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Pro-life women should pray that abortion remains legal. Instead of being a hero for choosing life women will be called sluts if abortion is outlawed.

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Pro-life women should pray that abortion remains legal. If you have an out of wedlock birth today you are a hero for "choosing life" but if abortion is outlawed it is again the 1950s and you have turned into "a slut."

Recently there has been discussion about "the continuing rise in out-of-wedlock birth rates [being] an unintended consequence of the pro-life movement’s modest success at stigmatizing abortion."

We discussed that here in this thread:

Does Abortion Lead to More Stable Marriages? Did the Pro-Life Movement Lead to More Single Moms? A legacy conservatives have not grappled with.

What I would like to discuss now is this comment which was made in response to the following article in the New York Times:

The Bristol Palin Effect vs. The Roe Effect

Every single mother in the red states should pray that abortion remains legal. Right now, you are a hero who has "chosen life." the minute the right is able to outlaw abortion, you are back in the 1950s where I grew up and you have turned into "a slut" and that innocent baby the anti-abortion now defies becomes your "little bastard, " excluded from any decent home. No one had any problem treating an unwed mother and her child like dirt in the 1950s. This attitude will quickly return, as all the right wing comments indicate it is only shallowly submerged. As for the idea male irresponsibility is encouraged by the availability of abortion, my grandmother always warned me in the 1950s,"a boy can go home and put on a clean shirt and be welcomed into everyone's home even if they know wht he has done, but everyone will spit on you and your baby."So by all means, let's outlaw abortion and go back to the 1950s and all those wnderful two parent families and women hating attitudes. Just be prepared for your daughters to pay the price. Oh, that's right, right,"good girls" won't get pregnant before marriage. And if they do, it means they were "sluts" all along. Are you listening,all you Bristol Palins. I doubt it. When you boil it down, anti-abortionists basically are people who are afraid that somewhere in the world there is a woman who is having sex who is not being "punished" for it by becoming pregnant. What a wonderful, life affirming philosophy-- as long as you are a man, Ross.

by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM
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JTROX
by Gold Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM
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Well, I don't remember that.  I grew up as a child of a single parent in the 70s, but I was not excluded from any decent home.  I was in the minority of children though I grew up with.  Most children had 2 parents.

So do you think if abortion is made illegal children will be "excluded from any decent home?"  And if so what does that mean to you.  It still sounds silly to me.  Will some people be against single moms? Sure, the ones who already are.

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting JTROX:

The country won't revert back to the 50's if abortion is outlawed.  There are people who think single moms are sluts now, and abortion is legal.   Individual attitudes will not change.

It says "exluded from any decent home."  Really?  That's silly.

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting JTROX:

That's silly.

Why?


Maybe you are too young to remember or to have any close relatives who remember when life was really like this.

It says "exluded from any decent home."  Really?  That's silly.


Healthystart30
by Silver Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM
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You see it here on CM all the time! In one thread the anti-choicers are crying about murders and in the next shaming mothers for being single and/or receiving PA!
quickbooksworm
by Silver Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM
As a single mom, I can say that I can be treated pretty badly at times. Because I changed my name back to my maiden name and my sons father is an absent loser, people assume I had a one night stand or don't know who the father is. I can't imagine how it is for women who have actually lived those situations.


Quoting JTROX:

The country won't revert back to the 50's if abortion is outlawed.  There are people who think single moms are sluts now, and abortion is legal.   Individual attitudes will not change.

It says "exluded from any decent home."  Really?  That's silly.

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting JTROX:

That's silly.

Why?



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Lizard_Lina
by Silver Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:06 PM
You do know that roe vs wade is not what made abortion legal right? That in fact that has nothing to do with the legalization of abortion?


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting mlg1989:

People will be judged regardless. No matter what. Humans will always degrade other.

I see the point though

Outlawing abortion will cause the choice of becoming an unwed mother to be untenable just as it was before Roe vs. Wade.   Single mothers will be shamed much more harshly than anything anyone experiences today.


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created4apurpos
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:07 PM
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if we stop degrading ourselves and pretending porn is ok then maybe men will start learning to keep it in their pants.  yes women are stigmatized and called sluts and men are patted on the back, how about when standing up for women's right and equality we start stigmatizing the men and have a little respect for ourselves instead of taking innocent lives to avoid being called sluts.  you wanna keep us from returning to the 1950's then change the attitude towards men.  porn is rampant, women dress like hookers and talk like the worst of sailors, we put babies in bikinis, watch shows where littles girls are put in more makeup than lady gaga and then blame the attitude of pro-lifers?  sorry but your argument holds no water for me

JTROX
by Gold Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Yes, that's kind of my point.  This happens and abortion is illegal.

Quoting quickbooksworm:

As a single mom, I can say that I can be treated pretty badly at times. Because I changed my name back to my maiden name and my sons father is an absent loser, people assume I had a one night stand or don't know who the father is. I can't imagine how it is for women who have actually lived those situations.


Quoting JTROX:

The country won't revert back to the 50's if abortion is outlawed.  There are people who think single moms are sluts now, and abortion is legal.   Individual attitudes will not change.

It says "exluded from any decent home."  Really?  That's silly.

Quoting futureshock:


Quoting JTROX:

That's silly.

Why?




Ms.KitKat
by Platinum Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:11 PM

 I wonder how this may impact rates of adoption. Without the abortion option- will more women then be coerced to choose adoption?

chloedee
by Bronze Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM
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How about we allow every woman to express her sexuality the way she chooses and make choices about her own body without being judgemental about it?


Quoting created4apurpos:

if we stop degrading ourselves and pretending porn is ok then maybe men will start learning to keep it in their pants.  yes women are stigmatized and called sluts and men are patted on the back, how about when standing up for women's right and equality we start stigmatizing the men and have a little respect for ourselves instead of taking innocent lives to avoid being called sluts.  you wanna keep us from returning to the 1950's then change the attitude towards men.  porn is rampant, women dress like hookers and talk like the worst of sailors, we put babies in bikinis, watch shows where littles girls are put in more makeup than lady gaga and then blame the attitude of pro-lifers?  sorry but your argument holds no water for me


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AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM
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I, too, was overwhelmed. I read the last bit a few times and shook my head to make it go away.

Alas, there it was. The real reason for abortion, of course, is money squeezing from the poorest elements of society to feed a multinational death machine of cash, encouraging sex for the inevitable abortion, and satan. Probably rock and roll or even that wacky rap music too.


Quoting futureshock:


Quoting LavenderMom23:

What about adoption, you act like adoption is not available. Some women hide pregnancies, then give birth, the child directly goes to a new family bc most adoptive parents want a baby, and the woman returns to her life. You know often women who become pregnant after being raped, then report two traumas: the first is the rape, the second is the abortion. 1/3 of my generation is missing! gone! I highly doubt anyone is going back to 1950 that sounds like a scare tatic. What causes behavior is multidementional, it is never anyone thing. I think you are trying to do what you belive is right, but I would ask that you get away from fear mongering. The pro-choice movement is about only one choice, the right to choose abortion and keep the money rolling, and not to keep a child. It closes doors on women who are pro-life. And for what? Money.

Wow.  There is so much wrong with this comment I don't even know where to begin.

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created4apurpos
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM

for the record, I'm pro-life but I also understand there are MANY reasons someone may end up as a single mother.  my neice was a mother at 17 and I saw her work hard to do what she had to do for her baby.  she finished high school and is now married with another child.  I don't approve of how she became a mother but I admire her for not giving up.  I don't consider her a slut, I consider her a product of what society has become.  a slut is someone who sleeps with anyone and everyone and doesn't care, not someone who sleeps with their boyfriend.  lifestyles need to change.  even if abortion remains legal people need to think about STDs, some of which can even get through a condom.  and if lifestyles change, abortions won't be as necessary

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