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'The monster want out': Mentally ill killer amassed huge arsenal, police say

 

Police say they found Christian Oberender with 13 guns, despite the fact he couldn't legally purchase any.

By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News

A Minnesota man who killed his mother with a shotgun and who has a history of mental illness managed to amass a personal arsenal in recent years, according to court documents.

In early January, police arrived at the home of Christian Philip Oberender to find the 32 year old in possession of 13 guns, including an AK-47, shotguns, and a Tommy gun, according to a complaint filed in Carver County's 1st Judicial District Court on January 9.

Police say they also found a note from Oberender addressed to his deceased mother in his house, according to the court document.

"I feel the good part of me fade away. I don't know how long I can hold it in for," the note read, according to the court document. "The monster want out. I know what happens when he comes out. He only been out one time and someone die."

Oberender had been adjudicated a delinquent in 1996 for killing his mother, according to the document. He was civilly committed as a "mentally ill and dangerous person" in 1998.

The Carver County Sheriff became interested in Oberender after receiving a tip that he had posted Facebook pictures of himself toting assault weapons and expressed sympathy for the shooters at Columbine High School and in Newtown, Conn., according to the document.

For one community leader, the move by police to seize Oberender's firearms came none too soon.

"The neighbors said they made numerous calls to the sheriff's department that a young man is out shooting a gun in the back yard," local school superintendent David Marlette told NBC affiliate KARE. "I just think it took too long for someone to come and take his guns away."

Oberender was charged with being a felon in possession of firearms, and booked into Carver County jail. He remained there Monday night with bail set at $100,000, according to a Carver County Jail inmate roster.

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Oberender obtained a permit in May that allowed him to buy guns through Minnesota dealers.

Custer County Deputy Jason Kamerud told KAREthat Oberender might have been able to buy the guns himself. The convicted killer's name did not show up in a background check through the state's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension database, according to Kamerud.

"When we ran his criminal history, it wasn't indicated that he should not be able to have firearms," Kamerud said.

There was no record because the BCA was never given any information on Oberender, according to officials.

"The BCA relies on entities in the criminal justice system to provide data on an individual which then populates the individual's criminal history," BCA officials said in a statement, according to KARE-TV. "There were no data submitted to the BCA about this individual. Without it there can be no record."

Oberender lived in treatment centers until he was 21, according to a 2003 article by the Associated Press. He then spent a year in a halfway house before being released, according to the article. At the time of his interview with the AP, Oberender said he was working in an auto parts store.

"I saw all kinds of psychologists and got all kinds of treatment," Oberender told the AP. They helped him "manage my behavior and not get angry over stupid stuff," Oberender said at the time.

 

 

This debate stills goes on... Well for me it's more of a fact now... things need to change. We have guns in our house. I don't want/think the government should or will take our guns away, but it's obvious that the way we are handling gun rights and who gets them isn't working so great right now. I know criminals will always find away, this guy did the legal way. I just don't understand how he got them I know it didn't show up on his record or whatever but good lord I think that's a problem.

by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM
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Momniscient
by Ruby Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Sigh.

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 



rfurlongg
by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM
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Quoting Sisteract:

Mental illness is absolutely the worst kind of illness to treat.

Adults have rights- even adults with broken processing systems.

Having a broken processing system leads to poor compliance.

These folks should never have weapons in their possessions or access to such.

I agree. However mental illness is quite common and the vast majority of people with a diagnosable mental illness are not a danger. Therefore not allowing ssomeone to purchase a gun due to their mental health status can be quite tricky. Human behaviour is very dynamic and often unpredictable. 

kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 5:55 PM
I bought a package of flu/cold symptom relief in Seattle the other day, and had to show I'd. Um, what am I going to do with 10 pills other than use them as intended? Lol

Quoting Kokoscold:

 I know it was a weird comparison..... but I couldn't think of anything else. I also like to add that just because you buy lots of bullets doens't mean you're going go all postal (pun intended)




Quoting kailu1835:

I had to chuckle at your comparison. Buying a ton of ammo is very likely for the reasons the PHP posted. Buying a ton of sudafed usually has only one purpose, and its not a good one :-)


Quoting Kokoscold:


 Thank you for the break down



I like that there is a system in place for obtaining a full auto/semi auto but I still don't think civiliansshould even be able to get most of them. That's just me. I guess I just don't understand the use unless you collect or are crazy dooms day type. (I know I just assumed all owners of Semis are crazy. And I know they aren't) I just don't see the need for them, unless the zombie apocalypse happens or I get charged by 20 bears.



The ammo cap I waiver on... I know when you go target shooting you go through them pretty quickly and that they aren't cheap, but I guess I'd like to see the ammo more regulated like say prescription meds that are over the counter. You need an id and there's a cap on how much you buy when it comes to Sudafed why not ammo.



 



Quoting LuvmyAiden:



 



Let start with the NFA. Full autos, which is what assault rifles are, are regulated by the NFA. They are not only VERY expensive but the wait to get atf approval IF you can find one and afford it is over a year and you have to meet some VERY strict criteria as well as be put into a national database and the gun cannot be sold without the buyer doing all of the same things you did to get it. That covers full autos and assault rifles. Now standard issue ar-15s and civilian ak-47s are NOT full auto so they are not considered assault rifles. They are civilian issue and semi auto. The only difference in them and any other semiauto rifles is the LOOK. MOST semi auto rifles have larger mags made to be used with them and ars can take small mags so that is a nonissue. None of them shoot any faster than another whether they are wood stock or scary black. The things like pistol grips and collapsible stalks are convenience and preference, they do not change the ability of the gun at all, again it's just looks.



Now to capping ammo purchases. Those who shoot often will tell you that ammo goes fast at the range. It is also not cheap. Buying in bulk makes it far cheaper. Instructors and competition shooters would be stupid to buy it any other way simply because they go through SO much. Many that I know go in together on one huge order to save money on both the ammo(due to bulk) and the shipping. Also buying in bulk online saves sales tax(over 9% in my area). So there are valid reasons for buying in bulk.



Just a few reasons I don't agree with bans.



Quoting Kokoscold:



 Oh I agree it's not just about guns anymore...... Our WHOLE thinking on how we handle our mentally ill is sad and needs to be looked at and changed and throw in the prison system as well.



But I don't agree with you on not banning guns. For me I think certain types of guns the public shouldn't have access to. I'm not a gun expert so I'm probably going to be wrong but for me certain types of Autos and SemiAutos shouldn't be available to the public. Also the cap on ammo I'm not apposed to this as well... I don't think Joe Somebody should be able to buy 5000 rounds of bullets(5000 is probably a crazy number anyways... least I hope it is) We too have guns in our home. My husband goes hunting for our winter meat when he wins the State Lotto. I also love to have a gun when we go to our cabin, or fishing, camping, and hiking, but it's not to protect myself from people or shot targets..... I seriously don't wanna be eaten by a bear.



So yes I agree our current system is flawed and we should fix that first but I also think some new regulations should be added in as well.



 



Quoting LuvmyAiden:



The system absolutely needs overhauling, no doubt about that. I feel fixing the issues with the current system is a first step instead of tryig to add all sorts of new stuff when the current stuff isn't even in working order. And BANS are never the fix IMO. The biggest problem I see in this article isn't the gun laws though. This guy should have been locked up forever, period. Convicted murderers being released is a problem in and of itself. The guy who shot and killed the firefighters that he ambushed was a convicted murderer as well. Killed his grandma with a hammer but was released from prison anyway.



 



 



 



 



 



 




 

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kailu1835
by Ruby Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 5:56 PM
Maybe it was sarcasm? Sort of threw me for a loop too lol

Quoting Momniscient:

Sigh.

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".


The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


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Kokoscold
by Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 5:58 PM

 The sad thing is I've heard of people selling their unused Sudafed to meth heads...... that is sad I know. Anyways you and I use them what they are supposed to be used for but not all do this


Quoting kailu1835:

I bought a package of flu/cold symptom relief in Seattle the other day, and had to show I'd. Um, what am I going to do with 10 pills other than use them as intended? Lol

Quoting Kokoscold:

 I know it was a weird comparison..... but I couldn't think of anything else. I also like to add that just because you buy lots of bullets doens't mean you're going go all postal (pun intended)


 


Quoting kailu1835:

I had to chuckle at your comparison. Buying a ton of ammo is very likely for the reasons the PHP posted. Buying a ton of sudafed usually has only one purpose, and its not a good one :-)


Quoting Kokoscold:


 Thank you for the break down



I like that there is a system in place for obtaining a full auto/semi auto but I still don't think civiliansshould even be able to get most of them. That's just me. I guess I just don't understand the use unless you collect or are crazy dooms day type. (I know I just assumed all owners of Semis are crazy. And I know they aren't) I just don't see the need for them, unless the zombie apocalypse happens or I get charged by 20 bears.



The ammo cap I waiver on... I know when you go target shooting you go through them pretty quickly and that they aren't cheap, but I guess I'd like to see the ammo more regulated like say prescription meds that are over the counter. You need an id and there's a cap on how much you buy when it comes to Sudafed why not ammo.



 



Quoting LuvmyAiden:



 



Let start with the NFA. Full autos, which is what assault rifles are, are regulated by the NFA. They are not only VERY expensive but the wait to get atf approval IF you can find one and afford it is over a year and you have to meet some VERY strict criteria as well as be put into a national database and the gun cannot be sold without the buyer doing all of the same things you did to get it. That covers full autos and assault rifles. Now standard issue ar-15s and civilian ak-47s are NOT full auto so they are not considered assault rifles. They are civilian issue and semi auto. The only difference in them and any other semiauto rifles is the LOOK. MOST semi auto rifles have larger mags made to be used with them and ars can take small mags so that is a nonissue. None of them shoot any faster than another whether they are wood stock or scary black. The things like pistol grips and collapsible stalks are convenience and preference, they do not change the ability of the gun at all, again it's just looks.



Now to capping ammo purchases. Those who shoot often will tell you that ammo goes fast at the range. It is also not cheap. Buying in bulk makes it far cheaper. Instructors and competition shooters would be stupid to buy it any other way simply because they go through SO much. Many that I know go in together on one huge order to save money on both the ammo(due to bulk) and the shipping. Also buying in bulk online saves sales tax(over 9% in my area). So there are valid reasons for buying in bulk.



Just a few reasons I don't agree with bans.



Quoting Kokoscold:



 Oh I agree it's not just about guns anymore...... Our WHOLE thinking on how we handle our mentally ill is sad and needs to be looked at and changed and throw in the prison system as well.



But I don't agree with you on not banning guns. For me I think certain types of guns the public shouldn't have access to. I'm not a gun expert so I'm probably going to be wrong but for me certain types of Autos and SemiAutos shouldn't be available to the public. Also the cap on ammo I'm not apposed to this as well... I don't think Joe Somebody should be able to buy 5000 rounds of bullets(5000 is probably a crazy number anyways... least I hope it is) We too have guns in our home. My husband goes hunting for our winter meat when he wins the State Lotto. I also love to have a gun when we go to our cabin, or fishing, camping, and hiking, but it's not to protect myself from people or shot targets..... I seriously don't wanna be eaten by a bear.



So yes I agree our current system is flawed and we should fix that first but I also think some new regulations should be added in as well.



 



Quoting LuvmyAiden:



The system absolutely needs overhauling, no doubt about that. I feel fixing the issues with the current system is a first step instead of tryig to add all sorts of new stuff when the current stuff isn't even in working order. And BANS are never the fix IMO. The biggest problem I see in this article isn't the gun laws though. This guy should have been locked up forever, period. Convicted murderers being released is a problem in and of itself. The guy who shot and killed the firefighters that he ambushed was a convicted murderer as well. Killed his grandma with a hammer but was released from prison anyway.



 



 



 



 



 



 


 


 


 

KreatingMe
by Silver Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM
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I didn't see psychiatric drugs mentioned anywhere in the article. Are you feeling OK? There are plenty of mentally ill people who are unstable and OR off psychiatric drugs. The point has nothing to do with drugs, rather it's that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. 

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM

 So you believe that he has a "history of mental illness", yet no pharmaceutical happy psychiatrist has treated him with anything?

Not buying it.  It is a logical conclusion. 

The point is PRECISELY that the ones who are doing this typically have a mental illness/drug background.  They are already announcing (ironically) that many ANTI-depressants can cause one to consider suicide...could it also make them consider murder.  This kid had NO background of any violence or juvenile history.  He just snapped. 

It's something to consider.  If it is not at issue here, then fine, but it does raise the issue. 

The GUNS don't kill anyone. Cars don't kill anyone.   Normal teens don't kill anyone.  


Quoting KreatingMe:

I didn't see psychiatric drugs mentioned anywhere in the article. Are you feeling OK? There are plenty of mentally ill people who are unstable and OR off psychiatric drugs. The point has nothing to do with drugs, rather it's that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. 

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 



 

Kokoscold
by Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:38 PM

 Oberender had been adjudicated a delinquent in 1996 for killing his mother, according to the document. He was civilly committed as a "mentally ill and dangerous person" in 1998.

He didn't just snap.


Quoting TranquilMind:

 So you believe that he has a "history of mental illness", yet no pharmaceutical happy psychiatrist has treated him with anything?

Not buying it.  It is a logical conclusion. 

The point is PRECISELY that the ones who are doing this typically have a mental illness/drug background.  They are already announcing (ironically) that many ANTI-depressants can cause one to consider suicide...could it also make them consider murder.  This kid had NO background of any violence or juvenile history.  He just snapped. 

It's something to consider.  If it is not at issue here, then fine, but it does raise the issue. 

The GUNS don't kill anyone. Cars don't kill anyone.   Normal teens don't kill anyone.  

 

Quoting KreatingMe:

I didn't see psychiatric drugs mentioned anywhere in the article. Are you feeling OK? There are plenty of mentally ill people who are unstable and OR off psychiatric drugs. The point has nothing to do with drugs, rather it's that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. 

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


 

 


 

TranquilMind
by Platinum Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:39 PM

 Oops, sorry.  Wrong post.  I was thinking of Nehemiah Griego and posted in wrong location.


Quoting Kokoscold:

 Oberender had been adjudicated a delinquent in 1996 for killing his mother, according to the document. He was civilly committed as a "mentally ill and dangerous person" in 1998.

He didn't just snap.

 

Quoting TranquilMind:

 So you believe that he has a "history of mental illness", yet no pharmaceutical happy psychiatrist has treated him with anything?

Not buying it.  It is a logical conclusion. 

The point is PRECISELY that the ones who are doing this typically have a mental illness/drug background.  They are already announcing (ironically) that many ANTI-depressants can cause one to consider suicide...could it also make them consider murder.  This kid had NO background of any violence or juvenile history.  He just snapped. 

It's something to consider.  If it is not at issue here, then fine, but it does raise the issue. 

The GUNS don't kill anyone. Cars don't kill anyone.   Normal teens don't kill anyone.  

 

Quoting KreatingMe:

I didn't see psychiatric drugs mentioned anywhere in the article. Are you feeling OK? There are plenty of mentally ill people who are unstable and OR off psychiatric drugs. The point has nothing to do with drugs, rather it's that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. 

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


 

 

 

 


 

Kokoscold
by Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM

 LOL it's ok I thought you had posted to the wrong thread........ I was starting to wonder :)


Quoting TranquilMind:

 Oops, sorry.  Wrong post.  I was thinking of Nehemiah Griego and posted in wrong location.

 

Quoting Kokoscold:

 Oberender had been adjudicated a delinquent in 1996 for killing his mother, according to the document. He was civilly committed as a "mentally ill and dangerous person" in 1998.

He didn't just snap.

 

Quoting TranquilMind:

 So you believe that he has a "history of mental illness", yet no pharmaceutical happy psychiatrist has treated him with anything?

Not buying it.  It is a logical conclusion. 

The point is PRECISELY that the ones who are doing this typically have a mental illness/drug background.  They are already announcing (ironically) that many ANTI-depressants can cause one to consider suicide...could it also make them consider murder.  This kid had NO background of any violence or juvenile history.  He just snapped. 

It's something to consider.  If it is not at issue here, then fine, but it does raise the issue. 

The GUNS don't kill anyone. Cars don't kill anyone.   Normal teens don't kill anyone.  

 

Quoting KreatingMe:

I didn't see psychiatric drugs mentioned anywhere in the article. Are you feeling OK? There are plenty of mentally ill people who are unstable and OR off psychiatric drugs. The point has nothing to do with drugs, rather it's that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. 

Quoting TranquilMind:

Um, hellooooo (to the writer of the article, not you).  So the problem here is psychiatric drugs, if he has a "history of mental illness".

The drugs are the problem, because they all have dangerous side effects.  Not the guns, any more than the cars are the problem when it comes to drunken driving. 


 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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