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10 Things Conservatives Support That Are MORE Invasive Than Background Checks For Gun Ownership

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10 Things Conservatives Support That Are MORE Invasive Than Background Checks For Gun Ownership

2013/01/17
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The outrage has already exploded from conservatives since President Obama signed 23 executive orders and proposed legislation to prevent gun violence. Among the proposals is the strengthening of background checks, which would be more focused and would be required for any gun sale including those at gun shows. But the conservative echo chamber is opposed to any such changes to current background check laws and is calling such changes invasive.

I’m assuming conservatives mean invasive to the privacy of those who want to own a firearm and invasive to rights in general. Unfortunately for conservatives, they’ve slammed into a wall and it’s called hypocrisy. Because conservatives are crying foul over an imagined invasion of privacy and rights, it would be prudent to list all of the various policies conservatives support that are more invasive than a background check for wannabe gun owners.

1. The Birth Certificate Obsession

Going after President Obama’s birth certificate for the last four years even after he released his long form certificate is invasive. But conservatives didn’t stop there. They wanted his college transcripts, college application, passport, and just about every single piece of documentation President Obama has ever signed, written, or filled out. And conservatives demanded all of this because they insist that President Obama isn’t a natural born American citizen. This is the conservative version of a background check. If President Obama had been a white guy named Joe Smith the conservatives wouldn’t have had this obsession. If conservatives insist upon doing the ultimate background check on a President simply because of his color and name, we should be able to perform better background checks on people who want a weapon that is designed to kill.

2. Transvaginal Ultrasounds

Talk about invasive. A transvaginal ultrasound involves the use of a probe that is inserted into the vagina. Republicans across the country support forcing women to undergo this invasive procedure in order to get an abortion. Ironically, Roe v Wade made abortion legal to protect the very privacy Republicans are now violating with this policy. Virginia and Texas already have such laws and other states including Ohio and Pennsylvania are considering requiring the procedure as well. Conservatives say gun owners and buyers deserve privacy yet they completely support what amounts to state sanctioned rape. Now that’s invasive.

3. Restricting Contraceptives

Conservatives aren’t stopping at transvaginal probes. They want to decide if women can protect themselves during sex with contraception as well. Kansas Republicans recently passed a law that allows pharmacists and doctors to deny women contraceptives. Some states such as Arizona and Missouri want to allow employers to deny their female employees birth control as well. Other states such as Mississippi and Oklahoma are pursuing Personhood bills that would declare a joined egg and sperm a human with full rights, which would effectively outlaw many forms of contraceptives. Republicans are waging an all out war on women and it’s incredibly invasive, yet conservatives still have the gall to whine about gun regulations.

4. Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

It’s already happening in Florida and conservatives across the country want to pass the exact same laws. According to Republicans, people who receive food stamps or other government aid should be forced to take a drug test. In other words, you have to willingly surrender your urine or blood if you want to feed your family and pay your bills. Of course when these bills include testing lawmakers as well Republicans are quick to back off such legislation because they don’t want their own privacy violated.


5. Opposing Same-Sex Marriage

It’s true. Republicans want to tell us who we can and cannot marry. Michele Bachmann once infamously quipped during her run to be the Republican Presidential nominee that gay people can marry as long as they marry people of the opposite sex. That’s a huge invasion of privacy. Any consenting adult should be able to marry any consenting adult they wish, yet conservatives want to invade our privacy and regulate who we love.

6. Religious Discrimination

Conservatives are overwhelmingly Christian. Of course it’s of the fundamentalist variety. And like most fundamentalists, they want to impose their religion onto the entire population whether we like it or not. Part of this agenda means forcing Christianity in schools across the country. Conservatives in several states including Indiana, Florida, Tennessee and others have tried to requires prayer in school and have tried to require creationism in science class. This is all regardless of whether you are a Christian or not. In other words, conservatives are forcing children to practice and learn about Christianity. Most people would call this indoctrination. It’s also an invasion of privacy since your beliefs are your own and you have the right to them. But when you try to force your religious beliefs on others you have become invasive. Not only have conservatives tried to force Christianity upon school children, they’ve also been trying to impose their version of Biblical law on all Americans which is why they are trying to regulate women’s bodies and who we are allowed to marry.

7. Attacking The Right To Vote

Trying to keep people from exercising their right to vote is an invasion of not only the privacy of Americans, but their consciences as well. But conservatives are doing exactly that across the country. From Ohio to Florida to Wisconsin to Pennsylvania and Virginia, conservatives are forcing citizens to obtain a voter identification card in order to vote. Conservatives are also cutting voter registration times and are even attempting to change the electoral process in states so that Republicans can lock down the Presidency for many elections to come. Such acts are invasive to democracy. So Republicans are fine with forcing people to have state identification cards and with changing our right to vote so that they can win forever but requiring reasonable gun control measures is invasive.

8. Getting Between Doctors And Patients

Here’s an incredibly invasive thing conservatives are doing. Most of us would probably agree that medical decisions should be between patients and their doctors. Too bad conservatives don’t feel the same way. Health care in America is among the worst in the developed world and it’s only going to get worse if Republicans have their way. Many conservative states have vowed to not implement Obamacare, which would keep millions of people from being able to get the medical attention they desperately need. Republicans are also making every effort to end Medicare and Medicaid, which millions of people rely on to ensure they get the proper medical care. But Republicans aren’t just trying to keep people from doctors, they’re also trying to insert themselves into the medical decisions doctors and patients make. In Kansas, Republicans passed a law the forces doctors to lie to women about abortion. The law requires doctors to tell pregnant women that abortion causes breast cancer even though there is no evidence to support such a correlation. Republicans across the country support this law, and support laws allowing doctors and nurses to refuse to perform an abortion even if it is medically necessary to safe the life of the mother. Not only is this invasive, it’s life threatening. But that’s not all. Republicans in Mississippi are seeking to close the last abortion clinic in the state which will undoubtedly force women to resort to deadly back alley abortions. Republicans in Wisconsin have passed a law requiring women who want birth control to actually go see their doctor in person instead of seeing their doctor via telecommunication. All of this is on top of Republican opposition to laws that prevent insurance companies from denying health care coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. In all, Republicans have been consistent when it comes to invading our medical privacy.

9. Papers Please

Arizona’s immigration law allows police to question the citizenship of anybody. Of course, this being a conservative law, it really only requires police to question the citizenship of people who have a brown or brownish complexion. Similar laws have been passed in Alabama and Georgia and has affected anybody with an accent or a non-white skin color. These kinds of laws are mostly targeted at Hispanics, who are being forced to prove that they are a citizen of the United States. Now Hispanics have to live in fear of having their loyalty questioned, which is a fear usually found in people who live in nations like China, North Korea, or Iran. Such laws are invasive and infringe upon our right to privacy. Conservatives think background checks on citizenship are just fine, but a background check on someone buying a gun is invasive.

10. Supporting Torture

Torturing people is against the law, and humanity. Yet Republicans believe it’s perfectly fine to violate human rights in the effort to get an answer they want. If you don’t understand why torture is invasive, there is something wrong with you. Thankfully, President Obama has signed an order banning torture, but that won’t stop Republicans from re-instituting it in the future when they take back the government because of their anti-voting schemes.

To conservatives, every aspect of our private lives should be heavily regulated from who we marry to what we do in the bedroom to what medical decisions we make to what religion we practice to how we vote and who we vote for to what culture we belong to. But they think guns, which are tools designed to kill, should be free from regulation. They think reasonable gun control measures are invasive. They are wrong and they are hypocrites.

 

by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Replies (11-20):
candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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With a huge agenda.

Quoting momtimesx4:

Ehhh written by a democrat with an agenda


Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM
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1) I don't have a problem with the president making his records available. No other president has gone to such lengths as this one to prevent that ~ and that to me is a red flag.

2) I'm not a fan of this although I do think that any woman should know exactly what she is having scraped out of her ... and that it is alive, has a heartbeat, etc.

3) No one is 'restricting' contraceptives. Go to a different pharmacy instead of forcing someone to do something that is against their personal beliefs. If 'you' are offended because 'you' like birth control, try flipping shoes and showing some tolerance for someone who doesn't ~ and act accordingly. There are pharmacies on just about every corner these days.

4) If an employer can refuse to employ a person sans that test so a person can actually earn money, there is no reason to claim any invasion of privacy for people who wish to be given money they didn't earn. People who earn their own living should NOT have to provide illegal drugs for those who don't earn their own living.

5) I have no problem with same sex marriage as long as no church is ever forced to participate. The COTUS says we're all equal, and that should include gay people. It also guarantees freedom of religion, so no religious person should have to violate their beliefs to perform a gay marriage ceremony. Since there are many churches as well as regular civil ceremonies, it shouldn't be an issue.

6) I don't have a problem with keeping religion out of school as long as ALL religion is kept out, including Humanist and Atheist values. If the only one kept out is Christianity, that is also discrimination.

7) Voting is a right for living American citizens. Dead people and illegals don't fit that criteria, and each citizen is only allowed one vote. Making sure that is what happens should be a priority to everyone.

8) Everyone in this country has access to health care, including illegals. As long as we maintain a health care business instead of focusing on actual care and/or preventitive medicine (and bar alternative methods) people are only going to get what they pay for instead of good care across the board. Insurance is what changed all that, and more insurance will only make it worse AND decrease both quality and quantity for everyone.

9) Illegals are breaking our laws. They don't have a 'right' to do that, and they should be treated as criminals because they ARE criminals. This is such a simple concept, but so many supposedly educated people can't seem to wrap their heads around it.

10) I am against EVERY regulatory agency including the fda. They should all be gone ... but O has instead created even more, added far more red tape, and far more regulations that supercede both law AND the protections of the Constitution. Don't blame regulatory crap on just republicans, because democrats are right there adding new ones just as often.

As for gun control, that is unConstitutional. 'Shall not be infringed' applies to both democrats and republicans alike. Punishing people for something they 'might' do (when the stats show that less than 1% ever will commit a gun crime) goes far beyond torture.

Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM
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 Really? Having your home broken into, being mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child because 'you' have no means to stop it is less invasive than an ultrasound (which btw I don't favor) done under sterile conditions?


Quoting NWP:

Yes...the article is biased.

But you cannot argue with the fact that gun regulations are much less personally invasive than a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

Quoting masonmomma:

Really? Smdh great twisting and finger pointing all through this.



 

NWP
by guerrilla girl on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM
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You believe gun regulations are going to legally force you and your family to be" mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child" ?

Quoting Farmlady09:

 Really? Having your home broken into, being mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child because 'you' have no means to stop it is less invasive than an ultrasound (which btw I don't favor) done under sterile conditions?


Quoting NWP:

Yes...the article is biased.

But you cannot argue with the fact that gun regulations are much less personally invasive than a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

Quoting masonmomma:

Really? Smdh great twisting and finger pointing all through this.





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lga1965
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM
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Excellent. Intelligent.
I think #10, allowing torture is THE WORST. But they are all certainly controlling and intrusive.
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Whaaaaaa....O.o
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Sigh. More finger pointing. Lovely.
mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM
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Statistically speaking, something like this is extrememly rare. It seems to happen almost exculsively on tv. 

Quoting Farmlady09:

 Really? Having your home broken into, being mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child because 'you' have no means to stop it is less invasive than an ultrasound (which btw I don't favor) done under sterile conditions?

Quoting NWP:

Yes...the article is biased.

But you cannot argue with the fact that gun regulations are much less personally invasive than a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

Quoting masonmomma:
Really? Smdh great twisting and finger pointing all through this.



terpmama
by Bronze Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM
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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

1. This has been proven over and over to be false. The president is hiding nothing. Even Bill o'Reilly has stated that the idea that he's hiding any records, more so than any other president, is completely false. 

2. I think we all know what a fetus is. Well, maybe young teen/pre teens might not completely understand what's going on. 

3. If a pharmacist doesn't want to hand out medication based on religious notions, they should not be in that business. Not ever woman uses them to not get pregnant. And the ones that are? So what? Why do their warped religious ideals trump a woman's individual right to self determination? I am all for firing these assholes. They piss me off something fierce. Don't want to hand it out? Find another occupation if your religious sensibilities are that sensitive. 

4. I personally believe employers should not do this. And this continues because too many people are more than willing to pee in that cup. What if a shit ton of people said no, you will not violate my right to privacy and search and seizures? The government has no more right to drug test people than companies. Drugs need to be decriminalized asap. Also, statistical evidence shows that those who are on public assistance are less likely to do drugs than those who are not on public assistance. Why? Because poor people don't have a lot of disposable income and tend to spend what they have on stuff they need. Mind = blown. 

5. I agree with you here. 

6. Agree again. 

7. Dead people voting is how Chicago is run. ugh. 

8. Those who can afford health care have access to it. I currently do not have insurance. It sucks. It really does. And despite Chicago being a large city, free clinics are not that common and are usually over crowded. The public hospital here is...not great. We need a single payer system here. We will be much better off as a whole nation if everyone has access to health care. Not just those who can afford it. 

9. I my own opinion, the issue is not that black and white. If I were living somewhere and was facing starvation/threats from gangs and drug lords/really really bad pollution/disease/rampant poverty I would definitely try to go somewhere else. Legally or illegally. Immigration needs some major reforms. 

10. This one was about torture, not regulations. So...I think you might have misread that. Oh, and I'm against torture in all forms. It doesn't work. We've known that it doesn't work for thousands of years actually. So it's kinda weird and a tad sadistic that the practice continues despite the fact that it does not work. A person will say anything to get the pain to stop. 

Quoting Farmlady09:

1) I don't have a problem with the president making his records available. No other president has gone to such lengths as this one to prevent that ~ and that to me is a red flag.

2) I'm not a fan of this although I do think that any woman should know exactly what she is having scraped out of her ... and that it is alive, has a heartbeat, etc.

3) No one is 'restricting' contraceptives. Go to a different pharmacy instead of forcing someone to do something that is against their personal beliefs. If 'you' are offended because 'you' like birth control, try flipping shoes and showing some tolerance for someone who doesn't ~ and act accordingly. There are pharmacies on just about every corner these days.

4) If an employer can refuse to employ a person sans that test so a person can actually earn money, there is no reason to claim any invasion of privacy for people who wish to be given money they didn't earn. People who earn their own living should NOT have to provide illegal drugs for those who don't earn their own living.

5) I have no problem with same sex marriage as long as no church is ever forced to participate. The COTUS says we're all equal, and that should include gay people. It also guarantees freedom of religion, so no religious person should have to violate their beliefs to perform a gay marriage ceremony. Since there are many churches as well as regular civil ceremonies, it shouldn't be an issue.

6) I don't have a problem with keeping religion out of school as long as ALL religion is kept out, including Humanist and Atheist values. If the only one kept out is Christianity, that is also discrimination.

7) Voting is a right for living American citizens. Dead people and illegals don't fit that criteria, and each citizen is only allowed one vote. Making sure that is what happens should be a priority to everyone.

8) Everyone in this country has access to health care, including illegals. As long as we maintain a health care business instead of focusing on actual care and/or preventitive medicine (and bar alternative methods) people are only going to get what they pay for instead of good care across the board. Insurance is what changed all that, and more insurance will only make it worse AND decrease both quality and quantity for everyone.

9) Illegals are breaking our laws. They don't have a 'right' to do that, and they should be treated as criminals because they ARE criminals. This is such a simple concept, but so many supposedly educated people can't seem to wrap their heads around it.

10) I am against EVERY regulatory agency including the fda. They should all be gone ... but O has instead created even more, added far more red tape, and far more regulations that supercede both law AND the protections of the Constitution. Don't blame regulatory crap on just republicans, because democrats are right there adding new ones just as often.

As for gun control, that is unConstitutional. 'Shall not be infringed' applies to both democrats and republicans alike. Punishing people for something they 'might' do (when the stats show that less than 1% ever will commit a gun crime) goes far beyond torture.



Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM
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Given the number of crazy people and criminals and drug addicts roaming around without any care about regulations ... yes.

You are free to be a good little victim. I'll pass.


Quoting NWP:

You believe gun regulations are going to legally force you and your family to be" mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child" ?

Quoting Farmlady09:

 Really? Having your home broken into, being mugged, raped, murdered, or watching some crazed fiend rape your child because 'you' have no means to stop it is less invasive than an ultrasound (which btw I don't favor) done under sterile conditions?

 

Quoting NWP:

Yes...the article is biased.

But you cannot argue with the fact that gun regulations are much less personally invasive than a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

Quoting masonmomma:

Really? Smdh great twisting and finger pointing all through this.


 

 



 

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