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God of Wonders and One Race

Posted by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 2:48 AM
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The original thread seems to have been deleted, so here's a replacement.

As always, please try to avoid personal insults.

by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 2:48 AM
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Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Summary:

Someone posted you tube links to a very long Christian DVD preaching that God must exist because of various standard arguments that gave it an excuse to put up pretty pictures of the natural world.

Other people posted objections to specific points raised by the DVD, such as the DVD claiming that there was no way, according to evolution, that the Clown Fish could have evolved resistence to the poison from anemones.

The OP refused to discuss the content of the DVD.

Other people objected to this as 'drive by' preaching, not really in the spirit of a discussion group.

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 2:55 AM

So, here's the DVD itself:


anyone want to discuss specific claims made in it?

Goodwoman614
by Satan on Jan. 18, 2013 at 2:59 AM

*shrug*

toomanypoodles
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 3:11 AM

 Where are the videos?  If this is a replacement post shouldn't her videos be reposted?

Or do people just want to keep attacking her?

Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:14 AM
Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where are the videos?

I posted it.


romalove
by Roma on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:05 AM
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Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where are the videos?  If this is a replacement post shouldn't her videos be reposted?

Or do people just want to keep attacking her?

You are confused as to why she got flack.

It isn't because she's a Christian.

It isn't because she's a creationist.

It's because she posted information without context as to what she wanted to discuss, and when people tried to engage or discuss it she refused to discuss the content, in fact saying to one person they were "struggling" against the truth and offering to help her when she decided she wanted help.

This is a debate and discussion group.  If you have something you post in the group, to expect people not to discuss or debate your content and topic is absurd.  If you refuse to do so and it's a religious topic, the conclusion will be reached that you are just here to proselytize, which is not looked upon kindly by many people.

This new thread is an attempt to make the other thread what it should have been in this group -- a place to discuss the topic at hand.

LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:14 AM
You do not think she deserves flack for posting in a discussion group and then refusing to discuss? Her behavior warranted a public reprimand, IMO.


Quoting toomanypoodles:

 Where are the videos?  If this is a replacement post shouldn't her videos be reposted?


Or do people just want to keep attacking her?


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Clairwil
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Can we discuss the video, rather than the poster?

Quoting Clairwil:

the DVD claiming that there was no way, according to evolution, that the Clown Fish could have evolved resistence to the poison from anemones.

For example, does anybody agree or disagree with the above claim from the DVD?  And, if so, why?

romalove
by Roma on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:40 AM


Quoting Clairwil:

Can we discuss the video, rather than the poster?

Quoting Clairwil:

the DVD claiming that there was no way, according to evolution, that the Clown Fish could have evolved resistence to the poison from anemones.

For example, does anybody agree or disagree with the above claim from the DVD?  And, if so, why?

What is the reasoning put forth in the DVD for why Clown Fish couldn't have evolved resistance to the poison from anemones?

romalove
by Roma on Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Clown anemonefish <-> Sea anemone
Nestling among the venomous stinging tentacles of a sea anemone seems like a very bad survival strategy -- unless you and the anemone have some kind of an arrangement. Clown anemonefish (Amphiprion akindynos) and sea anemones have evolved just such a relationship. As juveniles, clownfish perform a ritual of "anemone rubbing." Initially protected from stings by a thick mucus coat, the clownfish incorporates anemone mucus into its own coat until the anemone no longer stings it, apparently recognizing the fish as part of itself. From then on, they defend each other, and clownfish have even been seen dragging food to their host anemone.

Reef animals are masters of disguise, and sea anemones are no exception. Attached to the reef by a suction disc, tentacles swaying with the current, they are the animals perhaps most often mistaken as plants. The illusion is further reinforced by the presence of two or more commensal clownfish among the tentacles. But the clownfish and anemone are a predatory team, working side by side and sharing food. In addition, the clownfish fight off intruders, such as anemone-eating butterflyfish, and the stinging cells (nematocysts) of the anemone deter potential clownfish predators.

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