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Do you think it’s fair to fire someone who refuses to get a flu shot?

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Hospital Workers Fired for Refusing to Get a Flu Shot

Posted by Deborah Cruz on January 4, 2013 

flu shotEight hospital employees have lost their jobs after refusing to get the flu shot, which became mandatory for all staff this year.

Workers at IU Health Goshen Hospital in Indiana had the option to file for medical or religious exemptions -- but were then given the boot when they wouldn't get the vaccine.

The hospital says its new stricter rules are meant to protect patients with weaker immune systems, since the flu can be particularly dangerous and even deadly if those people catch it. While I appreciate that they're looking out for their patients' well-being, I have to wonder: what about the rights of their own employees?

I understand the flu has a high mortality rate in people who already have weakened immune systems and could quite literally kill patients. I even understand why the hospital is trying to force their employees to get the flu shot, since not being vaccinated seems irresponsible when you work directly with sick people.

But if this were any other field and employers were trying to make their staff get this or any other vaccine, it would be considered an infringement on their rights and personal beliefs.

These hospital workers deserve to get their jobs back. For one thing, it's opening the door to other employers to require staff to get shots or other medical procedures as a contingency for employment. And for another, vaccines are a personal choice and carry with them some potential for harm, so if someone doesn't want one, they should not be forced to get it.

There has to be an alternative to people who have dedicated their entire lives to the field of medicine being given a pink slip because they don’t want the flu shot. Maybe there should be a forced leave of absence without pay during flu season or a quarantine in which those employees are prohibited from working with patients with compromised immune systems. But it makes no sense that they were given the chance to opt out -- only to be fired. That seems like discrimination to me.

Do you think it’s fair to fire someone who refuses to get a flu shot?

by on Jan. 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM
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opinionatedmom
by on Jan. 6, 2013 at 5:31 AM
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 I think it is unfair and discrimination. and I am one of the people with the "compromised immune system". I have asthma and am supposed to get a flu shot every year and have never had one and never get the flu. I don't think it helps to have one, being one of the "compromised immune system" that doesn't get a shot. If I am so compromised why do I never get the flu?

brittanyx22
by on Jan. 6, 2013 at 6:34 AM
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It is what it is. They have to protect their employees and their patients. My mom is a nurse and htes that she has to get the flu shot because she always gets sick afterwards but she sucks it up. Is that really something to fight about and lose your job over? I don't think so!
emmy526
by Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 6:45 AM
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NO, it isn't fair, and here's a way out of forced vaccinations for work

Healthcare Workers: How to Refuse Mandatory Vaccines and Not Get Fired

FEBRUARY 28, 2012 · 142 COMMENTS

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At our local Weston A. Price chapter meeting last week, a woman named Becky came up to reintroduce herself.  A while back she told me that the hospital she works for was now making flu shots mandatory, and she didn’t know what to do.  She wanted to let me know how that all turned out — you’ll be shocked!

BY THE WAY – Here’s a newer post to check out after this one:  Why One Man is Choosing the Mask and another:  Healthcare Workers – How to Avoid the Flu Shot and Not Get Fired (Part 2)

You’ll be amazed at how well written this letter is and how well thought out Becky’s arguments are.

Here’s Becky’s letter to the higher-ups at the hospital:

(Full name withheld), RN 

To whom it may concern:

I am writing to formally defend my decision to decline the influenza vaccination. I have made this decision based on strong moral and ethical convictions that are supported by my religious beliefs, medical research and legal precedent. 

Medical research indicates that the efficacy of the influenza vaccination is grossly exaggerated (1).

 The British Medical Journal has questioned the validity of studies claiming efficacy and stated that “evidence from systemic reviews shows that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured.” (2)

 Another journal has proven influenza vaccinations have not changed the amount of doctor visits or hospitalizations in children (3,4,5), and another shows that vaccinations have not impacted the mortality rate of the elderly population. (6,7)

 There is also a lack of supporting evidence to show that vaccinating healthcare workers prevents influenza transmission. (8)

 I believe that these vaccinations are providing a false sense of security and therefore putting our patients at risk. 

 An even greater risk exists for those that receive the vaccination. The CDC lists the following as being found in the influenza vaccination: Neomycin, Polymyxin B, formaldehyde or formalin,  thimerosal, embryonated chicken eggs, egg albumin, gelatin, Gentamycin, Polyoxyethylene 9-10 Nonyl Phenol (Triton N-101, Octoxynol 9), chick kidney cells and Taurodeoxychoalate. (9)

 Many of these are known carcinogens and detergents that have unknown effects on the human body. Chronic over exposure to antibiotics has also proven to be detrimental to overall health. (10)

  Some of the potential side effects from the vaccination include anaphylaxis, allergic asthma, redness and discomfort at the injection site, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, vasculitis, body aches, paresthesia, neuopathy, seizure, facial palsy, facial paresis, Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, headache, sore throat, muscle aches, cough, chills, fever, encephalitis and meningitis. (11)

 Thimerosal has been shown to potentially increase the risk of Alzheimer’s Disease, brain damage and nervous system injury. (12,13,14)

This is especially alarming to me as my grandfather passed away at the beginning of the year as a result of Alzheimer’s Disease. Package inserts also state that the vaccination/mist “has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or its potential to impair fertility.” This clearly states then that very little is known about the long-term health effects of receiving this vaccination. There is also no guarantee of protection from influenza or potential temporary or permanent injury or even death. 

I believe that vaccination is an invasive medical procedure and based on the above, is an experimental procedure. While I support the hospital’s desire to maintain safety for both patients and staff, I cannot support the use of mandatory vaccinations to achieve this goal. The mandatory administration of this is in direct violation of the Nuremberg Code which states in article 1 that consent should be voluntary and allow for “free power of choice without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of  constraint or coercion.” Article 6 states, “the degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.” And article 9, “During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.” (15)

As a Christian I believe I am to treat my body with respect as it is a gift from God (see 2 Corinthians 7:1 and 1 Corinthians 6:19 and 20). I believe that destroying life and knowingly injecting myself with toxins is a contradiction to my beliefs and unacceptable. Health is of great importance to me and something that I do not take lightly. I choose to maintain my health by following The Weston A. Price Foundation’s recommendations on nutrition. 916)

 I also adhere to regular exercise, proper vitamin D intake (17), adequate rest and stress management, and appropriate preventative health care. My desire is to continue to do the above and to partner with (hospital name withheld) in providing excellent patient care.

Sincerely,

(Full name withheld), RN           (See references below.)

SUCCESS!

Becky was able to keep her job and not get the flu vaccine, pretty impressive, huh?!

A note from from Becky to all of you, my readers:

I was originally supposed to go before a committee from the hospital and defend my position, but we were unable to find a time that worked for all of us.  The way the mandate is presented to the employees makes it seem as though the only exemptions they allow are medically based, and that even those are rare exemptions. You can be sure they don’t like to heavily advertise the fact that you can stand up for yourself and not follow their mandates. So in the end I presented this to the HR representative from the committee, who then brought it back to the committee and then contacted me. The meeting I had with him went well because I had prepared this calmly and rationally the night before, so if anyone is asking advice on how to approach a situation like this (besides with lots of prayer), clearly stated knowledge is the best thing you can have. The other thing that I learned from this is not only to arm yourself with knowledge, but to be consistent. That’s what the committee was looking for; they wanted to know that I hadn’t just grabbed this off the internet because it sounded like it might work. I want to encourage people that read this letter to make it their own. Please, feel free to use the ideas and references, but make sure it means something to you and put it into your own words. The chance of success will be better if there is palpable passion behind the words. And truly, for me, I wanted to know I had given it my all, even if I did lose my job. 

If you have any similar stories to share, please do in the comments!

 Check out these great references provided with the letter above:

1 Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006;1.

2 BMJ 2006;333:

3 Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2008 Oct;162(10):943-51

4 Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008;2.

5 Arch Dis Child. 2004 Aug;89(8):734-5.

6 Lancet Infect Dis. 2007 Oct;7(10):658-66

7 Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2008 Sep 1;178(5):527-33. Epub 2008 Jun 12.

8 Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2010 Feb 17;(2):CD005187

9 http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf accessed 12/11/11

10 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/06/18/antibiotics-bacteria.aspxaccessed 12/11/11

11 Package inserts for FluMist and Fluarix

12 Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry. 2009;91(4):735-49.

13 Cell Biol Toxicol. 2010 Apr;26(2):143-52. Epub 2009 Apr 9.

14 http://drtenpenny.com/should_flu.aspx accessed 12/11/11

15 http://ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/nuremberg.html accessed 12/11/11

16 http://www.westonaprice.org/ accessed 12/11/11

17 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870528/ accessed 12/11/11

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meriana
by Platinum Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 6:48 AM

I don't think anyone should be forced in any way to get a vaccination they don't want. I, personally, haven't heard of anyone dying from the flu that they contracted while in the hospital for something else, I have, however, heard of people dying from contracting such things as staph infections while in the hospital for something unrelated.

The CDC constantly claims one cannot get flu from a flu vaccination however a lot of people seem to get very ill after getting it. Quite frankly I think the majority of adults know the difference between the a case of the flu and a very bad cold of some sort.

priceless3238
by on Jan. 6, 2013 at 6:58 AM
I got the flu shot twice and got the flu both times and had to be hospitalized. After that I decided never to get the flu shot again and i haven't had the flu in a couple years. The flu shots are not that great and do not protect against every strain. They can also make you have the flu a lot worse than it would be without the shot. A hospital of all places should know this. I do not think it is fair at all
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emmy526
by Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM

It seems as tho this particular year, everyone i know of who got the shot, got sick immediately afterwards with the flu for at least3-5 days...every year we hear the same old shit, with them saying how dangerous the flu season is this year, and by all means, go out and get a useless vaccine to boost pharma's profits and boost vax compliance rates. 

minnesotamommie
by on Jan. 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM
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it's not like this is new, I was required to be vaccinated for hep B to work in a group home

colins_mom
by Silver Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 7:45 AM
My mom would have been fired. She is allergic to Eggs so she can't get it. Its a slippery slope they are treading down...
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emmy526
by Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 7:58 AM

govt's mandating flu vaccines for healthcare workers IS new....firing workers for refusal of the FLU vaccine  IS new..

Quoting minnesotamommie:

it's not like this is new, I was required to be vaccinated for hep B to work in a group home


EireLass
by Ruby Member on Jan. 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM

If it's in their rules and regulations to work there, then sure. I'm sure they get shots for other things as well. If you work with dogs, most places make you go through a series of shots. Flu shots have been around for a long time. I find it hard to believe that these people didn't expect this.

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