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picture of a man in JCPenney with a rifle goes viral **pic added**

RIVERDALE — The gun debate continues to rage, and one man has gained a lot of attention. A picture of him wearing a rifle inside the Riverdale JC Penney has gone viral.



The picture received more than 10,000 comments on the KSL Facebook page with people wondering who the man is and why he carried a rifle into a public store.



The man is Joseph Kelley, and he says he did it to show that weapons aren't that bad, but he didn't expect this type of reaction.



Cindy Yorgason took the picture while she was waiting in line to return an item at JC Penney on Thursday. She saw him and noticed other people looking at him, so she snapped a picture on her cell phone. She posted the picture on her Facebook page and people went crazy.



Yorgason says she never felt threatened by the man, but believes a place like JC Penney is an inappropriate place to bring a weapon.



"There are just other ways that are a better way to take a stance," Yorgason said.



Other people that commented on the picture had different opinions about the man carrying his rifle in public. Joe Herbalist says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. He also says that he is a peace abiding citizen.



Mike Ford says, "If he's going to carry his weapon around he needs to be mindful about not just his own safety, but others around him."



Kelley was not asked to leave the store, and he was not arrested. Riverdale police said that they never received one phone call about the man being in the store with a gun.



This is from ksl.com




                     little.worthen

by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Replies (41-50):
krysstizzle
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:15 PM

As such, I'd prefer to not have every third person carrying a semi-automatic rifle while I'm out shopping. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. 

Perception does matter. Cosmetic features of a semi-automatic rifle can make it seem menacing, no two ways about it. I've been shooting guns my entire life and own guns, and even though I know quite well the difference between an automatic assault weapon and a semi-automatic rifle, certain rifles (like the one pictured) just look menacing, and that's the point of them, as far as I can tell. 

The police in Guatemala openly carried semi-automatic rifles similar to that pictured. It was uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. People feed off of each other and panic can easily spread. I find it completely unnecessary to openly carry a gun like this in public. 

Quoting LoveMyBoyK

Kinda like nobody ever suggested ALL gun owners are responsible.


Quoting krysstizzle:

I've never suggested gun prohibition. Ever. Where do you read that in my reply?

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

So unless EVERYBODY who utilizes A thing acts responsibly with It, we remove it from ALL? Gee, I hope You Do not drive a Car, or fly, Or Take the bus Or metro, or ... well Pretty much do anything other tham Sit On your floor in an empty room staring At Blank Walls all day.

Quoting krysstizzle:

So, does anyone else see some scenario where two separate people who are armed both go to the same place, making a point with a rifle, and disaster ensues? 

Can people be responsible gun owners? Yes.

Are all gun owners responsible and sensible? NO. 






funglemuggle
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Makes no sense. People still break into homes and people still want to kill people.

I hope you're never smack dab in the middle of someone tryig to harm you.

I have been a victim of a home invasion. Its a helpless feeling. I wish I had a gun then. Now I do. Oh well


Quoting lga1965:

 Finally, someone one who makes sense!


Most everything is illogical that comes out of gun owners' mouths. Anything to defend their ownership of guns. Doesn't matter that we no longer need  Militias whose members have the right to bear arms......


Quoting momto3B:


Can we please end the "car / gun" comparisions?


A car is a tool created with the intention of transporting people and things, that can be used intentionally or accidentally as a weapon.


A gun on the other hand is a tool created with the intended purpose of  killing, be it animals or people either in self defense or acts of aggression. 


The comparison is illogical. 


Quoting funglemuggle:

Guns are not dangerous. Its the person that uses them in bad ways that are

Just like its not the car that kills but the reckless driver that does.



Quoting nb34:


Oh and he did it "to show that weapons aren't that bad"? Why doesn't somebody use that weapon on him to show him exactly how bad weapons are? Asshole!



 


 


 


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LoveMyBoyK
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM
OK. I have no problem with it.


Quoting krysstizzle:

As such, I'd prefer to not have every third person carrying a semi-automatic rifle while I'm out shopping. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. 

Perception does matter. Cosmetic features of a semi-automatic rifle can make it seem menacing, no two ways about it. I've been shooting guns my entire life and own guns, and even though I know quite well the difference between an automatic assault weapon and a semi-automatic rifle, certain rifles (like the one pictured) just look menacing, and that's the point of them, as far as I can tell. 

The police in Guatemala openly carried semi-automatic rifles similar to that pictured. It was uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. People feed off of each other and panic can easily spread. I find it completely unnecessary to openly carry a gun like this in public. 

Quoting LoveMyBoyK

Kinda like nobody ever suggested ALL gun owners are responsible.





Quoting krysstizzle:

I've never suggested gun prohibition. Ever. Where do you read that in my reply?

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

So unless EVERYBODY who utilizes A thing acts responsibly with It, we remove it from ALL? Gee, I hope You Do not drive a Car, or fly, Or Take the bus Or metro, or ... well Pretty much do anything other tham Sit On your floor in an empty room staring At Blank Walls all day.

Quoting krysstizzle:

So, does anyone else see some scenario where two separate people who are armed both go to the same place, making a point with a rifle, and disaster ensues? 

Can people be responsible gun owners? Yes.

Are all gun owners responsible and sensible? NO. 








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lga1965
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:23 PM
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I tell ya, if I see a dude with a big old gun hanging off his body, I will be outta there. Concealed weapons are offensive and unecessary too. ALL guns are unecessary IN A STORE, for God's sake.

You say that you conceal carry...nobody can see it. Well..,then you are hiding it. You say the people who openly carry are not a threat. What about those who conceal carry?

What has happened to the USA lately? Gun sales have gone up at an alarming rate since 2008. Oh gee, I wonder why? Ummmm....could it be due to the black man in the White House? Nobody even knew how he would govern or what his policies would be at that point in 2008---all they knew was that he was black. And that is also why there are so many threats  against the President. And why there has been an increase in Secret Service protection. Its pretty clear to people who can tell the truth and won't pretend that it is just because of his "policies". But the truth won't come out. Not on CM.

 

Quoting LuvmyAiden:

If his local and state laws allow for this why the big deal? He was NO threat to anyone. Not any more than I am with mine on my hip. The difference is that I am a woman with concealed weapon and I have two little kids so I LOOK innocent. The people who carry openly aren't the ones people should fear, it's the sneaky ones who are not legal and can't carry for fear of being questioned and arrested.

 

momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM


Here's to the quote tree.

Perception is the key, just because it looks big and black and just like something Rambo is does not mean it is.  Could be one that fires off 22LR vs 223.  Local news did a segment in which they asked people what they thought about various rounds of ammunition, ironic part was that people feared a 30.06 round, the ones used in "safe" hunting rifles while neglecting the other ones.

Education is the key but fear is more wide spread and when it comes to things big and black, be it a rifle or a cock, people scatter in fear.

Quoting krysstizzle:

As such, I'd prefer to not have every third person carrying a semi-automatic rifle while I'm out shopping. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. 

Perception does matter. Cosmetic features of a semi-automatic rifle can make it seem menacing, no two ways about it. I've been shooting guns my entire life and own guns, and even though I know quite well the difference between an automatic assault weapon and a semi-automatic rifle, certain rifles (like the one pictured) just look menacing, and that's the point of them, as far as I can tell. 

The police in Guatemala openly carried semi-automatic rifles similar to that pictured. It was uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable and creates unease. People feed off of each other and panic can easily spread. I find it completely unnecessary to openly carry a gun like this in public. 

Quoting LoveMyBoyK

Kinda like nobody ever suggested ALL gun owners are responsible.


Quoting krysstizzle:

I've never suggested gun prohibition. Ever. Where do you read that in my reply?

Quoting LoveMyBoyK:

So unless EVERYBODY who utilizes A thing acts responsibly with It, we remove it from ALL? Gee, I hope You Do not drive a Car, or fly, Or Take the bus Or metro, or ... well Pretty much do anything other tham Sit On your floor in an empty room staring At Blank Walls all day.

Quoting krysstizzle:

So, does anyone else see some scenario where two separate people who are armed both go to the same place, making a point with a rifle, and disaster ensues? 

Can people be responsible gun owners? Yes.

Are all gun owners responsible and sensible? NO. 








Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:26 PM

 The car, regardless of it's intended use, kills more people than guns (all of them).

You like cars, so you don't want to discuss stronger regulations, higher fees, etc. You don't seem at all concerned by how many are owned by illegals, how many are driven by repeat dui offenders, how many are driven by repeat reckless offenders, etc. You like them and 'you' consider them as necessary.

You don't like guns, and even though they kill less people, you're in favor of more regulations, higher fees, and making it harder for people who have never done anything wrong to own them (not to mention in favor of deciding which ones they may/may not own).

You are completely willing to ignore the fact that people who own guns are far safer (and so are their guns) than most people who drive a vehicle every day ~ especially those who are yapping on a phone, texting, putting on their makeup, eating, completely engaged in arguing with their three year old in the backseat, or otherwise doing anything BUT driving (and endangering everyone around them, both on and off the road, at the time).

The comparison is very logical ~ and a rather stunning example of hypocrisy shown by those who deny it.


Quoting momto3B:

Can we please end the "car / gun" comparisions?

A car is a tool created with the intention of transporting people and things, that can be used intentionally or accidentally as a weapon.

A gun on the other hand is a tool created with the intended purpose of  killing, be it animals or people either in self defense or acts of aggression. 

The comparison is illogical. 

Quoting funglemuggle:

Guns are not dangerous. Its the person that uses them in bad ways that are

Just like its not the car that kills but the reckless driver that does.


Quoting nb34:

Oh and he did it "to show that weapons aren't that bad"? Why doesn't somebody use that weapon on him to show him exactly how bad weapons are? Asshole!


 

 


 

momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:27 PM

And texting while driving is a major cause of deaths on par with driving drunk.  Need to ban texting, order the cell phone companies to turn off that feature within their systems.  If it can save one life, we should try it.


Quoting Farmlady09:

 The car, regardless of it's intended use, kills more people than guns (all of them).

You like cars, so you don't want to discuss stronger regulations, higher fees, etc. You don't seem at all concerned by how many are owned by illegals, how many are driven by repeat dui offenders, how many are driven by repeat reckless offenders, etc. You like them and 'you' consider them as necessary.

You don't like guns, and even though they kill less people, you're in favor of more regulations, higher fees, and making it harder for people who have never done anything wrong to own them (not to mention in favor of deciding which ones they may/may not own).

You are completely willing to ignore the fact that people who own guns are far safer (and so are their guns) than most people who drive a vehicle every day ~ especially those who are yapping on a phone, texting, putting on their makeup, eating, completely engaged in arguing with their three year old in the backseat, or otherwise doing anything BUT driving (and endangering everyone around them, both on and off the road, at the time).

The comparison is very logical ~ and a rather stunning example of hypocrisy shown by those who deny it.


Quoting momto3B:

Can we please end the "car / gun" comparisions?

A car is a tool created with the intention of transporting people and things, that can be used intentionally or accidentally as a weapon.

A gun on the other hand is a tool created with the intended purpose of  killing, be it animals or people either in self defense or acts of aggression. 

The comparison is illogical. 

Quoting funglemuggle:

Guns are not dangerous. Its the person that uses them in bad ways that are

Just like its not the car that kills but the reckless driver that does.


Quoting nb34:

Oh and he did it "to show that weapons aren't that bad"? Why doesn't somebody use that weapon on him to show him exactly how bad weapons are? Asshole!








lga1965
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM

 How about having a SECURITY SYSTEM and living in a nice peaceful area?That's too easy,huh?

Quoting funglemuggle:

Makes no sense. People still break into homes and people still want to kill people.

I hope you're never smack dab in the middle of someone tryig to harm you.

I have been a victim of a home invasion. Its a helpless feeling. I wish I had a gun then. Now I do. Oh well


Quoting lga1965:

 Finally, someone one who makes sense!


Most everything is illogical that comes out of gun owners' mouths. Anything to defend their ownership of guns. Doesn't matter that we no longer need  Militias whose members have the right to bear arms......


Quoting momto3B:


Can we please end the "car / gun" comparisions?


A car is a tool created with the intention of transporting people and things, that can be used intentionally or accidentally as a weapon.


A gun on the other hand is a tool created with the intended purpose of  killing, be it animals or people either in self defense or acts of aggression. 


The comparison is illogical. 


Quoting funglemuggle:

Guns are not dangerous. Its the person that uses them in bad ways that are

Just like its not the car that kills but the reckless driver that does.



Quoting nb34:


Oh and he did it "to show that weapons aren't that bad"? Why doesn't somebody use that weapon on him to show him exactly how bad weapons are? Asshole!



 


 


 


 

momtimesx4
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM


Easier said than done.  Who is going to pay for said security system

Quoting lga1965:

 How about having a SECURITY SYSTEM and living in a nice peaceful area?That's too easy,huh?

Quoting funglemuggle:

Makes no sense. People still break into homes and people still want to kill people.

I hope you're never smack dab in the middle of someone tryig to harm you.

I have been a victim of a home invasion. Its a helpless feeling. I wish I had a gun then. Now I do. Oh well


Quoting lga1965:

 Finally, someone one who makes sense!


Most everything is illogical that comes out of gun owners' mouths. Anything to defend their ownership of guns. Doesn't matter that we no longer need  Militias whose members have the right to bear arms......


Quoting momto3B:


Can we please end the "car / gun" comparisions?


A car is a tool created with the intention of transporting people and things, that can be used intentionally or accidentally as a weapon.


A gun on the other hand is a tool created with the intended purpose of  killing, be it animals or people either in self defense or acts of aggression. 


The comparison is illogical. 


Quoting funglemuggle:

Guns are not dangerous. Its the person that uses them in bad ways that are

Just like its not the car that kills but the reckless driver that does.



Quoting nb34:


Oh and he did it "to show that weapons aren't that bad"? Why doesn't somebody use that weapon on him to show him exactly how bad weapons are? Asshole!







 


 



talia-mom
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:37 PM
1 mom liked this
Impressive race baiting from someone as clueless as you are on gun owners and guns. It must be terrible to be filled with the hate and bigotry you have.


Quoting lga1965:

I tell ya, if I see a dude with a big old gun hanging off his body, I will be outta there. Concealed weapons are offensive and unecessary too. ALL guns are unecessary IN A STORE, for God's sake.


You say that you conceal carry...nobody can see it. Well..,then you are hiding it. You say the people who openly carry are not a threat. What about those who conceal carry?


What has happened to the USA lately? Gun sales have gone up at an alarming rate since 2008. Oh gee, I wonder why? Ummmm....could it be due to the black man in the White House? Nobody even knew how he would govern or what his policies would be at that point in 2008---all they knew was that he was black. And that is also why there are so many threats  against the President. And why there has been an increase in Secret Service protection. Its pretty clear to people who can tell the truth and won't pretend that it is just because of his "policies". But the truth won't come out. Not on CM.


 


Quoting LuvmyAiden:


If his local and state laws allow for this why the big deal? He was NO threat to anyone. Not any more than I am with mine on my hip. The difference is that I am a woman with concealed weapon and I have two little kids so I LOOK innocent. The people who carry openly aren't the ones people should fear, it's the sneaky ones who are not legal and can't carry for fear of being questioned and arrested.


 


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