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Despite Obama’s Divisive Speech, Gays and Lesbians Are ‘Treated Like Anyone Under The Law’

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This year's presidential inauguration was an opportunity for President Obama to unite Americans who have recently been through a particularly difficult and heated election season and set us on a better path, one that would uplift all Americans.

Sadly, the President squandered this opportunity when he chose to proclaim that our journey as a people would not be complete until gay and lesbian people are "treated like anyone under the law," a not-so-veiled reference to his politically-motivated decision to endorse the radical movement to redefine marriage, one of our most sacred institutions.

First of all, gay and lesbian people are already treated equally under the law. They have the same civil rights as everyone else. They're free to live as they choose and love whom they wish.

What they don't have is the right to redefine marriage for society.

Indeed, six federal courts (including the Supreme Court in 1972) have rejected the radical idea that there is a Constitutional right to same-sex marriage under the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause.

Marriage as it has been defined throughout history - as the union of one man and one woman - is a great cause of unity for any culture, including our own. We know all too well what happens to society when marriage breaks down and government interferes with the rights of men and women to come together and form healthy, lifelong marriages.  The President's obsession with redefining marriage has prevented him in his first term from doing anything of substance to support and advance the institution of marriage for the vast majority of Americans. That is where his emphasis should be.

Americans remain united in support of the commonsense definition of marriage. A poll taken after the most recent elections showed that 60% of Americans agree that marriage is between one man and one woman. Twenty percent of Americans in that same poll said marriage was one of their top three issues. The vast majority of states define marriage as the union of husband and wife and the vast majority of Americans who have been given a chance to vote on the question have supported that definition as well.

This spring and summer the Supreme Court will take up Proposition 8 and the Defense of Marriage Act. Proposition 8, which Obama opposed, defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman, was approved in 2008 by over seven million California voters. The Defense of Marriage Act was passed overwhelmingly by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

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by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:32 AM
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afwifeandmommy3
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Yes it's filed and yes when we travel I do . I understand your point but we live in the us where everyone gets a vote

Quoting canadianmom1974:

Do you as a hetero couple need to file that paperwork, as well as carry it with you if you leave your state? I'm thinking not. Why should you (general) get to vote on basic civil rights for others? If it's a matter if a vote, what's to stop people from voting to make interracial marriage illegal again?



Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Legal documents .


Living will and so on.


I live in a state that voted and decided marriage is defined as one man one women if 70% ( example not fact ) voted and decided this then it's unreasonable to believe that there vote shouldn't matter because one man says so . Do I agree with it maybe maybe not . In my state they recognize partners and there are papers that they can file .






Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?







This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.








Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .









Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?






Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it





 

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canadianmom1974
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM
So one could have a basic civil right in one state, but not another? Yeah makes total sense.

I also wonder how it works for international married gay couples. It's completely legal here in Canada (and somehow our society continues on), but what does that mean if they were on holiday in a state that doesn't recognise legal gay marriage and were in an accident or ill?

Wouldn't that be quite the international incident if I were denied my right to make medical choices for my spouse because we were both women? (I'm not actually gay, but the point stands)


Quoting lizzielouaf:

If you're gay and marry in the state of Vermont (legal) and move to Alabama (SSM ban) you lose your legal rights and benefits as a married couple. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act



Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?



This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.




Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .





Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?




Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it



 




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mikiemom
by Ruby Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM
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Sigh, no they aren't. Civil rights is not divisive. Well I guess if you are a bigot it would seem that way to you.

canadianmom1974
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM
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Civil rights should never be up for vote. I get to vote on many things, but civil rights are, rightly, not one if them.

Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Yes it's filed and yes when we travel I do . I understand your point but we live in the us where everyone gets a vote



Quoting canadianmom1974:

Do you as a hetero couple need to file that paperwork, as well as carry it with you if you leave your state? I'm thinking not. Why should you (general) get to vote on basic civil rights for others? If it's a matter if a vote, what's to stop people from voting to make interracial marriage illegal again?





Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Legal documents .



Living will and so on.



I live in a state that voted and decided marriage is defined as one man one women if 70% ( example not fact ) voted and decided this then it's unreasonable to believe that there vote shouldn't matter because one man says so . Do I agree with it maybe maybe not . In my state they recognize partners and there are papers that they can file .








Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?









This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.










Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .











Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?







Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it






 

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afwifeandmommy3
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM
The us is not the only country that doesn't recognize gay marriage . Holidays are a choice as is the place you ( general ) travel

Quoting canadianmom1974:

So one could have a basic civil right in one state, but not another? Yeah makes total sense.



I also wonder how it works for international married gay couples. It's completely legal here in Canada (and somehow our society continues on), but what does that mean if they were on holiday in a state that doesn't recognise legal gay marriage and were in an accident or ill?



Wouldn't that be quite the international incident if I were denied my right to make medical choices for my spouse because we were both women? (I'm not actually gay, but the point stands)




Quoting lizzielouaf:

If you're gay and marry in the state of Vermont (legal) and move to Alabama (SSM ban) you lose your legal rights and benefits as a married couple. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act




Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?





This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.






Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .







Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?





Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it




 





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lizzielouaf
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM

You need to carry a Power of Attorney, always. Unfortunately just because you have the PoA it is still not a guarantee the legal document will be honored without having to consult a judge in an emergency situation. 

Regarding the interracial marriage, there is nothing to stop a proposal to try to ban once again. Just because a law is on the books and enacted doesn't mean it can't be challenged. Ie, Roe v. Wade. Btw, it took until the year 2000 for the state of Alabama to amend their laws to recognized interracial marriage.


Quoting canadianmom1974:

Do you as a hetero couple need to file that paperwork, as well as carry it with you if you leave your state? I'm thinking not. Why should you (general) get to vote on basic civil rights for others? If it's a matter if a vote, what's to stop people from voting to make interracial marriage illegal again?

Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Legal documents .

Living will and so on.

I live in a state that voted and decided marriage is defined as one man one women if 70% ( example not fact ) voted and decided this then it's unreasonable to believe that there vote shouldn't matter because one man says so . Do I agree with it maybe maybe not . In my state they recognize partners and there are papers that they can file .




Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?





This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.






Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .







Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?





Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it




 



afwifeandmommy3
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:30 AM
But not everyone believes marriage is one of them. IMO this is a title argument not a benefits argument .

Quoting canadianmom1974:

Civil rights should never be up for vote. I get to vote on many things, but civil rights are, rightly, not one if them.



Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Yes it's filed and yes when we travel I do . I understand your point but we live in the us where everyone gets a vote





Quoting canadianmom1974:

Do you as a hetero couple need to file that paperwork, as well as carry it with you if you leave your state? I'm thinking not. Why should you (general) get to vote on basic civil rights for others? If it's a matter if a vote, what's to stop people from voting to make interracial marriage illegal again?







Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

Legal documents .




Living will and so on.




I live in a state that voted and decided marriage is defined as one man one women if 70% ( example not fact ) voted and decided this then it's unreasonable to believe that there vote shouldn't matter because one man says so . Do I agree with it maybe maybe not . In my state they recognize partners and there are papers that they can file .










Quoting canadianmom1974:

My question if this is something that is left at a state level is, how does it work if a couple is legally married in one state, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with that, what happens when they move to another state where it's not legal? Or even if they're traveling through another state and they're in an accident or become ill? Do they still have the same legal rights as a married couple, or does that not happen because the state they're in doesn't recognise their marriage?











This just seems to me to be something that should be done at a federal level to ensure their rights are protected no matter where in the country they are.












Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

That he needs to not focus on this as his main issue. when the issues regarding financial issues of this country are so important. I believe if the courts have ruled this should be left at a state level at this time .













Quoting cjsbmom:

 Which parts?








Quoting afwifeandmommy3:

I agree with some of it







 

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canadianmom1974
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:32 AM
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Everyday I come on here and find yet another reason, or find my reasons confirmed yet again, to be thankful I don't live in the US.
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IntactivistMama
by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM
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Sacred institution, my shapely ass.

Vive le equal rights for all.
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IntactivistMama
by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM
I'm expatriate Canadian. :-P


Quoting canadianmom1974:

Everyday I come on here and find yet another reason, or find my reasons confirmed yet again, to be thankful I don't live in the US.

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