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What if God was the evil one?

25 October 2012, 08:38

Firstly, I can’t take any credit for the writing you see below. I received a link on Facebook to this piece, which was originally a ‘Facebook note’ written by an American. (so excuse the references to American situations)  I got in contact with the author and received his consent to share it on MyNews24. 

I share this article mainly because I found it to be a very enjoyable and thought provoking read, I also agree with the author’s views completely and feel this is an interesting angle on the usual ‘theist vs atheist’ debate.

So Enjoy.

How does anybody know God is more moral than Satan? If it’s because the bible says so, then that is arbitrary and followers of the bible are basically just listening to God saying “I’m the good one, follow me.” If it’s due to observing actions and judging god’s actions to be better, then can’t we just use those standards to judge our actions, making god unnecessary? Besides, Satan hasn't even bothered authoring a book and telling his side of the story.

What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good? After all, God is responsible for 250 million deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him. If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?

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by on Jan. 19, 2013 at 4:20 PM
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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Lol, isn't the bible what we're chosing from?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 That's only according to the bible.  You seem to be picking and choosing...


Quoting paganbaby:

Given his life? I didn't think angels could die.

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 Why would he need to have power over God?  If he's all good don't you think he would have given his life to try and prevent God from killing just one innocent life? 


Quoting paganbaby:

Since when did Satan have power over God?

Quoting 12hellokitty:

 So why did Satan allow God to murder all those people? 


Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?











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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Love it!

Quoting caito:

 Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?  

Epicurus is my homeboy.


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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM
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Do what I say or I'll gut your 6 month old.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Quoting Susan0805:

God gave them warning to let his people go and they refused. During that time the first born was of high significance. I cant answer for God but I'm certain there must have been a reason in the scheme of things for what Goddid.


Quoting paganbaby:

The sins of the father are shackles worn by the children?
I no more support slavery than I support infanticide.

He's God for god's sake, I'm sure he could have found another way around it than murdering babies in their bed.

Quoting Susan0805:

Their parents were wicked because they were enslaving God's people. God warned them to let his people go and they didnt. God saved the children who's parents obeyed him. You are for slavery and persecution then?



Quoting paganbaby:

Tell me, how many of those first born children were wicked and deserved death?

Quoting Susan0805:

God punished wicked people. We do too in our society.





Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?





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ms-superwoman
by Silver Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM
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Susan0805
by Silver Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM
God blessed them with children in the first place and they didnt follow God's laws. God took those children to paradise.

I sometimes wonder if those that are outraged about baby killing if they are also prolife.... Im going to guess probably not.


Quoting paganbaby:

Do what I say or I'll gut your 6 month old.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Quoting Susan0805:

God gave them warning to let his people go and they refused. During that time the first born was of high significance. I cant answer for God but I'm certain there must have been a reason in the scheme of things for what Goddid.





Quoting paganbaby:

The sins of the father are shackles worn by the children?
I no more support slavery than I support infanticide.

He's God for god's sake, I'm sure he could have found another way around it than murdering babies in their bed.

Quoting Susan0805:

Their parents were wicked because they were enslaving God's people. God warned them to let his people go and they didnt. God saved the children who's parents obeyed him. You are for slavery and persecution then?





Quoting paganbaby:

Tell me, how many of those first born children were wicked and deserved death?

Quoting Susan0805:

God punished wicked people. We do too in our society.







Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?





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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Killing a gurgling baby is a tad different than a first trimester abortion.

Quoting Susan0805:

God blessed them with children in the first place and they didnt follow God's laws. God took those children to paradise.

I sometimes wonder if those that are outraged about baby killing if they are also prolife.... Im going to guess probably not.


Quoting paganbaby:

Do what I say or I'll gut your 6 month old.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Quoting Susan0805:

God gave them warning to let his people go and they refused. During that time the first born was of high significance. I cant answer for God but I'm certain there must have been a reason in the scheme of things for what Goddid.





Quoting paganbaby:

The sins of the father are shackles worn by the children?
I no more support slavery than I support infanticide.

He's God for god's sake, I'm sure he could have found another way around it than murdering babies in their bed.

Quoting Susan0805:

Their parents were wicked because they were enslaving God's people. God warned them to let his people go and they didnt. God saved the children who's parents obeyed him. You are for slavery and persecution then?





Quoting paganbaby:

Tell me, how many of those first born children were wicked and deserved death?

Quoting Susan0805:

God punished wicked people. We do too in our society.







Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?






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AliKatAK47
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM

He sent them to hell where the devil punished them for eternity. If the devil was truly evil, would he befriend someone who is evil as well.

Quoting Susan0805:

God punished wicked people. We do too in our society.

Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?



KedrynsMommie
by Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM
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Bump! Like this please so i can follow the conversation :D
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Susan0805
by Silver Member on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Whatever makes you feel better about it...
Quoting paganbaby:

Killing a gurgling baby is a tad different than a first trimester abortion.

Quoting Susan0805:

God blessed them with children in the first place and they didnt follow God's laws. God took those children to paradise.



I sometimes wonder if those that are outraged about baby killing if they are also prolife.... Im going to guess probably not.




Quoting paganbaby:

Do what I say or I'll gut your 6 month old.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Quoting Susan0805:

God gave them warning to let his people go and they refused. During that time the first born was of high significance. I cant answer for God but I'm certain there must have been a reason in the scheme of things for what Goddid.








Quoting paganbaby:

The sins of the father are shackles worn by the children?
I no more support slavery than I support infanticide.

He's God for god's sake, I'm sure he could have found another way around it than murdering babies in their bed.

Quoting Susan0805:

Their parents were wicked because they were enslaving God's people. God warned them to let his people go and they didnt. God saved the children who's parents obeyed him. You are for slavery and persecution then?







Quoting paganbaby:

Tell me, how many of those first born children were wicked and deserved death?

Quoting Susan0805:

God punished wicked people. We do too in our society.











Quoting paganbaby:

Because he murdered millions of people in the bible including innocent children and Satan didn't?

Quoting Susan0805:

Considering god's law expects people to love one another, follow rules, and be "good", why would anyone see him as bad?






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blues_pagan
by on Jan. 20, 2013 at 1:25 PM
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The "God" character has always been about the same.  You can look throughout all of religious history and find opposites, good and evil.  That is because you can't have one without the other.  

In my personal beliefs, we all have a balance of light and dark as do deities.  Nothing is purely one way or the other.  They all have their bad sides (like with God flooding the entire earth and indiscriminately killing men, women and children other than Noah and his family...that is pretty bad in my book).

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