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'After Tiller': Ignoring Threats, Doctors Do Third-Trimester Abortions

PHOTO: (Clockwise from top left) Dr. Robinson, Dr. Sella, Dr. Carhart, Dr. Hern acknowledge publicly that they provide third-trimester abortions.
 
(Clockwise from top left) Drs. Susan Robinson, Shelley Sella, LeRoy Carhart, Warren Hern acknowledge publicly that they provide third-trimester abortions. (After Tiller)
 

By NANCY RAMSEY
Jan. 21, 2013

 

 

Spend 10 minutes on the phone with Dr. Susan Robinson, an obstetrician-gynecologist who specializes in providing women with third-trimester abortions, and the name Aron Ralston will invariably come up. He's the mountain climber who was trapped in a canyon in Utah after a boulder crushed his right hand. He was pinned down by the boulder for five days (the film "127 Hours" is based on his story) until he realized the only way he could get free would be to cut off his hand.

 

It's a graphic, horrific image, but Robinson says it's the best analogy she can think of to describe women who are pregnant in their third trimester and "have thought about it deeply, consulted their conscience, wrestled with the ethics, and decided the best thing for themselves and their families is to have an abortion."

 

"People think you choose an abortion like you choose red or green shoes, or a flavor of ice cream," Robinson told ABC News. "But in fact, they [the women I see] need an abortion the way Aron Ralston needed to cut his hand off."

 

Robinson is one of four doctors featured in the documentary "After Tiller," which screened at the Sundance Film Festival this past weekend. "A#Sundance first: security guards checking bags and wanding people before abortion documentary 'After Tiller,'" tweeted Sean Means, movie critic for The Salt Lake Tribune.

 

(Clockwise from top left) Drs. Susan... View Full Size
PHOTO: (Clockwise from top left) Dr. Robinson, Dr. Sella, Dr. Carhart, Dr. Hern acknowledge publicly that they provide third-trimester abortions.
After Tiller
(Clockwise from top left) Drs. Susan Robinson, Shelley Sella, LeRoy Carhart, Warren Hern acknowledge publicly that they provide third-trimester abortions.
 
 
 
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The film takes its name from Dr. George Tiller, a third-trimester abortion provider in Wichita, Kan., who was assassinated in May 2009 while attending church. Robinson worked with Tiller, as did Shelley Sella, who worked as a midwife before becoming a doctor and abortion provider, and is also featured in the film. The two now operate out of a clinic in Albuquerque.

 

"We learned at his knee," said Robinson, speaking of Tiller. "Kindness, courtesy, justice, love and respect are the hallmarks of a good doctor-patient relationship. People tell me every single day, 'Dr. Robinson, you've given me my life back.' For these women it is life or death. Many women try to self-abort. The less available it is, the poor will have the hardest time."

 

A Red-Hot Issue

 

If abortion is a hot-button political issue, then third-trimester abortion is red-hot, and such words as "kindness" and "respect" are not two that leap to mind for many people. The arrest two years ago of Philadelphia doctor Kermit Gosnell, accused of killing a woman with a lethal dose of Demerol, put a gruesome face on doctors performing third-trimester abortions. Police, searching his office, found what prosecutors called "a house of horrors," bags and bottles of aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building, a place where fetuses were delivered live and then killed with scissors.

 

Even many supporters of abortion rights draw a line at third-trimester abortions. A 2011 Gallup poll showed that making abortion illegal in the last trimester got strong support from both pro-choice (79 percent) and pro-life advocates (94 percent). Laws passed in 41 states prohibit abortions, except to protect the woman's life, after a certain point in the pregnancy, usually fetal viability (about 24 weeks). In the U.S., 88 percent of abortions are done in the first 12 weeks, according to the Guttmacher Institute; fewer than 1 percent are in the third trimester.

 

by on Jan. 21, 2013 at 8:32 AM
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motherslove82
by Silver Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM
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If they are doing it for life saving reasons, that is a normal part of their job. Most doctors will do it for these reasons. It was my impression that they are doing elective abortions.

I didn't say kill anybody, btw. I said prosecute them. I don't know what you were talking about.


Quoting jaxTheMomm:


We can plop them right down next to the people who think that a pregnant woman should die as opposed to having a life saving abortion, or be forced to continue a doomed pregnancy against her will.

Kill 'em all at the same time.


Quoting motherslove82:

I would really like to meet the 6% of pro-lifers who are FOR third trimester abortions.



These people should be prosecuted, not given their own movie.




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jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM
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These people are life-saving physicians, who have dedicated themselves to being there when a woman is in the most tragic of circumstances.

Third trimester abortion is a horrible thing - especially because by that time you are talking about a much wanted pregnancy that has gone very wrong. 

Because of the negative publicity, very few physicians will take the specialized training and do this.  So there aren't many around.  What would happen to these mothers without these doctors??

NOTHING is more scarring than to be told the baby you are carrying won't survive or worse, the pregnancy may kill you.

To call these people murderers is heartless and I'm sorry, ignorant.  They risk their very lives to ensure that there's still a doctor around that can do this.

Quoting radioheid:

 Once you reach the third trimester, you're carrying a baby. Period. And to kill a baby is murder. End of story. There is absolutely no excuse. These people are professional murderers.



Arroree
by Ruby Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 11:51 AM
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I know a woman who's fetus was diagnosed with a birth defect *i can't remember what it's called* that caused the head/brain to swell hugely. According to all tests her fetus was brain dead and they were just waiting for it to die. She was counseled that she could abort or wait and have it removed but if she waited the swelling could end up killing her as well at the rate it was going. She was in her second trimester and couldn't find any doctor in her state willing to do the abortion even though she had her doctors recommendation. After almost 2 months of trying she finally got an appointment at Dr. Tillers clinic. Sadly she ended up in the hospital having emergency surgery several days before her appointment due to the swelling and the fetus dying.

So instead of having the abortion in a loving calm environment where her every need was looked after and she was treated with respect by all the staff, she ended up being treated like just another body by staff that just wanted to get their job done and go home while the ER docs treated her like she'd done something wrong by having the bad luck to have a fatal defect in her fetus. It was the worst experience of her life and she still cries about it.

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM
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Kill em all. Until they breathe, they are property of my body

Quoting cherylam:

deciding to have an abortion in the tird trimester, after you find out that the baby may have 'non-fixable' defects and don't want the child to 'suffer' are using an abortion to opt out of having to deal with the isuues a severely handicapped child would bring.  Saying you 'don't want the child to suffer' is an outright lie... YOU don't want to suffer with trying to take care of said child.  I am pro abortion, but only in the first few weeks... with todays methods, you know if you're pregnant within the first 8 weeks... waiting until you are over 24 weeks is cruel, gutless and heartless.  I can't believe people find out about a life threatening condition for themselves after all this time of being pregnant.

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jaxTheMomm
by Platinum Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM


Abortion after viability (depends on the state, usually 22-25 weeks) is illegal unless for medically necessary reasons.


Quoting motherslove82:

If they are doing it for life saving reasons, that is a normal part of their job. Most doctors will do it for these reasons. It was my impression that they are doing elective abortions.

I didn't say kill anybody, btw. I said prosecute them. I don't know what you were talking about.


Quoting jaxTheMomm:


We can plop them right down next to the people who think that a pregnant woman should die as opposed to having a life saving abortion, or be forced to continue a doomed pregnancy against her will.

Kill 'em all at the same time.


Quoting motherslove82:

I would really like to meet the 6% of pro-lifers who are FOR third trimester abortions.



These people should be prosecuted, not given their own movie.






motherslove82
by Silver Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM
I know. Which is why they should be prosecuted if they are doing it after it is legal in their state. Third trimester starts at about 24 weeks, so they are probably performing illegal abortions. If they are only performing legal abortions, then what would be the point of the movie?

Quoting jaxTheMomm:


Abortion after viability (depends on the state, usually 22-25 weeks) is illegal unless for medically necessary reasons.



Quoting motherslove82:

If they are doing it for life saving reasons, that is a normal part of their job. Most doctors will do it for these reasons. It was my impression that they are doing elective abortions.



I didn't say kill anybody, btw. I said prosecute them. I don't know what you were talking about.




Quoting jaxTheMomm:


We can plop them right down next to the people who think that a pregnant woman should die as opposed to having a life saving abortion, or be forced to continue a doomed pregnancy against her will.

Kill 'em all at the same time.



Quoting motherslove82:

I would really like to meet the 6% of pro-lifers who are FOR third trimester abortions.





These people should be prosecuted, not given their own movie.








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paganbaby
by Teflon Don on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM

How do you abort a 3rd trimester pregnancy? Would't it simply be inducing labor and giving birth?

futureshock
by Ruby Member on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:48 PM


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Third trimester abortions are illegal unless deemed medically necessary.  None of these articles seem to point that out.

Also, information like this should have been shared in the first paragraph:


Quote:

These are babies that have congenital abnormalities that are incompatible with life -- no hope, no brain, no kidneys, something that is not surgically fixable."


cherylam
by on Jan. 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM



Quoting paganbaby:

How do you abort a 3rd trimester pregnancy? Would't it simply be inducing labor and giving birth?


In essense, you ARE giving birth.  The child is delivered feet first.  Once the baby's head is in the birth canal, and prior to being actually born, a needle is inserted into the back of the baby's head, near where the spinal column begins, and the brain is destroyed.  The baby is born dead or very nearly so.

GLWerth
by Gina on Jan. 21, 2013 at 1:10 PM

 


Quoting romalove:


Quoting cherylam:

deciding to have an abortion in the tird trimester, after you find out that the baby may have 'non-fixable' defects and don't want the child to 'suffer' are using an abortion to opt out of having to deal with the isuues a severely handicapped child would bring.  Saying you 'don't want the child to suffer' is an outright lie... YOU don't want to suffer with trying to take care of said child.  I am pro abortion, but only in the first few weeks... with todays methods, you know if you're pregnant within the first 8 weeks... waiting until you are over 24 weeks is cruel, gutless and heartless.  I can't believe people find out about a life threatening condition for themselves after all this time of being pregnant.

I personally know two women who were diagnosed with cancer during their pregnancies, one at 17 weeks, one at 23.  Both of them refused to end their pregnancies in order to be treated and both died.

I can add two more to that from people I've known.

One more decided that her other children needed her and terminated her pregnancy at 22 weeks, to start chemotherapy. She's still alive now. The others are gone, leaving five children between the two of them.

 

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