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What's the deal about teachers?

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Please explain what I'm missing here. I know I'm missing something, but I just can't seem to grasp it.

I'm in WI.  We just has an overhaul of our public workers' unions, including the teachers. Teachers now have to pay a small percent for their health insurance, and a small percent for their pension.  (less than 10% for both I think it's 6% of the premiums for insurance, and 8% for pensions, but not 100% sure).  And collective bargaining has ended, meaning teachers CAN be represented by a union, however the union doesn't have much say for anything other than salary raises up to a few percent per year.

So my middle-of-the-road-friend and I were talking about another "friend", we all went to school together.  My friend mentions our other friend, who is a teacher, is looking into quitting and going into another line of work b/c of the politics, b/c so much was taken away. My middle-of-the-road friend didn't elaborate, she doesn't like politics talk.

So I come home and look up other friend, public employees salaries are all accessible online.  She makes 43k and gets 31k in benefits - so while she makes 43k, she costs us 74k.  Pension, healthcare, sick days (I think WI teachers get like 12 or something crazy like that), vacation days,  I'm not sure how all of that addes up to 31k!   As a taxpayer I think that's crazy.  She gets paid a decent amount, nothing huge, not too low.  Certainly livable and then some - plus she doesn't have to save much for retirement since that nice cushy pension will be waiting for her.   I get that teacher is a job, some teachers have it harder than others, but almost all have about 3 months off during the year.  I get that while school is in session they might work more than 40 hr/wk, but I doubt they work so much more that it averages to 40hr/wk for 50 wks. (I doubt it's 2000 hrs, like a regular job).

I just hear so many teachers complain about their job and go on and on how hard it is to be a teacher. but I can't think it's much harder than any other job. And other jobs don't have summers off, and end with a cushy pension. 

What am I missing?  They lost a little in the union stuff that happened, but they used to not pay anything for their health and pension.  Don't they see that they had a ridiculousy sweet deal before and now they have just a sweet deal.  Don't they see they were taking advantage of the tax payers and now, well they still have a good job, with good ay and awesome benefits.

I was a TA while in grad school, I got my tution for free and got paid, like 5k - that was a sweet deal for the amount of work I did (very little).  I wouldn't have fussed if they cut my pay b/c I shouldn't have made that much to begin with.


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by on Jan. 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM
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LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jan. 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

 This!!  We are doing a combination of home-school and virtual school with my oldest.  It is exhausting.

Quoting JakeandEmmasMom:

I've never been a public school teacher, but I did homeschool my own three children for two years. My own children. Who I love, adore, and would throw myself in front if a speeding train for. Three. Not 23. Not 33. Three. It was an unbelievable amout of work preparing lesson plans, getting materials together, correcting work, figuring out different ways to teach concepts they were struggling with...I could go on. For every hour I spent actually teaching, I easily spent an hour and a half preparing. I didn't even have to deal much with discipline problem children. I didn't have to deal with obnoxious parents. I can't imagine being a public school teacher and having people who really have no clue what it takes to be a teacher looking at my middle class income and being told its too much. I can't tell you how enraged I would be.

It also occurs to me that we all like to say that our children are the most important things. How their educations should be our top priority. And then bitch about putting our money where our mouth is. Face it. Our kids really aren't that important. If they were, we wouldn't be complaining about paying our teachers a living wage.

 

romalove
by Roma on Jan. 15, 2013 at 6:55 PM


Quoting LauraKW:

 I have a large bottle of Moscato.  Is yours red or white?

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Bring cookies.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting LauraKW:

 I'm just going to watch this one.

  I'll sit on your bench. I'm a little disgruntled with my daughters teacher right now, so I don't have many nice things to say about teachers.

 

I'm furious with one of my daughter's teachers right now, so I'm bringing a large bottle of wine.  I will share.

 

I have a Vino Verde.

Euphoric
by Bazinga! on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:01 PM

 Are you a teacher?

LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM

 Doesn't verde mean green?  You have green wine?  As I watch my child kill a virtual minecraft sheep.  Damn, loading my glass now.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 I have a large bottle of Moscato.  Is yours red or white?

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Bring cookies.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting LauraKW:

 I'm just going to watch this one.

  I'll sit on your bench. I'm a little disgruntled with my daughters teacher right now, so I don't have many nice things to say about teachers.

 

I'm furious with one of my daughter's teachers right now, so I'm bringing a large bottle of wine.  I will share.

 

I have a Vino Verde.

 

desertlvn
by Silver Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:09 PM
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1) People are always complaining about teachers. 

2)The responsibility is outrageous. It is incredibly stressful. I am TEACHING children everyday for an entire school year. I am constantly aware of how every word and action impact EVERY child in the class. 

3)Every parent loves their child. Our children are the most important things in our lives. So the "customer service" that is involved with the job is completely overpowering. We don't have enough homework, we give too much, we are too strict, we aren't strict enough, we don't help enough, we do too much hand-holding..... The negativity that parents bring into the classroom far outweighs the positives, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone.

4)The media is constantly portraying teachers in a bad light.

5) The standards constantly change. Meaning we have to revamp our resources and lessons frequently.

6) I plan every minute that I teach. Not easy.

7) Jobs have been cut every year since I have been teaching. In my city 12 entire schools in one district are closing down. Job security my ass.

Part 1- I'll come back and post part 2 soon when I have some time.

romalove
by Roma on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:10 PM


Quoting LauraKW:

 Doesn't verde mean green?  You have green wine?  As I watch my child kill a virtual minecraft sheep.  Damn, loading my glass now.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 I have a large bottle of Moscato.  Is yours red or white?

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Bring cookies.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting LauraKW:

 I'm just going to watch this one.

  I'll sit on your bench. I'm a little disgruntled with my daughters teacher right now, so I don't have many nice things to say about teachers.

 

I'm furious with one of my daughter's teachers right now, so I'm bringing a large bottle of wine.  I will share.

 

I have a Vino Verde.

 

Yes, it means "green wine".  It's from Portugal, and it's a lightly sparkling very crisp white wine.  A hint of sweetness as well, it's great over ice.  I love it especially in the summer but I am not picky and will drink it whenever.

wickedfiress
by Kellie on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM
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I would hope the people I am entrusting my children to for a good portion of their day are not "just doing it for the money" but I can't see how expecting nice benefits and more than just decent pay is greedy for these people I expect to influence my children positively.
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Woodbabe
by Woodie on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM
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I subbed for a few years and was going to get my degree in Special Ed...but ya know what? Besides my love of the job and of the children...it was the parents that led me into private therapy instead. At least there, they have come to you asking for help and acknowledge a problem. In school the teacher is always the problem, not the kids or the parents. It was insane. There is no way I could teach in a classroom today. At all. You can't pay those teachers enough for all the 'parental involvement/non-involvement' you deal with.

LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:17 PM

 *noting for future reference says the white wine lover*

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Doesn't verde mean green?  You have green wine?  As I watch my child kill a virtual minecraft sheep.  Damn, loading my glass now.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 I have a large bottle of Moscato.  Is yours red or white?

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Bring cookies.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting LauraKW:

 I'm just going to watch this one.

  I'll sit on your bench. I'm a little disgruntled with my daughters teacher right now, so I don't have many nice things to say about teachers.

 

I'm furious with one of my daughter's teachers right now, so I'm bringing a large bottle of wine.  I will share.

 

I have a Vino Verde.

 

Yes, it means "green wine".  It's from Portugal, and it's a lightly sparkling very crisp white wine.  A hint of sweetness as well, it's great over ice.  I love it especially in the summer but I am not picky and will drink it whenever.

 

romalove
by Roma on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:18 PM


Quoting LauraKW:

 *noting for future reference says the white wine lover*

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Doesn't verde mean green?  You have green wine?  As I watch my child kill a virtual minecraft sheep.  Damn, loading my glass now.

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 I have a large bottle of Moscato.  Is yours red or white?

Quoting romalove:


Quoting LauraKW:

 Bring cookies.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 

Quoting LauraKW:

 I'm just going to watch this one.

  I'll sit on your bench. I'm a little disgruntled with my daughters teacher right now, so I don't have many nice things to say about teachers.

 

I'm furious with one of my daughter's teachers right now, so I'm bringing a large bottle of wine.  I will share.

 

I have a Vino Verde.

 

Yes, it means "green wine".  It's from Portugal, and it's a lightly sparkling very crisp white wine.  A hint of sweetness as well, it's great over ice.  I love it especially in the summer but I am not picky and will drink it whenever.

 

Do you have a Trader Joe's near you?  They carry two or three different kinds all under $5 a bottle.

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