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What is Worth Protecting More?

Posted by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 6:42 AM
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     I am a conflicted American citizen. My husband is an expert marksman. He was a sharp shooter while in the Marines and served as the Firearms Instructor for his police department for 18 years. My brother is a responsible adult who finds enjoyment in target shooting, researching his guns and follows the rules that apply to our state when purchasing his weapons. My sister, brother-in-law and nephews all enjoy family time at the range. My nephew has received rifles as birthday presents, and my own daughter, while visiting them in Arizona, blew everyone's minds with her natural skill at shooting. She had never before touched an actual gun, yet now holds the nickname of "Sniper Lee".

     However, I am the mom that loathes weapons. I have argued on MANY occasions with my husband about getting the kids anything gun related, from paintball guns to AirSoft guns to even water guns. I firmly believe that the casual nature of "first person shooter" games and the like, desensitize a young, easily influenced mind to the consequences of shooting an actual weapon and the repercussions that follow. You can show me all the scientific research to the contrary, but I feel how I feel. And nothing will change that.

     I acknowledge our "right to bear arms" and know that our constitution dictates that we, as Americans should be able to protect ourselves and pursue the act of hunting, collecting and shooting guns as a healthy, responsible pastime. But how do we balance safety with rights? From what I have gathered, the damaged young soul who is responsible for Friday's tragedy was psychologically challenged. He was most likely, on his own, never going to be able to legally own a gun based on his mental health. That's great. But his mother legally purchased weapons. And he had access to them. Now what? How do we get around THAT? Should the mother, God rest her poor soul, have been denied the ability to own weapons because of the liability she posed? And that's just the one of MANY layers of "what if's" that mires this extraordinarily important issue in a seemingly never ending Catch 22.

     I'm not arguing anyone's side. I'm not educated as to the laws as they pertain to each and every state. Nor am I playing a shithouse lawyer. I'm simply trying to process this situation and figure out how I feel about "gun control" as a whole. I'm a mom trying to tell my kids they will be safe in a world that seems to be anything but.

       As a resident of Toms River, NJ we recently dealt with the devastating SuperStorm Sandy. We had no power for two weeks. Our town was a war zone. Hell, our entire Coast.. and some places STILL are... Our property was damaged, flooded and essentially trashed. We watched, wrapped in each other's arms, as trees fell like toothpicks on our neighbors houses leaving nothing but destruction in their wake. We were terrified for our lives as the storm hit. But nature has no laws. Gale force winds aren't driven by a psychological "glitch". Mother Nature isn't a democrat or a republican that argues an issue on principal. We LITERALLY have no control over such acts of nature.

    I was able to help my children process this tragedy by taking them to volunteer at shelters, donating a truckload of toys to kids who called home a high school classroom and a cot. I had the kids help friends and strangers clean up, repair or replace. I hugged them as they cried for friends' whose homes literally disappeared. I wiped their tears and promised them we are "Jersey Strong" and we will rebuild bigger and better. And so the healing began, and continues to.

    But this... THIS... is no act of nature. And we aren't powerless to this. It may FEEL like we are. But somewhere, somehow we have to figure out how to protect our children from ourselves and our chest thumping, principal arguing, "rights" demanding selves. That young man, who I shall not refer to by name, is not to blame. WE ARE. We, as those same Americans who scream for our freedom and rights and equality, are the ones with blood on our hands. We let those children down. We abandoned those women who bravely gave their lives trying to save those precious angles. And yes.. we failed that mentally ill gunman and his mother. We need to decide that protecting our future presidents, musicians, doctors, lawyers, mothers, fathers, clergy, military, public service and every other possible thing that every one of those children COULD have and SHOULD have grown up to be, is BY FAR more valuable and worth protecting than some ink put to paper on December 15, 1791.

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stacefaceninja
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 6:55 AM
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I used to hate gins. Just the sight of one put me in a panic......until around 10 years ago, when someone else stuck a gun in my face, with my child standing there, and told me to either give him the keys to my car or I was one dead white bitch. ( I'm just quoting what he said...I have no idea what ethnicity he was) doesn't matter.....I was too busy trying to keep from shitting my pants and an eye on my son.

I have carried a gun since then. I know it's a popular idea that "you shoudn't carry a gun out of fear"...well, I'm not. I'm carrying it with a new sense of security. I don't think anyone "NEEDS" an automatic assault rifle....but then again, no one "needs" 4000 lbs of marijuana, but they will still continue to get it if they want it.(just a personal note, 4000 lbs of mj would be like manna from heaven in this house)

I say arm our teachers. They are the ones who are trapped in the room with all those kids. Wouldn't you like to know that your child's teacher is capable of telling the kids in that situation, to keep calm, close your eyes and hug your neighbor super tight.......and if that crazy SOB comes in that room, blast him before he even knows what hit him. Yeah, it would fucking suck to have to expose sweet little kids to this violence, but it sure beats the hell out of burying your baby. IMO.    Good post:) Thanks!

-If for any reason you feel an urge to correct my grammar, spelling, or punctuation, please suppress this urge. You are not important enough to me to spend time editing before I post.  I will just laugh at you-

sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:01 AM
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When the 2 nd amendment was written, they had no clue what kind of weapons would come

There need to more tighter restrictions
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sweet-a-kins
by Emerald Member on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:01 AM
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They are teachers

Not armed security guards


Quoting stacefaceninja:

I used to hate gins. Just the sight of one put me in a panic......until around 10 years ago, when someone else stuck a gun in my face, with my child standing there, and told me to either give him the keys to my car or I was one dead white bitch. ( I'm just quoting what he said...I have no idea what ethnicity he was) doesn't matter.....I was too busy trying to keep from shitting my pants and an eye on my son.

I have carried a gun since then. I know it's a popular idea that "you shoudn't carry a gun out of fear"...well, I'm not. I'm carrying it with a new sense of security. I don't think anyone "NEEDS" an automatic assault rifle....but then again, no one "needs" 4000 lbs of marijuana, but they will still continue to get it if they want it.(just a personal note, 4000 lbs of mj would be like manna from heaven in this house)

I say arm our teachers. They are the ones who are trapped in the room with all those kids. Wouldn't you like to know that your child's teacher is capable of telling the kids in that situation, to keep calm, close your eyes and hug your neighbor super tight.......and if that crazy SOB comes in that room, blast him before he even knows what hit him. Yeah, it would fucking suck to have to expose sweet little kids to this violence, but it sure beats the hell out of burying your baby. IMO.    Good post:) Thanks!

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stacefaceninja
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:08 AM

you are correct

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

They are teachers

Not armed security guards


Quoting stacefaceninja:

I used to hate gins. Just the sight of one put me in a panic......until around 10 years ago, when someone else stuck a gun in my face, with my child standing there, and told me to either give him the keys to my car or I was one dead white bitch. ( I'm just quoting what he said...I have no idea what ethnicity he was) doesn't matter.....I was too busy trying to keep from shitting my pants and an eye on my son.

I have carried a gun since then. I know it's a popular idea that "you shoudn't carry a gun out of fear"...well, I'm not. I'm carrying it with a new sense of security. I don't think anyone "NEEDS" an automatic assault rifle....but then again, no one "needs" 4000 lbs of marijuana, but they will still continue to get it if they want it.(just a personal note, 4000 lbs of mj would be like manna from heaven in this house)

I say arm our teachers. They are the ones who are trapped in the room with all those kids. Wouldn't you like to know that your child's teacher is capable of telling the kids in that situation, to keep calm, close your eyes and hug your neighbor super tight.......and if that crazy SOB comes in that room, blast him before he even knows what hit him. Yeah, it would fucking suck to have to expose sweet little kids to this violence, but it sure beats the hell out of burying your baby. IMO.    Good post:) Thanks!


-If for any reason you feel an urge to correct my grammar, spelling, or punctuation, please suppress this urge. You are not important enough to me to spend time editing before I post.  I will just laugh at you-

mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:13 AM

My kids' teachers having guns sounds so scary, and these shootings are pretty rare.  That being said, hell yeah...allow the teachers to have a gun (they won't all want to, they won't all know what to do with a gun).  But how many teachers flip out like this? 

Homeschooling seems like the best way to protect my babies...but I know that's not going to happen.

Quoting stacefaceninja:

I used to hate gins. Just the sight of one put me in a panic......until around 10 years ago, when someone else stuck a gun in my face, with my child standing there, and told me to either give him the keys to my car or I was one dead white bitch. ( I'm just quoting what he said...I have no idea what ethnicity he was) doesn't matter.....I was too busy trying to keep from shitting my pants and an eye on my son.

I have carried a gun since then. I know it's a popular idea that "you shoudn't carry a gun out of fear"...well, I'm not. I'm carrying it with a new sense of security. I don't think anyone "NEEDS" an automatic assault rifle....but then again, no one "needs" 4000 lbs of marijuana, but they will still continue to get it if they want it.(just a personal note, 4000 lbs of mj would be like manna from heaven in this house)

I say arm our teachers. They are the ones who are trapped in the room with all those kids. Wouldn't you like to know that your child's teacher is capable of telling the kids in that situation, to keep calm, close your eyes and hug your neighbor super tight.......and if that crazy SOB comes in that room, blast him before he even knows what hit him. Yeah, it would fucking suck to have to expose sweet little kids to this violence, but it sure beats the hell out of burying your baby. IMO.    Good post:) Thanks!


crystalplus1
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Im with this.

Quoting stacefaceninja:

I used to hate gins. Just the sight of one put me in a panic......until around 10 years ago, when someone else stuck a gun in my face, with my child standing there, and told me to either give him the keys to my car or I was one dead white bitch. ( I'm just quoting what he said...I have no idea what ethnicity he was) doesn't matter.....I was too busy trying to keep from shitting my pants and an eye on my son.

I have carried a gun since then. I know it's a popular idea that "you shoudn't carry a gun out of fear"...well, I'm not. I'm carrying it with a new sense of security. I don't think anyone "NEEDS" an automatic assault rifle....but then again, no one "needs" 4000 lbs of marijuana, but they will still continue to get it if they want it.(just a personal note, 4000 lbs of mj would be like manna from heaven in this house)

I say arm our teachers. They are the ones who are trapped in the room with all those kids. Wouldn't you like to know that your child's teacher is capable of telling the kids in that situation, to keep calm, close your eyes and hug your neighbor super tight.......and if that crazy SOB comes in that room, blast him before he even knows what hit him. Yeah, it would fucking suck to have to expose sweet little kids to this violence, but it sure beats the hell out of burying your baby. IMO.    Good post:) Thanks!


Simmeringhearts
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 7:29 AM

I don't own a gun. And don't know much about them. But, if comes right down to it (and it seems like it is), I would easily go get one to protect my children. I don't see that taking guns away will stop these tragic events from happening.

I just don't know what the answer is.

AMBG825
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 8:17 AM
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All rights are worth and should be protected. Once we start taking away rights out of simple fear there is no telling where it will stop. We have seen it happen the past. Patriot Act anyone?


Him having access to a gun is not the underlying cause. Not having access to quality medical care. No assistance to his family to help deal with his mental illness. Those should be the FIRST changes we look into making. Banning guns out of fear is not something we, as a nation should tolerate. Buying a gun out of fear is not an answer either.
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yourspecialkid
by on Dec. 18, 2012 at 8:38 AM
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 You might not feel that way if you had been assaulted.  I was assaulted and I now carry.  I haven't shot anyone yet.

I was raised around guns...learned to shoot when I was about 5.  We had water guns, nerf guns, a BB gun and air guns throughout my childhood.  My grandfather gave me my first real gun when I was 16...a .22 rifle...I still have it.  We have a number of weapons in our home including a crossbow and a compound bow....which are just as deadly as Grandpa...a custom made shotgun.  I know hundreds of families like mine that legally own guns.......WE aren't out there killing people.

Removing guns from my home will not stop a criminal from acquiring a weapon and killing when they choose.

FTR......I choose the Constitution....even if it means the life of someone in my family...the Constitution guided the nation before I came along and with the grace of God will do so long after I am gone.

 

CorpCityGrl
by Bronze Member on Dec. 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I don't think there is a right answer - you cannot please everyone.

I think that this country needs to take a look at several things - our gun laws (no one needs to have a semi-automatic weapon) and quality of mental healthcare.

About 6 years ago, at a fundraiser for Vets, I found myself staring down the barrel of a semi-automatic weapon as about 4 guys proceeded to steal money and jewelry and phones and anything of value from every single person in that room.  There were babies and mothers and fathers and senior citizens all in that room.  These guys could've killed everyone in that room and walked away.  When these guys were caught, they found the guns to be illegally obtained - it shows that if a person really wanted to get a gun, they could and that's what we have to work on.  How do we keep tighter control on guns?  How do we prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands?  What kind of gun control laws can we put into place and how are we going to enforce them?

I am married to a law guy and we have several guns in the house, as well as, a shotgun.  It's there to protect us, but it's not there so we can just go out and kill people.  We also make every single effort to lock it up and keep it out of reach from anybody.  I think that we are not as informed about gun safety as we should be and that's an issue.  We also do not exercise the common sense that we have when it comes to guns. 

This whole issue is about more than guns because I think that regardless of what the gun laws are, this person would've found a way to harm others because he was intent on doing so.  So, with that, we also have to exam where we've gone wrong as a country that those with mental health issues fall through the cracks.  How can we help them?  How can we make that help accessible?  What is the protocol?  It was clearly stated in several articles that his own mother warned the babysitter to never turn his back on him.  That is an indication that he was not to be trusted and that he may do some kind of harm, so where is the help.  How can we prevent others like him from committing such heinous acts?

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