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The mentally ill and guns

Posted by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM
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'The monster want out': Mentally ill killer amassed huge arsenal, police say

 

Police say they found Christian Oberender with 13 guns, despite the fact he couldn't legally purchase any.

By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News

A Minnesota man who killed his mother with a shotgun and who has a history of mental illness managed to amass a personal arsenal in recent years, according to court documents.

In early January, police arrived at the home of Christian Philip Oberender to find the 32 year old in possession of 13 guns, including an AK-47, shotguns, and a Tommy gun, according to a complaint filed in Carver County's 1st Judicial District Court on January 9.

Police say they also found a note from Oberender addressed to his deceased mother in his house, according to the court document.

"I feel the good part of me fade away. I don't know how long I can hold it in for," the note read, according to the court document. "The monster want out. I know what happens when he comes out. He only been out one time and someone die."

Oberender had been adjudicated a delinquent in 1996 for killing his mother, according to the document. He was civilly committed as a "mentally ill and dangerous person" in 1998.

The Carver County Sheriff became interested in Oberender after receiving a tip that he had posted Facebook pictures of himself toting assault weapons and expressed sympathy for the shooters at Columbine High School and in Newtown, Conn., according to the document.

For one community leader, the move by police to seize Oberender's firearms came none too soon.

"The neighbors said they made numerous calls to the sheriff's department that a young man is out shooting a gun in the back yard," local school superintendent David Marlette told NBC affiliate KARE. "I just think it took too long for someone to come and take his guns away."

Oberender was charged with being a felon in possession of firearms, and booked into Carver County jail. He remained there Monday night with bail set at $100,000, according to a Carver County Jail inmate roster.

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Oberender obtained a permit in May that allowed him to buy guns through Minnesota dealers.

Custer County Deputy Jason Kamerud told KAREthat Oberender might have been able to buy the guns himself. The convicted killer's name did not show up in a background check through the state's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension database, according to Kamerud.

"When we ran his criminal history, it wasn't indicated that he should not be able to have firearms," Kamerud said.

There was no record because the BCA was never given any information on Oberender, according to officials.

"The BCA relies on entities in the criminal justice system to provide data on an individual which then populates the individual's criminal history," BCA officials said in a statement, according to KARE-TV. "There were no data submitted to the BCA about this individual. Without it there can be no record."

Oberender lived in treatment centers until he was 21, according to a 2003 article by the Associated Press. He then spent a year in a halfway house before being released, according to the article. At the time of his interview with the AP, Oberender said he was working in an auto parts store.

"I saw all kinds of psychologists and got all kinds of treatment," Oberender told the AP. They helped him "manage my behavior and not get angry over stupid stuff," Oberender said at the time.

 

 

This debate stills goes on... Well for me it's more of a fact now... things need to change. We have guns in our house. I don't want/think the government should or will take our guns away, but it's obvious that the way we are handling gun rights and who gets them isn't working so great right now. I know criminals will always find away, this guy did the legal way. I just don't understand how he got them I know it didn't show up on his record or whatever but good lord I think that's a problem.

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Sisteract
by Whoopie on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM
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Mental illness is absolutely the worst kind of illness to treat.

Adults have rights- even adults with broken processing systems.

Having a broken processing system leads to poor compliance.

These folks should never have weapons in their possessions or access to such.

pamelax3
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:30 PM
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I do not understand how he is out walking the streets after killing someone I do not care what his age was

stormcris
by Christy on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM
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It seems the breakdown in this case was in the records keeping of laws already present. Perhaps the best step is in enforcing the laws that are already on the books. However, one does not just get a Tommy Gun through normal means.

I really detest that they are calling 13 guns a huge arsenal.

TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:33 PM
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Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 

stormcris
by Christy on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Honestly it did not matter if he was mentally ill or sane. He committed a felony while being armed and via it. In most if not all states, that alone prevents a person from ever legally possessing a firearm.

Quoting Sisteract:

Mental illness is absolutely the worst kind of illness to treat.

Adults have rights- even adults with broken processing systems.

Having a broken processing system leads to poor compliance.

These folks should never have weapons in their possessions or access to such.


Kokoscold
by Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:36 PM

 

As I understand what you are saying we do the same thing to people who can't stay sober.... we take their right to drive away (least where I live we do) and once you lose your lic it's not coming back.

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


 

furbabymum
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM

 What?

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 

 

furbabymum
by Gold Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:38 PM
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 So how do you qualify it? Just wondering. My DH is bipolar and he's an expert marksmen. We have guns. Bipolar is a mental illness and some bipolar's probably shouldn't have guns. So, how do you qualify it?

Quoting Sisteract:

Mental illness is absolutely the worst kind of illness to treat.

Adults have rights- even adults with broken processing systems.

Having a broken processing system leads to poor compliance.

These folks should never have weapons in their possessions or access to such.

 

Kokoscold
by Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:40 PM

 

I agree in part. I think our "old" system really needs to be enforced but at the same time I don't think all kinds of guns should be available to buy by civilians.

And yeah how the F did he get a Tommy Gun?!?!?....

Quoting stormcris:

It seems the breakdown in this case was in the records keeping of laws already present. Perhaps the best step is in enforcing the laws that are already on the books. However, one does not just get a Tommy Gun through normal means.

I really detest that they are calling 13 guns a huge arsenal.


 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM
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Quoting Kokoscold:


As I understand what you are saying we do the same thing to people who can't stay sober.... we take their right to drive away (least where I live we do) and once you lose your lic it's not coming back.

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 



You bring up a very good point.

Time and again, many fall to the car side of this issue, using it as an example.  You have pointed out another aspect of this particular example.

Many people who own guns should not have them, for a variety of reasons.  Legal or otherwise.  It's the otherwise we are having a hard time with.  How to determine who should, and should not, be permitted to own guns, be near guns.  BEFORE some one is harmed or killed.

Some one said that perhaps some type of physc test should be taken prior to being able to legally own a weapon of any kind.  If you want that weapon bad enough, you will have the eval done, at your own expense.

Meh, there has to be a middle ground some where.  

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