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Pro-life women should pray that abortion remains legal. Instead of being a hero for choosing life women will be called sluts if abortion is outlawed.

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Pro-life women should pray that abortion remains legal. If you have an out of wedlock birth today you are a hero for "choosing life" but if abortion is outlawed it is again the 1950s and you have turned into "a slut."

Recently there has been discussion about "the continuing rise in out-of-wedlock birth rates [being] an unintended consequence of the pro-life movement’s modest success at stigmatizing abortion."

We discussed that here in this thread:

Does Abortion Lead to More Stable Marriages? Did the Pro-Life Movement Lead to More Single Moms? A legacy conservatives have not grappled with.

What I would like to discuss now is this comment which was made in response to the following article in the New York Times:

The Bristol Palin Effect vs. The Roe Effect

Every single mother in the red states should pray that abortion remains legal. Right now, you are a hero who has "chosen life." the minute the right is able to outlaw abortion, you are back in the 1950s where I grew up and you have turned into "a slut" and that innocent baby the anti-abortion now defies becomes your "little bastard, " excluded from any decent home. No one had any problem treating an unwed mother and her child like dirt in the 1950s. This attitude will quickly return, as all the right wing comments indicate it is only shallowly submerged. As for the idea male irresponsibility is encouraged by the availability of abortion, my grandmother always warned me in the 1950s,"a boy can go home and put on a clean shirt and be welcomed into everyone's home even if they know wht he has done, but everyone will spit on you and your baby."So by all means, let's outlaw abortion and go back to the 1950s and all those wnderful two parent families and women hating attitudes. Just be prepared for your daughters to pay the price. Oh, that's right, right,"good girls" won't get pregnant before marriage. And if they do, it means they were "sluts" all along. Are you listening,all you Bristol Palins. I doubt it. When you boil it down, anti-abortionists basically are people who are afraid that somewhere in the world there is a woman who is having sex who is not being "punished" for it by becoming pregnant. What a wonderful, life affirming philosophy-- as long as you are a man, Ross.

by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM
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created4apurpos
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:25 PM
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except its not her own body she's making a choice for when she chooses abortion, its the body of the child within her.  a seperate body, a seperate life.  I wasn't more than 6 weeks pregnant when I first heard my daughter's heartbeat.  can you say thats not a life?

Quoting chloedee:

How about we allow every woman to express her sexuality the way she chooses and make choices about her own body without being judgemental about it?


Quoting created4apurpos:

if we stop degrading ourselves and pretending porn is ok then maybe men will start learning to keep it in their pants.  yes women are stigmatized and called sluts and men are patted on the back, how about when standing up for women's right and equality we start stigmatizing the men and have a little respect for ourselves instead of taking innocent lives to avoid being called sluts.  you wanna keep us from returning to the 1950's then change the attitude towards men.  porn is rampant, women dress like hookers and talk like the worst of sailors, we put babies in bikinis, watch shows where littles girls are put in more makeup than lady gaga and then blame the attitude of pro-lifers?  sorry but your argument holds no water for me



Robin - mom of 1 special little girl, wife to Tim

Philippans 4:8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 

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ashellbell
by shellbark on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:29 PM
**sigh**


Quoting LavenderMom23:

What about adoption, you act like adoption is not available. Some women hide pregnancies, then give birth, the child directly goes to a new family bc most adoptive parents want a baby, and the woman returns to her life. You know often women who become pregnant after being raped, then report two traumas: the first is the rape, the second is the abortion. 1/3 of my generation is missing! gone! I highly doubt anyone is going back to 1950 that sounds like a scare tatic. What causes behavior is multidementional, it is never anyone thing. I think you are trying to do what you belive is right, but I would ask that you get away from fear mongering. The pro-choice movement is about only one choice, the right to choose abortion and keep the money rolling, and not to keep a child. It closes doors on women who are pro-life. And for what? Money.


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chloedee
by Bronze Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:31 PM
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It's very much a decision about her body and her health when she decides to have an abortion. The fetus depends on her entirely for survival; two entities can't have equal rights over one body, so she gets to decide. I don't think she deserves to be called a slut for that, or for giving birth, or for having sex, or for how she speaks, dresses or conducts her relationships.


Quoting created4apurpos:

except its not her own body she's making a choice for when she chooses abortion, its the body of the child within her.  a seperate body, a seperate life.  I wasn't more than 6 weeks pregnant when I first heard my daughter's heartbeat.  can you say thats not a life?

Quoting chloedee:

How about we allow every woman to express her sexuality the way she chooses and make choices about her own body without being judgemental about it?





Quoting created4apurpos:

if we stop degrading ourselves and pretending porn is ok then maybe men will start learning to keep it in their pants.  yes women are stigmatized and called sluts and men are patted on the back, how about when standing up for women's right and equality we start stigmatizing the men and have a little respect for ourselves instead of taking innocent lives to avoid being called sluts.  you wanna keep us from returning to the 1950's then change the attitude towards men.  porn is rampant, women dress like hookers and talk like the worst of sailors, we put babies in bikinis, watch shows where littles girls are put in more makeup than lady gaga and then blame the attitude of pro-lifers?  sorry but your argument holds no water for me





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GLWerth
by Gina on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:31 PM
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They do indeed celebrate "choosing life", until the life actually comes into the world, then it's "Ya shoulda kept yer legs closed, slut!".

They get to have it both ways...go after women who have abortions for being "murderers" and then, go after women who continue pregnancies for being "irresponsible" and "having kids they can't afford"! Not to mention the constant bitching and moaning about women on assistance of any kind.

It's a total win/win for the more judgemental among us!

Quoting JakeandEmmasMom:

I believe this article is true, but I don't think they care. They already feel this way. Right now they just "celebrate choosing life" because they don't want to appear hypocritical.


 

motherslove82
by Silver Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM
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These things are so stupid. It is not going to turn women into slaves and sluts to tell them that if they give a baby life, they have to let them keep it. People like to pretend that if abortion is made legal, darkness will cover the earth and we will no longer have electric lights and running water. It's all over dramatic scare tactics.
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GLWerth
by Gina on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM

No, darkness will not cover the earth, but we will have a lot more young women dead from back alley and self-induced abortions.

Do you find that a desirable outcome?

Quoting motherslove82:

These things are so stupid. It is not going to turn women into slaves and flits to tell them that if they give a baby life, they have to let them keep it. People like to pretend that if abortion is made legal, darkness will cover the earth and we will no longer have electric lights and running water. It's all over dramatic scare tactics.


 

Stephanie329
by Platinum Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM
I'm pro-choice, however, this article is pretty out there. Women are already called sluts. Outlawing abortion isn't going to have an effect on that either way.
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created4apurpos
by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:46 PM
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ok and what about the health affects the abortion could have on her body that she is never informed of because the clinics are afriad she'll change her mind?  shouldn't it be a FULLY INFORMED decision?  because usually it isn't.  if it was then only the most desperate of cases would still go through with it.  fully informed includes ultrasound by the way.  I've know women who have regretted abortion and suffered major depression because of it.  how many are told that its just a mass of tissues and not a living being?  and I happen to think women should pay attention to how they dress and how they speak because we deserve respect but we've lost alot of that which we have fought so hard for because of how we have chosen to dress and speak.  doesn't make a woman a slut, just means that those who dress and speak that way have sunk the to level of the lowest man.  when women's lib fought for equality I don't think that's what they were fighting for.  I think the suffragettes are rolling in their graves.

Quoting chloedee:

It's very much a decision about her body and her health when she decides to have an abortion. The fetus depends on her entirely for survival; two entities can't have equal rights over one body, so she gets to decide. I don't think she deserves to be called a slut for that, or for giving birth, or for having sex, or for how she speaks, dresses or conducts her relationships.


Quoting created4apurpos:

except its not her own body she's making a choice for when she chooses abortion, its the body of the child within her.  a seperate body, a seperate life.  I wasn't more than 6 weeks pregnant when I first heard my daughter's heartbeat.  can you say thats not a life?

Quoting chloedee:

How about we allow every woman to express her sexuality the way she chooses and make choices about her own body without being judgemental about it?





Quoting created4apurpos:

if we stop degrading ourselves and pretending porn is ok then maybe men will start learning to keep it in their pants.  yes women are stigmatized and called sluts and men are patted on the back, how about when standing up for women's right and equality we start stigmatizing the men and have a little respect for ourselves instead of taking innocent lives to avoid being called sluts.  you wanna keep us from returning to the 1950's then change the attitude towards men.  porn is rampant, women dress like hookers and talk like the worst of sailors, we put babies in bikinis, watch shows where littles girls are put in more makeup than lady gaga and then blame the attitude of pro-lifers?  sorry but your argument holds no water for me






Robin - mom of 1 special little girl, wife to Tim

Philippans 4:8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 

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motherslove82
by Silver Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:48 PM
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Of course not, but I also don't like allies that are full of dead babies.

Quoting GLWerth:

No, darkness will not cover the earth, but we will have a lot more young women dead from back alley and self-induced abortions.


Do you find that a desirable outcome?


Quoting motherslove82:

These things are so stupid. It is not going to turn women into slaves and flits to tell them that if they give a baby life, they have to let them keep it. People like to pretend that if abortion is made legal, darkness will cover the earth and we will no longer have electric lights and running water. It's all over dramatic scare tactics.



 

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SweetChild63
by Member on Jan. 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM
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HORSESHIT! Abortion is a helluva lot cheeper than giving birth. And safer too.

Further, I have NEVER EVER heard a woman regret an abortion, rather raped or not. And to suggest a woman reduce herself to breeding stock is absolutely inhumane!!!

And if a childless couple REALLY wants a kid, they can adopt a few of thousands of children who needs homes NOW!!!.

Quoting LavenderMom23:

What about adoption, you act like adoption is not available. Some women hide pregnancies, then give birth, the child directly goes to a new family bc most adoptive parents want a baby, and the woman returns to her life. You know often women who become pregnant after being raped, then report two traumas: the first is the rape, the second is the abortion. 1/3 of my generation is missing! gone! I highly doubt anyone is going back to 1950 that sounds like a scare tatic. What causes behavior is multidementional, it is never anyone thing. I think you are trying to do what you belive is right, but I would ask that you get away from fear mongering. The pro-choice movement is about only one choice, the right to choose abortion and keep the money rolling, and not to keep a child. It closes doors on women who are pro-life. And for what? Money.



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