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Sheriff "Unconstitutional gun laws will not be enforced."

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(CNN) -- An Oregon sheriff says he will not enforce any federal regulation that President Barack Obama lays out in his package of gun control proposals Wednesday.

Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller joins several other public officials across the nation who have decided to square off with the White House even before it outlines what its plans are for expanded measures.

Mueller sent a letter to Vice President Joe Biden this week saying he won't enforce any federal regulation "offending the constitutional rights of my citizens." He won't permit federal officers to come to his county to enforce such laws either, he said.

Mueller's defiant stand exploded into a groundswell of support. His letter -- posted on the department's Facebook page -- earned more than 59,000 likes and shares -- and was growing by the minute.

Over the weekend, Sheriff Denny Peyman of Jackson County, Kentucky, said that he too would disobey any directive from the administration. He told residents in a town hall meeting that the sheriff has more power than the federal government.

"They need to go back and study that. We are a commonwealth. I can ask federal people to leave, they have to leave. I can ask state people to leave, they have to leave," he said.

But Wednesday on CNN, Peyman said he would enforce laws approved by Congress.

"If it goes through Congress, if it becomes law, if it goes that way, yeah, I'd enforce the law," he said.

In Texas, a lawmaker said this week that he will introduce legislation that would make it illegal to enforce a federal gun ban.

"At some point there needs to be a showdown between the states and the federal government over the Supremacy Clause," Republican Rep. Steve Toth told WOAI 1200-AM. "It is our responsibility to push back when those laws are infringed by King Obama."

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Local officials don't get to make that call, CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said.

"A sheriff does not get to decide whether laws are constitutional," he said. "Unless a court invalidates a law, he's obligated to enforce it."

In any event, local police wouldn't be responsible for enforcing federal gun laws, CNN Legal Analyst Paul Callan said.

"The FBI will be enforcing them, treasury agents will enforce them. It won't be local police who would be out making sure federal gun regulations are enforced," he said.

Obama's proposals Wednesday largely draw on the work of a task force chaired by Biden.

An official familiar with the process said the president's proposal will include universal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Other recommendations by Biden's panel include tougher enforcement of existing laws, legislators briefed by the vice president said Tuesday.

Support surprises sheriff

In Linn County, the support for Mueller's letter caught the sheriff's office by surprise.

"Sheriff Tim Mueller is humbled and amazed at the support people near and far have expressed to his letter. Thank you!" said a post on the department's Facebook page.

A post by Jill Leiser Crowley of Eugene expressed the opinions of many.

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"Thank you for standing up for our Constitutional Rights!!!" it said. "You are doing the right thing for the people of Linn County - I can only hope other counties will follow!!!"

But Karin Hunt, another Oregonian, questioned the sheriff's stance.

"I would expect (an) officer to enforce the laws of Oregon and the U.S.A. whether he agrees with the law or not," she said. "That's taking the law into your own hands."

The White House knows it can expect a fight.

"Part of the challenge we confront is that even the slightest hint of some sensible, responsible legislation in this area fans this notion that somehow, 'Here it comes, everybody's guns are going to be taken away,' " Obama said Monday.

Getting any legislation passed may prove to be difficult.

The influential National Rifle Association, among other gun rights groups, has vowed to fight tooth and nail against any new gun restrictions -- like an assault weapons ban, which the group's president, David Keene, predicted Sunday wouldn't make it through Congress.

Polls support change

Although some officials have come out against new gun control laws, Americans as a whole are looking for some sort of change after the Newtown, Connecticut, shootings last month that took the lives of 20 grade school children and seven adults.

By a 51%-45% margin, Americans questioned in a new Pew Research Center poll said it was more important to control gun ownership than to protect gun rights.

And by a 52%-35% margin, a new ABC News/Washington Post survey indicates the public says it is more likely to support some forms of gun control after last month's massacre. However, the polls showed continuing divisions along political and gender lines.

Still, one Oregon resident warned against passing laws that would conflict with the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.

"Constitutional changes must be made properly with Congressional and judicial approval, and by a majority of the citizens of the USA, not by the order of a tyrant in Washington D.C.!!!" said Rick Carter of Pendleton. "I stand with the brave Sheriff!"

The battle lines could not be clearer.

CNN's Michael Pearson contributed to this report.

by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM
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pamelax3
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

SMH!! There is no easy answer to any of this

stormcris
by Christy on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

the sherrif?

why do you feel he isn't?

Quoting Citygirlk:

I wish these people would think for themselves.


JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM
The President himself has no respect for the Constitution. There should be no surprise when others do the same. By the way, executive orders are not laws, they are exactly what they are - "orders" to the executive branch of government to circumvent either the Constitution or other laws that are in effect.

If the Executive branch of the Federal Government picks and chooses which laws they will or will not enforce, then the Sheriff has a "fine" example to go by.


Quoting terpmama:

And we wonder why kids these days have no respect for parents, teachers or anyone in authority.... Stop throwing a hissy fit and go through proper channels. There's ways to do this legally and while respecting the laws he claims to support.
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Citygirlk
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM
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Because he's saying its unconstitutional and its not which makes me think he's been hearing a lot of misinformation. I bet he watched 2016 as well. Lol.

Quoting stormcris:

the sherrif?

why do you feel he isn't?

Quoting Citygirlk:

I wish these people would think for themselves.



Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM
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You show 'em rednecks.
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Erinelizz
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM
An EO does not circumvent the law or Constitution; rather, it implements or interprets a federal statute, a constitutional provision, or a treaty.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

The President himself has no respect for the Constitution. There should be no surprise when others do the same. By the way, executive orders are not laws, they are exactly what they are - "orders" to the executive branch of government to circumvent either the Constitution or other laws that are in effect.



If the Executive branch of the Federal Government picks and chooses which laws they will or will not enforce, then the Sheriff has a "fine" example to go by.




Quoting terpmama:

And we wonder why kids these days have no respect for parents, teachers or anyone in authority.... Stop throwing a hissy fit and go through proper channels. There's ways to do this legally and while respecting the laws he claims to support.

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Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM
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Isn't the law back to how is was prior to 2004? The biggest difference being its under a different POTUS. Registration and background checks are not a bad thing, or are they?

So far, no one has explained how our gun rights are being violated.


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

The President himself has no respect for the Constitution. There should be no surprise when others do the same. By the way, executive orders are not laws, they are exactly what they are - "orders" to the executive branch of government to circumvent either the Constitution or other laws that are in effect.



If the Executive branch of the Federal Government picks and chooses which laws they will or will not enforce, then the Sheriff has a "fine" example to go by.




Quoting terpmama:

And we wonder why kids these days have no respect for parents, teachers or anyone in authority.... Stop throwing a hissy fit and go through proper channels. There's ways to do this legally and while respecting the laws he claims to support.

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shannonnigans
by Platinum Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM
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Executive orders have the full force of law, and may be overturned by either the Supreme Court ruling it unconstitutional, or Congress legislating conflicting law or legislating non-funding towards applying the law. That's it. Until then, it's law. "Sheriff" Mueller can't do a damn thing about it. He doesnt get to evaluate the genesis of the law. And, if he is not going to uphold the Constitution, as he obviously is not since he seems to have a big problem with the Supremacy Clause, he should be removed forthwith. He might also note that the law that integrated public schools was an executive order by Eisenhower. Perhaps he'd prefer to not enforce that also since he doesn't like the source. What a dip.
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stormcris
by Christy on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Well constitutional or unconstitutional depends on interpretation of law...it isn't black and white. He may be citing gun control should be up to the states which has been both won and lost over the years just as right for a citizen to own a gun per 2nd amendment has.

Quoting Citygirlk:

Because he's saying its unconstitutional and its not which makes me think he's been hearing a lot of misinformation. I bet he watched 2016 as well. Lol.

Quoting stormcris:

the sherrif?

why do you feel he isn't?

Quoting Citygirlk:

I wish these people would think for themselves.




momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM


Quoting jessilin0113:

People don't understand what an executive order is. He needs to come back to earth.


Title should be Unconstituional laws will not be enforced.  Then again look at the selective enforcement in regards to David Gregory.

BTW, what the President signed that day was an Executive Active and not an Order but saying EO is easier for the media.  Also, look into how an EO is really applied and enforced.

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