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Half of single mothers 'do not want to work', says report

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Half of single mothers 'do not want to work', says report

Report: Government spending on persuading single mums into work is being wasted

UP to half of all single mothers do not want to work and simply will not take jobs, a report has found.

The analysis said Labour will never achieve its goal of persuading large numbers of lone parents to abandon a life on benefits because a huge proportion of them simply refuse to do so.

The study, produced by the Department for Work and Pensions, suggests much of the £3.4billion spent on attempts to encourage lone mothers to find jobs over the past ten years has been wasted.

It declared that Government campaigns 'struggle to make significant headway against the firm decision of some lone parents to choose not to work', and put this proportion at between 12 and 50 per cent.

Four out of ten lone mothers, the report added, say they do want to take jobs 'but only at some point in the future'.

New Labour's efforts to reduce poverty have centred on single parents since Tony Blair won the 1997 election.

As Chancellor, Gordon Brown devised the tax credits benefit system which currently pumps £16billion a year into the pockets of lower-paid working people and which is heavily biased towards helping single mothers.

Some £3.4billion has gone on the New Deal for Lone Parents, a welfare-to-work scheme meant to help single mothers into jobs.

However, recent figures showed that only around a fifth of those joining the New Deal find work that lasts more than a few weeks.

Mr Brown's target is to have 70 per cent of single parents in work.

However, this summer only 57.1 per cent were reported by Government surveys to be in employment.

The new analysis, carried out for the DWP by Andrew Thomas of Insite Research and Consulting, examined 'work focused interviews' which are a key part of the New Deal package.

Mothers must attend an interview if they wish to continue claiming the main benefit for the workless, income support.

The report said that although some mothers who are looking or willing to look for work derive some benefit from the interviews, most see going to one as a routine part of claiming benefits.

In spite of 'additional support premiums, incentives, transitional benefits, information on childcare and other elements that have been added piecemeal to the programme over the past five years,' the report found little progress had been made.

Interviews 'still appear to be unable to make significant headway against the firm decision of many to choose not to work'.

Ministers are understood to have discussed over the summer a system which would withdraw benefits from lone mothers who refuse to work.

The threat of withdrawing social security proved highly successful in the U.S. during the 1990s when used by President Bill Clinton.

But Mr Brown told the TUC conference earlier this month that the main change in Government policy would be to offer single parents even more incentives and extra benefits.

These will include £40 a week in taxpayer-subsidised pay - £60 a week in London - for the first year in work, £400 in training allowances, and a rule to allow single mothers to continue receiving state out-of-work benefits for their first six weeks in a job.

Critics of the system said that the DWP report was an admission that ten years of expensive Labour policies have failed.

Robert Whelan of the Civitas think tank said: "If people know they have the option of not working, they won't work. The only way is the Clinton way, in which you make it clear to people that they will lose their benefits if they don't work.

"In 1997 there was talk that the Government was going to do this as part of a wholesale reform of the welfare state. Instead what they have done is to produce the largest client group of the benefit-dependent in history."

by on Dec. 31, 2012 at 10:44 PM
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gludwig2000
by Gina on Jan. 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM
1 mom liked this

Quoting LindaClement:

Not a helpful question, imo.

Pointing out that 'we are from the US' on an international forum is ... uh ... inaccurate.

Noting where the stats are from, and even offering some that are local to you, is valid and welcome in any conversation.

Snotting about something being from outside the exact centre of the universe is petty.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Actually, I do. But you have to admit that when a group is majority American, as this one is, it is quite natural for us to mention that this article is not from the US, nor are the statistics. Add in the fact that your favorite subject seems to be single moms and how poorly we are doing, its no surprise that we would bring up the UK angle, is it? After all, isn't it natural to want to defend ourselves? I like you, but you really do seem to have something against single moms and knowing that, I usually avoid your posts concerning that subject. BTW, why was it wrong for me to ask for statistics concerning single moms here in the US? Isn't that where you are?

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Did anyone else notice that this report is from the UK? I'm not saying that its any better over here in the US, but if you want to put us single moms down, please use a report that is based on statistics here in the US. I work two jobs, and the main one I've been employed at for 12 and a half years. Most, not all, but most of the single moms I know work as well, just as the majority of "po folk" I know work, just don't make much money. I'm really getting sick of hearing about this lazy, entitlement mentality that myself and people like me are supposed to have!

Do you realize not every mom who participates in Cafemom forums is from the U.S.?

 


 People picked up on the oddest things, but okay, I will concede that I was wrong for bringing America into this. I guess that I will also apologize for assuming that the Majority of the Regular Posters in the group are American, and for assuming the same thing about Futureshock. But for the record, at no time did I state, nor believe that Americans are the center of the Universe, so that is projection on your part. I will continue to say, however, that the Majority of Single Mothers,  of which I am personally acquainted, work their asses off to take care of their families. I don't know anyone who manages to stay home and vie for the "welfare queen" title that is so popular now a days, and for the last 30 years despite the many statistics that are out there about us single moms. Why doesn't anybody want to pick up on the fact that many of the moms here,  who are single,  are saying that they work? I guess its just easier to try to muddy the water by bringing geography into it. After all, we are lazy, living off the govment with our hands out for that next entitlement while talking on our Obama phones.Oh well, not a big deal.

futureshock
by Ruby Member on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:17 PM


Quoting gludwig2000:

Quoting LindaClement:

Not a helpful question, imo.

Pointing out that 'we are from the US' on an international forum is ... uh ... inaccurate.

Noting where the stats are from, and even offering some that are local to you, is valid and welcome in any conversation.

Snotting about something being from outside the exact centre of the universe is petty.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Actually, I do. But you have to admit that when a group is majority American, as this one is, it is quite natural for us to mention that this article is not from the US, nor are the statistics. Add in the fact that your favorite subject seems to be single moms and how poorly we are doing, its no surprise that we would bring up the UK angle, is it? After all, isn't it natural to want to defend ourselves? I like you, but you really do seem to have something against single moms and knowing that, I usually avoid your posts concerning that subject. BTW, why was it wrong for me to ask for statistics concerning single moms here in the US? Isn't that where you are?

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Did anyone else notice that this report is from the UK? I'm not saying that its any better over here in the US, but if you want to put us single moms down, please use a report that is based on statistics here in the US. I work two jobs, and the main one I've been employed at for 12 and a half years. Most, not all, but most of the single moms I know work as well, just as the majority of "po folk" I know work, just don't make much money. I'm really getting sick of hearing about this lazy, entitlement mentality that myself and people like me are supposed to have!

Do you realize not every mom who participates in Cafemom forums is from the U.S.?

 


 People picked up on the oddest things, but okay, I will concede that I was wrong for bringing America into this. I guess that I will also apologize for assuming that the Majority of the Regular Posters in the group are American, and for assuming the same thing about Futureshock. But for the record, at no time did I state, nor believe that Americans are the center of the Universe, so that is projection on your part. I will continue to say, however, that the Majority of Single Mothers,  of which I am personally acquainted, work their asses off to take care of their families. I don't know anyone who manages to stay home and vie for the "welfare queen" title that is so popular now a days, and for the last 30 years despite the many statistics that are out there about us single moms. Why doesn't anybody want to pick up on the fact that many of the moms here,  who are single,  are saying that they work? I guess its just easier to try to muddy the water by bringing geography into it. After all, we are lazy, living off the govment with our hands out for that next entitlement while talking on our Obama phones.Oh well, not a big deal.

I believe the women who say that they work actually do work.  This isn't about them.  It is about the women who do not want to work even though they are living in poverty and rely on public assistance.

jrobin8
by Member on Jan. 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM

 

Quoting Peanutx3:

Sigh

 

LindaClement
by Thatwoman on Jan. 5, 2013 at 3:47 AM

See, and I assumed that the women who didn't want to work were working --and would prefer not to be.

I suppose it depends on who you vilify, and who you think is persecuting you.

I expect moms to prefer to be with their kids, particularly if it's that or working at some dead-end job they can never see making any difference to any part of the world just so they can have the grand luxuries of the modern world like eating and sleeping indoors.

I didn't say you suggested America was the centre of the universe, I just implied that the expectation that everything of validity needs to be centred on it kinda says that all by itself.

Quoting gludwig2000:

Quoting LindaClement:

Not a helpful question, imo.

Pointing out that 'we are from the US' on an international forum is ... uh ... inaccurate.

Noting where the stats are from, and even offering some that are local to you, is valid and welcome in any conversation.

Snotting about something being from outside the exact centre of the universe is petty.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Actually, I do. But you have to admit that when a group is majority American, as this one is, it is quite natural for us to mention that this article is not from the US, nor are the statistics. Add in the fact that your favorite subject seems to be single moms and how poorly we are doing, its no surprise that we would bring up the UK angle, is it? After all, isn't it natural to want to defend ourselves? I like you, but you really do seem to have something against single moms and knowing that, I usually avoid your posts concerning that subject. BTW, why was it wrong for me to ask for statistics concerning single moms here in the US? Isn't that where you are?

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Did anyone else notice that this report is from the UK? I'm not saying that its any better over here in the US, but if you want to put us single moms down, please use a report that is based on statistics here in the US. I work two jobs, and the main one I've been employed at for 12 and a half years. Most, not all, but most of the single moms I know work as well, just as the majority of "po folk" I know work, just don't make much money. I'm really getting sick of hearing about this lazy, entitlement mentality that myself and people like me are supposed to have!

Do you realize not every mom who participates in Cafemom forums is from the U.S.?

 


 People picked up on the oddest things, but okay, I will concede that I was wrong for bringing America into this. I guess that I will also apologize for assuming that the Majority of the Regular Posters in the group are American, and for assuming the same thing about Futureshock. But for the record, at no time did I state, nor believe that Americans are the center of the Universe, so that is projection on your part. I will continue to say, however, that the Majority of Single Mothers,  of which I am personally acquainted, work their asses off to take care of their families. I don't know anyone who manages to stay home and vie for the "welfare queen" title that is so popular now a days, and for the last 30 years despite the many statistics that are out there about us single moms. Why doesn't anybody want to pick up on the fact that many of the moms here,  who are single,  are saying that they work? I guess its just easier to try to muddy the water by bringing geography into it. After all, we are lazy, living off the govment with our hands out for that next entitlement while talking on our Obama phones.Oh well, not a big deal.


gludwig2000
by Gina on Jan. 6, 2013 at 8:18 PM

 Okay, I understand what you are saying, and when I think about it, you are right.

Quoting LindaClement:

See, and I assumed that the women who didn't want to work were working --and would prefer not to be.

I suppose it depends on who you vilify, and who you think is persecuting you.

I expect moms to prefer to be with their kids, particularly if it's that or working at some dead-end job they can never see making any difference to any part of the world just so they can have the grand luxuries of the modern world like eating and sleeping indoors.

I didn't say you suggested America was the centre of the universe, I just implied that the expectation that everything of validity needs to be centred on it kinda says that all by itself.

Quoting gludwig2000:

Quoting LindaClement:

Not a helpful question, imo.

Pointing out that 'we are from the US' on an international forum is ... uh ... inaccurate.

Noting where the stats are from, and even offering some that are local to you, is valid and welcome in any conversation.

Snotting about something being from outside the exact centre of the universe is petty.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Actually, I do. But you have to admit that when a group is majority American, as this one is, it is quite natural for us to mention that this article is not from the US, nor are the statistics. Add in the fact that your favorite subject seems to be single moms and how poorly we are doing, its no surprise that we would bring up the UK angle, is it? After all, isn't it natural to want to defend ourselves? I like you, but you really do seem to have something against single moms and knowing that, I usually avoid your posts concerning that subject. BTW, why was it wrong for me to ask for statistics concerning single moms here in the US? Isn't that where you are?

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Did anyone else notice that this report is from the UK? I'm not saying that its any better over here in the US, but if you want to put us single moms down, please use a report that is based on statistics here in the US. I work two jobs, and the main one I've been employed at for 12 and a half years. Most, not all, but most of the single moms I know work as well, just as the majority of "po folk" I know work, just don't make much money. I'm really getting sick of hearing about this lazy, entitlement mentality that myself and people like me are supposed to have!

Do you realize not every mom who participates in Cafemom forums is from the U.S.?

 


 People picked up on the oddest things, but okay, I will concede that I was wrong for bringing America into this. I guess that I will also apologize for assuming that the Majority of the Regular Posters in the group are American, and for assuming the same thing about Futureshock. But for the record, at no time did I state, nor believe that Americans are the center of the Universe, so that is projection on your part. I will continue to say, however, that the Majority of Single Mothers,  of which I am personally acquainted, work their asses off to take care of their families. I don't know anyone who manages to stay home and vie for the "welfare queen" title that is so popular now a days, and for the last 30 years despite the many statistics that are out there about us single moms. Why doesn't anybody want to pick up on the fact that many of the moms here,  who are single,  are saying that they work? I guess its just easier to try to muddy the water by bringing geography into it. After all, we are lazy, living off the govment with our hands out for that next entitlement while talking on our Obama phones.Oh well, not a big deal.


 

LindaClement
by Thatwoman on Jan. 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I think we all do it -- we say things like 'everywhere' when we mean 'everywhere I mean'... :D

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Okay, I understand what you are saying, and when I think about it, you are right.

Quoting LindaClement:

See, and I assumed that the women who didn't want to work were working --and would prefer not to be.

I suppose it depends on who you vilify, and who you think is persecuting you.

I expect moms to prefer to be with their kids, particularly if it's that or working at some dead-end job they can never see making any difference to any part of the world just so they can have the grand luxuries of the modern world like eating and sleeping indoors.

I didn't say you suggested America was the centre of the universe, I just implied that the expectation that everything of validity needs to be centred on it kinda says that all by itself.

Quoting gludwig2000:

Quoting LindaClement:

Not a helpful question, imo.

Pointing out that 'we are from the US' on an international forum is ... uh ... inaccurate.

Noting where the stats are from, and even offering some that are local to you, is valid and welcome in any conversation.

Snotting about something being from outside the exact centre of the universe is petty.

Quoting gludwig2000:

 Actually, I do. But you have to admit that when a group is majority American, as this one is, it is quite natural for us to mention that this article is not from the US, nor are the statistics. Add in the fact that your favorite subject seems to be single moms and how poorly we are doing, its no surprise that we would bring up the UK angle, is it? After all, isn't it natural to want to defend ourselves? I like you, but you really do seem to have something against single moms and knowing that, I usually avoid your posts concerning that subject. BTW, why was it wrong for me to ask for statistics concerning single moms here in the US? Isn't that where you are?

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting gludwig2000:

 Did anyone else notice that this report is from the UK? I'm not saying that its any better over here in the US, but if you want to put us single moms down, please use a report that is based on statistics here in the US. I work two jobs, and the main one I've been employed at for 12 and a half years. Most, not all, but most of the single moms I know work as well, just as the majority of "po folk" I know work, just don't make much money. I'm really getting sick of hearing about this lazy, entitlement mentality that myself and people like me are supposed to have!

Do you realize not every mom who participates in Cafemom forums is from the U.S.?

 


 People picked up on the oddest things, but okay, I will concede that I was wrong for bringing America into this. I guess that I will also apologize for assuming that the Majority of the Regular Posters in the group are American, and for assuming the same thing about Futureshock. But for the record, at no time did I state, nor believe that Americans are the center of the Universe, so that is projection on your part. I will continue to say, however, that the Majority of Single Mothers,  of which I am personally acquainted, work their asses off to take care of their families. I don't know anyone who manages to stay home and vie for the "welfare queen" title that is so popular now a days, and for the last 30 years despite the many statistics that are out there about us single moms. Why doesn't anybody want to pick up on the fact that many of the moms here,  who are single,  are saying that they work? I guess its just easier to try to muddy the water by bringing geography into it. After all, we are lazy, living off the govment with our hands out for that next entitlement while talking on our Obama phones.Oh well, not a big deal.


 


cookoo49
by on Apr. 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Bull shit

Peanutx3
by Ruby Member on Apr. 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM
1 mom liked this

Good grief why did you have to dredge up this crap?

Quoting cookoo49:

Bull shit



cookoo49
by on Apr. 4, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Srry that was not my intent

Peanutx3
by Ruby Member on Apr. 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM
1 mom liked this

I know it wasn't but this particular poster seems addicted to posting articles on the downfall of society because of single moms.  She will claim she isn't doing that but it is how these articles come across.

Quoting cookoo49:

Srry that was not my intent



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