  Not really the best way to gain acceptance and understanding.


Why a negative message, why not a more positive one.  I don't care what religion someone else is, my beliefs my business.. You beliefs your business.  I


ts hard to have a positive  image when everything you hear about a group  is negative.. the atheist group is suing again, the atheist group tried to stop a graduation speech, the atheist group is putting up negative billboard.  JMO, but maybe they would get more respect if they were a little more positive.  Its offensive to call others beliefs a myth or a fairy tale or a lie. They need a better PR campaign.




Let me ask you a question.


Do you ever feel uncomfortable to tell people you are a Christian? NO Do you wear a cross? Yes Would you feel comfortable doing so? YES I do  In your real life (not online) do you have people rebuking you for being Christian? NO


If so, please tell me when and under what circumstances.  Thanks.


That is 4 questions    :)


Sorry lol.  I got on a roll!


I asked you those questions because that's the difference between being a Christian in America and being an atheist.


I am surrounded by people who wear their religion on their metaphorical sleeve and on their actual bodies.  No problem wearing cross or Jewish star, lots of Muslims here and ladies in hijab, we have a lot of Asian Indians so Sikhs wearing turbans, truthfully we don't have religious problems at all.  Everyone lives together just fine and everyone is comfortable to be who they are.


It is different for atheists.  We are on every list of most hated and least trusted.  We live a Don't Ask, Don't Tell existence whereby we are afraid if people know we don't believe in God we will be treated with asbestos gloves.  People will not want their kids to be friends with your kid, or not want to be friends with you.


It is just not real to say atheists have a similar experience to Christians in America.  And worldwide the situation is completely dire.


 That's just unbelievably sad. Where I live, nobody cares what religion or non religion someone is. My husband is athiest and we have several friends from religious families/back grounds.

 

I think it is much more prevalent to have LucyMom's situation than your husband's.  And I live in the "liberal" northeast.

 Yeah That's true. For some reason we just happen to know many people who don't care about other's beliefs/ non beliefs.  I wish it were like that everywhere.

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KamWorthy
by Silver Member on Dec. 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM
( lowercase "god" ) a superior, important being or object according to some particular conception. Again, everyone serves some sort of god or God.
Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Eh, I disagree, asking a person to forgive you because you hurt them, is very different than asking a higher power forgiveness so you can get into a pleasant afterlife(<-- to be general).

Merry Christmas to you as well.


Quoting KamWorthy:


Oh I already gave an example a couple of pages back...I thought you read it and even responded. I might be mistaken. But at this point it's just not interesting to me anymore. I know that everyone has a god they trust, believe in, rely on for forgiveness, comfort, confirmation, adoration...the only difference is to some that God is supernatural and to others that god is their spouse, children, school, job, or self. Merry Christmas and thanks for not crossing a line of no return so that i will feel comfortable in engaging with you in the future.


Quoting TCgirlatheart:

So you really CAN'T say what the atheist "belief system" is, though you insist they have one.



Quoting KamWorthy:

If you want to "believe" that, it's certainly your right.





"you never know how much you actually believe until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you".







Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Again, not offended.







There is only one thing that atheists, definitely, have in common, that is their disbelief in the existence of gods/goddesses.



That's it.


There is no system to one thing.






Quoting KamWorthy:

The word system is what has offended you this entire time? Again, I apologize. I did not anticipate a word that simply means a formal organized set of mechanics or process prevalent and coherent amongst a society, community or group to carry so much weight. The fact still remains, atheist have an individual belief system, simply by the fact they are living, breathing human beings.







Quoting TCgirlatheart:

It says "beliefs", a general term, not "belief system" as you specifically said.




It seems to be very difficult for you to back that up now though. Perhaps you were mistaken?










Quoting KamWorthy:






The article itself even refers to atheism as a belief. It's in the first paragraph.



















Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Not offended really, just puzzled why so many insist atheists must have some kind of belief system.





In your statement you were very certain that atheists do have a belief system.












Quoting KamWorthy:

I've offended you, I apologize. Forgive me. As far as me knowing the specifics of an atheists belief system, there is no way I could know that. But atheists are people that qualifies them to have a belief system. We all need. It's normal and very human.





























Quoting TCgirlatheart:

I'm asking you what you believe the "belief system of atheism is.






We all have hopes, yes, but why would I need something to believe in?














Quoting KamWorthy:

I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. But that's ok. I only wish for something to you to hope and trust ( believe) in.































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

Yet you've specifically connected a "belief system" with atheists in your post to Candlegal.








Nice back-peddling. lol


















Quoting KamWorthy:

Believe simply means to trust and hope on. Everyone trusts and hopes in something.












































Quoting TCgirlatheart:

And that is? This atheist would certainly like to know if I'm doing it "wrong"...



















Quoting KamWorthy:

I agree!









Some think atheists don't have a belief system, they certainly do.

















































Quoting candlegal:

I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their beliefs.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if as many athiests have been killed for their lack of religion as Christians have been for theirs?

Quoting romalove:

I thought I might put some perspective here for those who like to cry "persecution"....


Huh?

Did you not read the article?

And do you want to talk percentages or do you want to talk sheer numbers?

Because the Christians have a huge advantage because there have been so many more of them over time than there are atheists.

And does this response mean you don't care about atheist persecution, only Christian?


KamWorthy
by Silver Member on Dec. 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM
I know that everyone has a god they trust, believe in, rely on for forgiveness, comfort, confirmation, adoration...the only difference is to some that God is supernatural and to others that god is their spouse, children, school, job, or self.
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