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Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?

Posted by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM
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by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:22 AM


Hopefully the answer would be a glaring no. But if there are people saying that if weapon regulations are put out they would gladly revert back to a civil war/fight for their freedom-This is a question that needs to be asked.

candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:23 AM


candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:27 AM

wow   

smh

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Hopefully the answer would be a glaring no. But if there are people saying that if weapon regulations are put out they would gladly revert back to a civil war/fight for their freedom-This is a question that needs to be asked.


katy_kay08
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 9:35 AM
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Do you have any other sources beyond a youtube "journalist" that ran Ron Paul's PAC and is accused of diverting most of the funds raised towards private expenses?  

candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM

I posted a second video

Quoting katy_kay08:

Do you have any other sources beyond a youtube "journalist" that ran Ron Paul's PAC and is accused of diverting most of the funds raised towards private expenses?  


meriana
by Gold Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:05 AM
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American citizens have already been fired upon by Gov. entities. Kent State in 1970 involved the National Guard and then there's Ruby Ridge and Waco.

 

Imacakebaker
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:12 AM
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 So its ok to for our own troops to attack us if the President signs an executive order to ban guns, and people protest?  Good to know.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Hopefully the answer would be a glaring no. But if there are people saying that if weapon regulations are put out they would gladly revert back to a civil war/fight for their freedom-This is a question that needs to be asked.

 

AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:18 AM
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Um, it's always been ok for the president to order the firing upon of American citizens. Some presidents and many governors have ordered the killing of civilians by the military in an attempt to maintain order/the status quo. Look back at all if those killed for trying to unionize and those weren't only private Pinkerton men doing the killing but the US army and guardsmen at different times.
We like to think our soldiers will rebel if asked to do something like that or to hurt the defenseless but war is hell and they are soldiers. Being right doesn't deflect bullets and being an American doesn't insulate soldiers from bad orders.
I would just like to see a real transcript so I could see the context.
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lizzielouaf
by Gold Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM
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When one enlists in the United States Military, active duty or reserve, they take the following oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

DSamuels
by Gold Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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That was the national guard that fired on Kent State. The national guard can be used in tithe US, the regular armed forces cannot be used against US citizens without a declaration from the president AND approved by congress.


The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. ยง 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the State laws. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the United States Armed Forces from exercising Law enforcement agency powers within a State, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it requires that any authority to do so must exist within the United States Constitution or Act of Congress (which it currently does not except under the Insurrection Act).{Federalist 29 (Hamilton, 1788)} Any use of the Armed Forces under either Title 10/Active Duty or Title 10/Reserves at the direction of the President will offend the Constitutional Law also known as Public Law prohibiting such action unless declared by the President of the United States and approved by Congress. Any infringement will be problematic for political and legal reasons.

The Bill/Act as modified in 1981 refers to the Armed Forces of the United States. It does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The U.S. Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act, primarily because the Coast Guard has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.


Quoting meriana:

American citizens have already been fired upon by Gov. entities. Kent State in 1970 involved the National Guard and then there's Ruby Ridge and Waco.


 

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