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The Murders of Teen's family by, Nehemiah Griego the son, in NM. What do you think our Courts should do with him?

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This is another one of those cases, that really has me asking myself, a lot of questions.  I was wondering what others thought about this case.  Was it Mental Illness?  What do we do with all these young kids that kill, mostly kill their families?  Should they be tried as an adult?  Here's some of the things that I just don't understand.

1.  The Uncle says the parents wouldn't allow him to play any violent video games.  Yet, I don't think that is the case or that parents are very careful these days with what movies they watch, video games they play.  As matter of fact, if I happen to be seeing a rated R movie, I see A LOT of young kids in there.  Sad.  Do you feel kids watching or playing violent movies or video games, can contribute to kids & violence?

2.  The teen planned on going to Wal-Mart to open fire on shoppers & have a shoot-out with the police.  What possesses anyone, yet alone a child to do this?  He's dad is a Pastor, the teen was home-schooled & very active in Church.  What happen to this teen?  I just don't understand this.  How can he kill his parents, & especially kill his siblings like that?

3.  The Uncle says that they believe differently about guns then a lot of Americans.  Since, the father was gone a lot, he taught his 15 yr how to shot a gun.  There were a lot of weapons, loaded inside the house & NOT locked up.  Why?  WHY would anyone do that?  The dad even had a AR-15 Assault Rifle.  umm  People that knew this teen said he was quite & courteous. 

4.  I'm not sure if this boy should be tried as an adult.  Be put into the system with other 'adult' criminals.  But, with what this teen did, how can he ever be safe in society again?  I don't feel he should be in the prison system.  He should be locked away & be given a chance to have all the resources available.  But, I don't believe he should be out anytime soon.  What do you think? 

Why do you think we are having SO many of our young people doing such horrible crimes?  What do you think we as a society can do to help with this problem?  I know No. 1 PARENTS need to start being better parents. 

by on Jan. 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM
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MaySheWillStay
by on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

The walmart part really bugs me too. I'm not sure where that would fit in. I guess it would depend on which murder was the priority - his family, or walmart. Like with the Newtown shooting, it seems the school was the primary target and the shooting of the mother was kind of an afterthought, even though he killed her first.

It's all just speculation, even if someone does find out, the media will probably just stick with their usual story - insane person goes apeshit, no rhyme or reason, and kills completely innocent people in senseless tragedy. The same way they went to great lengths back in the early 90s to tell the same story about the Menendez brothers (the two young men who conspired to kill their parents). The media presented it as two spoiled rich kids who just got up one day and decided to whack their parents for the money. So did the prosecuting attorneys. But what the media conveniently left out or downplayed was the testimony from both brothers AND numerous other sources that sexual, physical and emotional abuse was the daily reality for them. What's more likely: two complete sociopaths growing up in the same house AND being bent on murder AND agreeing to do it together (cooperation is not exactly a quality most sociopaths posess) to their own completely lovely, innocent, senselessly-slain parents... or two kids driven to the absolute extreme of human behavior after suffering years of abuse? Who knows what the truth is, we'll never know now, but my money is on the latter.


If the family was the primary target, then I'd say the walmart plan is less important. Perhaps knowing he would be caught, he planned to just take down whoever he could, out of sheer anger at the world? I don't know.

But if Walmart was the primary target, I'd venture a guess that he killed the family to get them out of the way or spare them from having to live with the consequences of his actions. Mass shooters, as he'd be classified if he'd shot up walmart and that was his primary focus, are often paranoid, feel as though they're outside or above the rest of the world, feel as if it's some kind of mission for them to kill, and have a very warped view of the world as a hostile and threatening place.

Much of that also can also be a by-product of the way he may have been raised, if his parents were indeed fundamentalists. The paranoia, hostile view of the outside world, the fear, the anger and feelings of persecution or threat from "outsiders" are all very common mentalities in religious fundamentalism, as well as other forms of social dysfunction. Combine that with untreated mental illness or even a relatively normal person pushed to breaking point by some unknown factor (abuse, social rejection, terror), and that's a recipe for a mass shooting in and of itself. Perhaps walmart was the easiest location for him to "take a stand" and carry out whatever he thought he needed to.

Again, all just speculation. But it's an alternative to the usual "insane person killed family or shot up a public place for absolutely no reason" story.


I've been googling around trying to find a listing on the church, but so far, nothing. From what I can tell, there are multiple Calvary Churches in the area, but the two that have listings don't say anything about a pastor named Griego, and I crawled them with the Wayback Machine to see if they'd merely edited him out in the wake of the shooting, but nothing's turning up. The one the media seems to list is a megachurch with a bunch of pastors, but again, none named Griego.

Edit: it is the megachurch. http://www.calvaryabq.org/news.asp#news4685


Quoting Naturewoman4:

Thank-You for your post.  Very interesting!  Does anyone know what type of Church it was the family attended?  We hear about teens killing their parents, but siblings?  I agree, that really got to me.  But, your post gave 1 possibility of why that could be.  But, how would that explain wanting to go to Wal-Mart to shoot at shoppers? 


Quoting MaySheWillStay:

I can't pass judgement on what should happen to him until I know the whole story. The more I read about it, the more convinced I become that something very, very weird was going on in that family.

10 kids, pastor daddy, lot of the kids had crazy names that are only really heard amongst fundamentalists, kids were homeschooled, rural area, guns everywhere... they sound less the loving family and more the lunatic fringe.

If they are indeed fundie as I suspect they are, their child-raising methods probably include a lot of heavy-handed bible-thumping, corporal punishment and fear of the parents, lots of fear in general, lots of paranoia about government/outsiders/culture wars/persecution, among other gems this culture produces. Naturally not all fundamentalists are like this, but a good majority of them are, particularly the isolationist kinds.


I find it interesting he killed the siblings (those that were there at the time). It's so uncommon for youth to murder siblings. The motivations for killing parents and the motivations for killing siblings are usually completely different. Especially with such young siblings. I've read bits and pieces on it over the years, from what I remember, youth who murder parents usually do so out of rage, revenge or personal gain. Youth who murder siblings, especially child siblings, tend to do so in a twisted kind of mercy killing, to spare them from harm or further trauma.

Of course he could just have been completely insane or an "evil" person... but I think that's an all-too-easy answer we get and buy into all too often, because it's more comfortable to think of someone as insane or evil than to consider the possibility that good, relatively normal people can be driven to such extremes absent insanity or evil, by the conditions around them.




"There is something undeveloped about parents who demand respect. Obviously, they have failed to inspire love in their children, and so they demand an inferior substitute. Parents who are really fair and square with their children do not require repsect. If you want to be respected by your child, act in such a manner that the respect comes naturally - which means deservedly - and not because your child fears reprisal." - A.S. Neill

DawnPratt23
by on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Knowing NM, large families aren't uncommon, but they could be from prior relationships- I haven't heard 10 kids either.

The uncle is a former senator and instead of picking up the tab for defense, he's pushed this kid off to public defense.

A lot of people are irate about this, the defense also accused police of leaking false info on wanting to kill more.

http://www.KOB.com/article/stories/S2909399.shtml?cat=500


Halfway house.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2904258.shtml?cat=504




Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting DawnPratt23:

I have yet seen any local news say there were 10 children. And southwest valley is not rural like Edgewood, its a 10 min drive to downtown albuquerque, 15 mins to base, and 15 to los lunas. But I'm basing my info from local reports and people who knows the family. Not a national paper who wants to sensationalize every gun crime for ratings. I'll keep referring people to local news. And I do know NM and the area very well.



Quoting MaySheWillStay:

He has 5 older siblings who weren't home at the time.  I've seen 10 quoted in numerous articles, not sure whether the 9th (not including the shooter) has been explained or not. Apparently there were either 4 or 5 kids still at home, and 5 older ones who weren't involved, so either there was 4 at home and 6 not at home, or 5 at home and one is still unaccounted for. Or maybe was deceased or out of the family already, from some unrelated event?

The father is apparently an ex gang member who had some sort of miraculous religious conversion, that right there is a red flag to me. Even if he wasn't a former gang member, sudden religious conversions are rarely a sign of mental stability. That he then went on to lead a church as a pastor and had 10 kids makes me wonder. It sounds like he was trying to build himself a cult.


The nearest city to them is Albuquerque, but evidently they lived quite a ways out. Anyone who's spent time around there knows how quickly you can get into no-mans-land once you're out of the suburbs. It's very easy to find seemingly isolated places not 15 minutes' drive outside the city center.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

The family had 4 kids, includes the teen.  I believe Nehemiah 15, a 9, 5 & 2 yr.  The 2 yr. was a little girl :(  I heard also that where they lived was semi-rural.  I was curious as to their names as well.  I agree too, that having all those guns in the home, LOADED &  not locked up was a killing waiting to happen.  Also, there was an assault weapon.  I don't undestand why the father would have all those guns. 



 The Uncle even said, they do things different when it comes to comes to guns??  They have the oldest child defend the family, when the father is gone??  Therefore, not having them locked up & having them loaded??  Crazy.  I wonder what the gun laws are in NM.  How did the father able to get all those guns?  I will never know how ANYONE can be allowed an assult weapon.  Especially, since the father was an ex-gang member. 






Quoting DawnPratt23:



I had always known that name to be of Hispanic origin, since it is a popular name in NM and Mexico. Was most likely brought over by Cortes long ago, and considering the strong Catholic background of the area, not shocking that it would be Hebrew. The actual pronunciation is Nehemias.  



New Mexico is far from Fundies, nor is that area rural. I was only trying to enlighten her to facts, and how far off the profiling was. Since I am from there and still have strong ties to the area. Wasn't sure were she got 10 kids, and rural area? Now if she was talking about Colorado City, AZ- yes, she would be right on. 






The first mistake was allowing a former gang member guns, second mistake was having guns on a property that has a halfway house on it. 



Quoting survivorinohio:



Nehemiah is a hebrew name.  Many fundies are into guns and naming their kids hebrew names.



Much of what she said is good profiling IMO.  Its hypothesis and opinion, not fact or assumption. At least thats how I read it.  I was thinking a lot of the same having been raised by a similar fashion, all the fear and harsh punishment I mean.



We will see if it pans out to be this or not.  Something definitely went wrong somewhere.









Quoting DawnPratt23:

What??? Really where do you get your info? There were 4 kids, Albuquerque is not a rural area, the names are Hispanic, he was a former gang member turned pastor for the police. And the guns were in the closet. Read the link I posted on the other page, from the City it happened in. I'm from there, and laughing at what you assume.



Quoting MaySheWillStay:



I can't pass judgement on what should happen to him until I know the whole story. The more I read about it, the more convinced I become that something very, very weird was going on in that family.



10 kids, pastor daddy, lot of the kids had crazy names that are only really heard amongst fundamentalists, kids were homeschooled, rural area, guns everywhere... they sound less the loving family and more the lunatic fringe.



If they are indeed fundie as I suspect they are, their child-raising methods probably include a lot of heavy-handed bible-thumping, corporal punishment and fear of the parents, lots of fear in general, lots of paranoia about government/outsiders/culture wars/persecution, among other gems this culture produces. Naturally not all fundamentalists are like this, but a good majority of them are, particularly the isolationist kinds.






I find it interesting he killed the siblings (those that were there at the time). It's so uncommon for youth to murder siblings. The motivations for killing parents and the motivations for killing siblings are usually completely different. Especially with such young siblings. I've read bits and pieces on it over the years, from what I remember, youth who murder parents usually do so out of rage, revenge or personal gain. Youth who murder siblings, especially child siblings, tend to do so in a twisted kind of mercy killing, to spare them from harm or further trauma.



Of course he could just have been completely insane or an "evil" person... but I think that's an all-too-easy answer we get and buy into all too often, because it's more comfortable to think of someone as insane or evil than to consider the possibility that good, relatively normal people can be driven to such extremes absent insanity or evil, by the conditions around them.














My niece, who lives there and knows the family, although she knew mom longer, has not mentioned 10 children.  Or that she has heard there are 10 children.  Who knows.

Have you heard that the Uncle may not have been as knowing and close to the family as he is letting on...........or how the media is spinning it?


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Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM

It must of been really hard for the parents of your niece to have gone through all that.  It's such a shame that it took that long.  What if he would of killed someone.  All because Ins. Co's or the State are not recognizing the Mental Illness in the first place.  I worked for the County Schools for over 10 yrs.  So, I've seen a lot too.  It seems that school's just don't know what to do with the children.  

Some, are good, but a lot are not.  The Directors/Supv. of a school district, just aren't doing their jobs.  Otherwise, they would come into the classrooms more often, to check it out.  I can image how hard it must be to commit your child, but it's the best place for them.  Both for themselves & society.  Perhaps, he will get the help he needs. 

The reason why I'm not for trying him as an adult, is if convicted (which he will) that means he will be put in prison with all the other criminals?  Where those creeps can do all sorts of horrible things to other convicts.  I just think once convicted, youths should be in a locked facility, AWAY from the public.  But, in with other kids their own age. 


Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting Naturewoman4:

Yes, I agree the two cases aren't the same at all.  My point I was trying to make is parents need to be responsible for when they have guns in their house.  That's good to hear that a teen/young person, would finally get the help they are needed.  I credit the parents for that, because they were presistant in seeing to it. 

 So, it appears that there's places for young kids that are diagnosed with a true Mental Illness.  Instead of being tried as an adult & putting them away in prison all their lives.  Or letting them out too early & they commit more crimes.                                                                                                   

 

Quoting FromAtoZ:

 

 

 

He has not been diagnosed with a true mental illness.  For years his mother has tried to have some one recognize his issues.  I see a mental illness, his mother has...always.  It took his living on a military base, causing issues in school there and setting a cat's paws on fire, as well as stealing from the BX, for some one to pay attention.  Years of fighting, however, with the insurance to recognize the issues as well.

I have no problem with this kid being tried as an adult.  Mental illness or not. 


 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:22 PM
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I completely agree with the quote below, which came from one of the articles posted above....


Quote:

It is far too soon to know the meaning of this tragedy, and far too soon to judge.

This is the time for diligent inquiry and calm reflection.

It is a very good time for restraint in public statements."


Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:26 PM

That's horrible of the Uncle to go on Dr. Drew do all that bitching about false info., yet he doesn't help the teen out with his defense.  I thought it was true that the teen, loaded up some guns & drove off.  Wanting to shoot at Wal-mart shoppers & then have a shotout with police.  Instead he went to church. 

I certainly wouldn't want to live in NM, to be honest.  It's bad enough in Calif.  What burns me up, is when people have so many kids, & yet the taxpayers have to end up paying for them.

I wonder....just wondering....I read where his dad lost his job??  From everything I read about the father, even though I know he was doing a lot of good too!  But, it doesn't seem like he had enough time to care for the kids he had.  To spend time with his 4 kids.  (4 that was living at home).  How could he when he was a Pastor, ran a halfway house & did so much volunteer work.  Perhaps, the teen saw the living condition he & the other siblings were living under.  Idk.  Boys at the age need their fathers so much!  Perhaps, he had a lot of resentments as well. 

Quoting DawnPratt23:

Knowing NM, large families aren't uncommon, but they could be from prior relationships- I haven't heard 10 kids either.

The uncle is a former senator and instead of picking up the tab for defense, he's pushed this kid off to public defense.

A lot of people are irate about this, the defense also accused police of leaking false info on wanting to kill more.

http://www.KOB.com/article/stories/S2909399.shtml?cat=500


Halfway house.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2904258.shtml?cat=504




Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting DawnPratt23:

I have yet seen any local news say there were 10 children. And southwest valley is not rural like Edgewood, its a 10 min drive to downtown albuquerque, 15 mins to base, and 15 to los lunas. But I'm basing my info from local reports and people who knows the family. Not a national paper who wants to sensationalize every gun crime for ratings. I'll keep referring people to local news. And I do know NM and the area very well.



Quoting MaySheWillStay:

He has 5 older siblings who weren't home at the time.  I've seen 10 quoted in numerous articles, not sure whether the 9th (not including the shooter) has been explained or not. Apparently there were either 4 or 5 kids still at home, and 5 older ones who weren't involved, so either there was 4 at home and 6 not at home, or 5 at home and one is still unaccounted for. Or maybe was deceased or out of the family already, from some unrelated event?

The father is apparently an ex gang member who had some sort of miraculous religious conversion, that right there is a red flag to me. Even if he wasn't a former gang member, sudden religious conversions are rarely a sign of mental stability. That he then went on to lead a church as a pastor and had 10 kids makes me wonder. It sounds like he was trying to build himself a cult.

 

The nearest city to them is Albuquerque, but evidently they lived quite a ways out. Anyone who's spent time around there knows how quickly you can get into no-mans-land once you're out of the suburbs. It's very easy to find seemingly isolated places not 15 minutes' drive outside the city center.

Quoting Naturewoman4:

The family had 4 kids, includes the teen.  I believe Nehemiah 15, a 9, 5 & 2 yr.  The 2 yr. was a little girl :(  I heard also that where they lived was semi-rural.  I was curious as to their names as well.  I agree too, that having all those guns in the home, LOADED &  not locked up was a killing waiting to happen.  Also, there was an assault weapon.  I don't undestand why the father would have all those guns. 



 The Uncle even said, they do things different when it comes to comes to guns??  They have the oldest child defend the family, when the father is gone??  Therefore, not having them locked up & having them loaded??  Crazy.  I wonder what the gun laws are in NM.  How did the father able to get all those guns?  I will never know how ANYONE can be allowed an assult weapon.  Especially, since the father was an ex-gang member. 



 



Quoting DawnPratt23:



I had always known that name to be of Hispanic origin, since it is a popular name in NM and Mexico. Was most likely brought over by Cortes long ago, and considering the strong Catholic background of the area, not shocking that it would be Hebrew. The actual pronunciation is Nehemias.  



New Mexico is far from Fundies, nor is that area rural. I was only trying to enlighten her to facts, and how far off the profiling was. Since I am from there and still have strong ties to the area. Wasn't sure were she got 10 kids, and rural area? Now if she was talking about Colorado City, AZ- yes, she would be right on. 



 



The first mistake was allowing a former gang member guns, second mistake was having guns on a property that has a halfway house on it. 



Quoting survivorinohio:



Nehemiah is a hebrew name.  Many fundies are into guns and naming their kids hebrew names.



Much of what she said is good profiling IMO.  Its hypothesis and opinion, not fact or assumption. At least thats how I read it.  I was thinking a lot of the same having been raised by a similar fashion, all the fear and harsh punishment I mean.



We will see if it pans out to be this or not.  Something definitely went wrong somewhere.









Quoting DawnPratt23:

What??? Really where do you get your info? There were 4 kids, Albuquerque is not a rural area, the names are Hispanic, he was a former gang member turned pastor for the police. And the guns were in the closet. Read the link I posted on the other page, from the City it happened in. I'm from there, and laughing at what you assume.



Quoting MaySheWillStay:



I can't pass judgement on what should happen to him until I know the whole story. The more I read about it, the more convinced I become that something very, very weird was going on in that family.



10 kids, pastor daddy, lot of the kids had crazy names that are only really heard amongst fundamentalists, kids were homeschooled, rural area, guns everywhere... they sound less the loving family and more the lunatic fringe.



If they are indeed fundie as I suspect they are, their child-raising methods probably include a lot of heavy-handed bible-thumping, corporal punishment and fear of the parents, lots of fear in general, lots of paranoia about government/outsiders/culture wars/persecution, among other gems this culture produces. Naturally not all fundamentalists are like this, but a good majority of them are, particularly the isolationist kinds.



 



I find it interesting he killed the siblings (those that were there at the time). It's so uncommon for youth to murder siblings. The motivations for killing parents and the motivations for killing siblings are usually completely different. Especially with such young siblings. I've read bits and pieces on it over the years, from what I remember, youth who murder parents usually do so out of rage, revenge or personal gain. Youth who murder siblings, especially child siblings, tend to do so in a twisted kind of mercy killing, to spare them from harm or further trauma.



Of course he could just have been completely insane or an "evil" person... but I think that's an all-too-easy answer we get and buy into all too often, because it's more comfortable to think of someone as insane or evil than to consider the possibility that good, relatively normal people can be driven to such extremes absent insanity or evil, by the conditions around them.









 



 


My niece, who lives there and knows the family, although she knew mom longer, has not mentioned 10 children.  Or that she has heard there are 10 children.  Who knows.

Have you heard that the Uncle may not have been as knowing and close to the family as he is letting on...........or how the media is spinning it?



 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM


Quoting Naturewoman4:

That's horrible of the Uncle to go on Dr. Drew do all that bitching about false info., yet he doesn't help the teen out with his defense.  I thought it was true that the teen, loaded up some guns & drove off.  Wanting to shoot at Wal-mart shoppers & then have a shotout with police.  Instead he went to church. 

I certainly wouldn't want to live in NM, to be honest.  It's bad enough in Calif.  What burns me up, is when people have so many kids, & yet the taxpayers have to end up paying for them.

I wonder....just wondering....I read where his dad lost his job??  From everything I read about the father, even though I know he was doing a lot of good too!  But, it doesn't seem like he had enough time to care for the kids he had.  To spend time with his 4 kids.  (4 that was living at home).  How could he when he was a Pastor, ran a halfway house & did so much volunteer work.  Perhaps, the teen saw the living condition he & the other siblings were living under.  Idk.  Boys at the age need their fathers so much!  Perhaps, he had a lot of resentments as well. 

Quoting DawnPratt23:







Has it been reported that this family was on any type of public assistance and that any one other than the parents were providing for these 10 children?


Naturewoman4
by Platinum Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Interesting post MaySheWillStay.  I always wondered too if the case with the Menendez brothers were true or not.  The abuse.  I always wondered how/why a older child, would not run away or tell something.  The brothers were older at the time of the killings.  

I think the teen wanted to go to Wal-Mart, to have a shootout with the police, so he would be killed.  I am listening & reading anything I can on this case.  I never understood the mind of someone that kills their family & like what happen in Conn.  All the very young children.  Do they feel that they are better off dead & not being in this World anymore?  Or is it they are just so angry at the World?  Like when we hear a father, losing his job & killing his whole family. 


Quoting MaySheWillStay:

The walmart part really bugs me too. I'm not sure where that would fit in. I guess it would depend on which murder was the priority - his family, or walmart. Like with the Newtown shooting, it seems the school was the primary target and the shooting of the mother was kind of an afterthought, even though he killed her first.

It's all just speculation, even if someone does find out, the media will probably just stick with their usual story - insane person goes apeshit, no rhyme or reason, and kills completely innocent people in senseless tragedy. The same way they went to great lengths back in the early 90s to tell the same story about the Menendez brothers (the two young men who conspired to kill their parents). The media presented it as two spoiled rich kids who just got up one day and decided to whack their parents for the money. So did the prosecuting attorneys. But what the media conveniently left out or downplayed was the testimony from both brothers AND numerous other sources that sexual, physical and emotional abuse was the daily reality for them. What's more likely: two complete sociopaths growing up in the same house AND being bent on murder AND agreeing to do it together (cooperation is not exactly a quality most sociopaths posess) to their own completely lovely, innocent, senselessly-slain parents... or two kids driven to the absolute extreme of human behavior after suffering years of abuse? Who knows what the truth is, we'll never know now, but my money is on the latter.


If the family was the primary target, then I'd say the walmart plan is less important. Perhaps knowing he would be caught, he planned to just take down whoever he could, out of sheer anger at the world? I don't know.

But if Walmart was the primary target, I'd venture a guess that he killed the family to get them out of the way or spare them from having to live with the consequences of his actions. Mass shooters, as he'd be classified if he'd shot up walmart and that was his primary focus, are often paranoid, feel as though they're outside or above the rest of the world, feel as if it's some kind of mission for them to kill, and have a very warped view of the world as a hostile and threatening place.

Much of that also can also be a by-product of the way he may have been raised, if his parents were indeed fundamentalists. The paranoia, hostile view of the outside world, the fear, the anger and feelings of persecution or threat from "outsiders" are all very common mentalities in religious fundamentalism, as well as other forms of social dysfunction. Combine that with untreated mental illness or even a relatively normal person pushed to breaking point by some unknown factor (abuse, social rejection, terror), and that's a recipe for a mass shooting in and of itself. Perhaps walmart was the easiest location for him to "take a stand" and carry out whatever he thought he needed to.

Again, all just speculation. But it's an alternative to the usual "insane person killed family or shot up a public place for absolutely no reason" story.


I've been googling around trying to find a listing on the church, but so far, nothing. From what I can tell, there are multiple Calvary Churches in the area, but the two that have listings don't say anything about a pastor named Griego, and I crawled them with the Wayback Machine to see if they'd merely edited him out in the wake of the shooting, but nothing's turning up. The one the media seems to list is a megachurch with a bunch of pastors, but again, none named Griego.


Quoting Naturewoman4:

Thank-You for your post.  Very interesting!  Does anyone know what type of Church it was the family attended?  We hear about teens killing their parents, but siblings?  I agree, that really got to me.  But, your post gave 1 possibility of why that could be.  But, how would that explain wanting to go to Wal-Mart to shoot at shoppers? 

 

Quoting MaySheWillStay:

I can't pass judgement on what should happen to him until I know the whole story. The more I read about it, the more convinced I become that something very, very weird was going on in that family.

10 kids, pastor daddy, lot of the kids had crazy names that are only really heard amongst fundamentalists, kids were homeschooled, rural area, guns everywhere... they sound less the loving family and more the lunatic fringe.

If they are indeed fundie as I suspect they are, their child-raising methods probably include a lot of heavy-handed bible-thumping, corporal punishment and fear of the parents, lots of fear in general, lots of paranoia about government/outsiders/culture wars/persecution, among other gems this culture produces. Naturally not all fundamentalists are like this, but a good majority of them are, particularly the isolationist kinds.

 

I find it interesting he killed the siblings (those that were there at the time). It's so uncommon for youth to murder siblings. The motivations for killing parents and the motivations for killing siblings are usually completely different. Especially with such young siblings. I've read bits and pieces on it over the years, from what I remember, youth who murder parents usually do so out of rage, revenge or personal gain. Youth who murder siblings, especially child siblings, tend to do so in a twisted kind of mercy killing, to spare them from harm or further trauma.

Of course he could just have been completely insane or an "evil" person... but I think that's an all-too-easy answer we get and buy into all too often, because it's more comfortable to think of someone as insane or evil than to consider the possibility that good, relatively normal people can be driven to such extremes absent insanity or evil, by the conditions around them.

 

 



 

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