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‘I Need You in the Game’: Wis. Sheriff Tells Residents to Learn How to Use a Gun to Defend Themselves

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‘I Need You in the Game’: Wis. Sheriff Tells Residents to Learn How to Use a Gun to Defend Themselves

I Need You in the Game: Wis. Sheriff Tells Residents to Learn How to Use a Gun to Defend Themselves

n this Oct. 11, 2012 file photo, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke talks during a budget hearing in Milwaukee, Wis. The Wisconsin sheriff said he released an ad calling on residents to defend themselves because the old model of having a citizen call 911 and wait for help isn’t always the best option. (AP)

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. has a message for residents: learn how to use a gun.

With budget cutbacks putting a strain on law enforcement, simply calling 911 might not cut it in a life-or-death or situation, Clarke said in a new radio ad this month. Safety is “no longer a spectator sport,” he says. “I need you in the game.”

“With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option,” Clark adds. “You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared?”


“Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there. You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We’re partners now. Can I count on you?” he asks.

The spot has quickly earned criticism, including from the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs’ Association and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett.

Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs’ Association president Roy Felber told the Associated Press it sounds like a call to vigilantism, while Barrett’s spokeswoman said it sounded like Clarke was “auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie.”


But Clarke told the AP he simply wants people to know what their options are in protecting themselves.

“I’m not telling you to `Hey, pick up a gun and blast away,’” he said. “People need to know what they are doing if they chose that method – to defend themselves.”

He said self-defense may not be for everyone, but that people who want to know how should be trained properly. After budget cuts forced him to lay off 48 deputies last year, he realized he had an “untapped reserve” — the public.

“People are responsible to play a role in their own safety, with the help of law enforcement,” Clarke said. “I’m here to do my part, but we have fewer and fewer resources. We’re not omnipresent, and we have to stop giving people that impression.”

James Fendry, director of the Wisconsin Pro Gun Movement, praised the ad, telling Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “It’s never been a great option (calling 911). Unless you can take care of yourself, you’re kind of SOL.”

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by on Jan. 26, 2013 at 10:02 PM
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candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:14 PM
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Considering most of them are family members, I don't have to worry about it.  I am not missing what you are saying.   I think we should have limited amount of law enforcement and military and the citizens should be doing more to learn to protect themselves.  The old days weren't all that bad, they had volunteer fire departments and the citizens were trained on fire fighting, etc.  The teachers were paid by the local communities, not the government and were accountable to the parents.    Now they barely listen to the parents.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

It shouldn't be up to the police to have to protect us.   What did people do before they had police.    If you are counting on a policeman protecting you and it takes them how many minutes to get there, how are they going to do anything.

I personally don't carry a gun and probably wouldn't shoot one unless I absolutely had to but it is nice to know the people around me can and are trained to do so.  I would prefer armed citizens to protect me over having to come up with all the extra money we would have to continue to pay for many of these police departments that have already bankrupted their towns and cities.  Entitlements just don't go on forever.  Eventually people run out of money to keep on paying for them and that is what is happening here.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.


You are missing what I am saying.

Should we do away with all law enforcement, all military?  We can just take up arms and every one protect themselves.  Lets head on back in time.

And there is it..............................entitlements.

You better start praying now that all those people around you, who are armed, are indeed going to protect you versus otherwise.  


AMBG825
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:24 PM

 Well again, it's happened too many times to count that when a city loses its police department or has to dramatically cut back in law enforcement, that crimes go up. Particularly home invasions. It happened in Detroit. It happend in Newark. It happened in Sacramento and Oakland. If there aren't police to call what should people do?

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.

 






 

candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:27 PM

They need to do what they used to do and come together as communities and get block watches going again.  If more people were armed and trained to shoot, that would help quite a bit.  

Having signs saying gun free zones is just asking for criminals to come in.

Quoting AMBG825:

 Well again, it's happened too many times to count that when a city loses its police department or has to dramatically cut back in law enforcement, that crimes go up. Particularly home invasions. It happened in Detroit. It happend in Newark. It happened in Sacramento and Oakland. If there aren't police to call what should people do?

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.

 


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM


Quoting candlegal:

Considering most of them are family members, I don't have to worry about it.  I am not missing what you are saying.   I think we should have limited amount of law enforcement and military and the citizens should be doing more to learn to protect themselves.  The old days weren't all that bad, they had volunteer fire departments and the citizens were trained on fire fighting, etc.  The teachers were paid by the local communities, not the government and were accountable to the parents.    Now they barely listen to the parents.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

It shouldn't be up to the police to have to protect us.   What did people do before they had police.    If you are counting on a policeman protecting you and it takes them how many minutes to get there, how are they going to do anything.

I personally don't carry a gun and probably wouldn't shoot one unless I absolutely had to but it is nice to know the people around me can and are trained to do so.  I would prefer armed citizens to protect me over having to come up with all the extra money we would have to continue to pay for many of these police departments that have already bankrupted their towns and cities.  Entitlements just don't go on forever.  Eventually people run out of money to keep on paying for them and that is what is happening here.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.


You are missing what I am saying.

Should we do away with all law enforcement, all military?  We can just take up arms and every one protect themselves.  Lets head on back in time.

And there is it..............................entitlements.

You better start praying now that all those people around you, who are armed, are indeed going to protect you versus otherwise.  


I don't agree on limited law enforcement or military.  We can just agree to disagree on that aspect. 

We still have voluntary fire departments.  At least where I live.  Actually, many small communities in this area rely on them.  I admire any one and every one who gives up their time to do so.  Many are not capable, physically or otherwise, myself included.  I can admit I am most certainly not the type to be able to help in that aspect but I do help with coordination of events.  You don't want me trying to put out a fire.  I think if more people could afford to volunteer their time they would.  But because I don't know their individual circumstances, I can't judge them one way or the other.

I will agree that some teachers do indeed have a hell of a time listening to the parents and instead, they listen to what they are told to do.  I agree that I feel schools should be funded by the communities more.  In more ways than just the financial aspect.  

We are all responsible for ourselves.  But if we relinquish our safety completely over to each other, those who think they can defend will only cause more harm.  I get that it is not easy to trust some one simply because they wear a badge.  But nor should it be so easy to trust some one simply because they carry a gun.  

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM


Quoting candlegal:

They need to do what they used to do and come together as communities and get block watches going again.  If more people were armed and trained to shoot, that would help quite a bit.  

Having signs saying gun free zones is just asking for criminals to come in.

Quoting AMBG825:

 Well again, it's happened too many times to count that when a city loses its police department or has to dramatically cut back in law enforcement, that crimes go up. Particularly home invasions. It happened in Detroit. It happend in Newark. It happened in Sacramento and Oakland. If there aren't police to call what should people do?

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.

 


I guess my issue falls on to the people who are taking part in these community watch programs and such.  Not all, of course.  Maybe not even the majority.  There just seems to be such a rush to protect when, in reality, people are so damn trigger happy they don't stop to think, use common sense or otherwise, and we end up hurting each other more than helping.

Far too many people are losing their minds out there these days, if even temporary, and claiming they are able to protect and serve without any training, just going on their own attitudes.  

There is no easy answer but I don't know that having every single person armed and ready to go is the answer.

candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:36 PM

If we didn't waste so much of the taxpayers money we wouldn't have problems funding police and fire departments as well as the military.   We really need to prioritize where our money goes.  


I am actually impressed, we seem to agree on more of this than I thought we would   :)

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

Considering most of them are family members, I don't have to worry about it.  I am not missing what you are saying.   I think we should have limited amount of law enforcement and military and the citizens should be doing more to learn to protect themselves.  The old days weren't all that bad, they had volunteer fire departments and the citizens were trained on fire fighting, etc.  The teachers were paid by the local communities, not the government and were accountable to the parents.    Now they barely listen to the parents.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

It shouldn't be up to the police to have to protect us.   What did people do before they had police.    If you are counting on a policeman protecting you and it takes them how many minutes to get there, how are they going to do anything.

I personally don't carry a gun and probably wouldn't shoot one unless I absolutely had to but it is nice to know the people around me can and are trained to do so.  I would prefer armed citizens to protect me over having to come up with all the extra money we would have to continue to pay for many of these police departments that have already bankrupted their towns and cities.  Entitlements just don't go on forever.  Eventually people run out of money to keep on paying for them and that is what is happening here.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.


You are missing what I am saying.

Should we do away with all law enforcement, all military?  We can just take up arms and every one protect themselves.  Lets head on back in time.

And there is it..............................entitlements.

You better start praying now that all those people around you, who are armed, are indeed going to protect you versus otherwise.  


I don't agree on limited law enforcement or military.  We can just agree to disagree on that aspect. 

We still have voluntary fire departments.  At least where I live.  Actually, many small communities in this area rely on them.  I admire any one and every one who gives up their time to do so.  Many are not capable, physically or otherwise, myself included.  I can admit I am most certainly not the type to be able to help in that aspect but I do help with coordination of events.  You don't want me trying to put out a fire.  I think if more people could afford to volunteer their time they would.  But because I don't know their individual circumstances, I can't judge them one way or the other.

I will agree that some teachers do indeed have a hell of a time listening to the parents and instead, they listen to what they are told to do.  I agree that I feel schools should be funded by the communities more.  In more ways than just the financial aspect.  

We are all responsible for ourselves.  But if we relinquish our safety completely over to each other, those who think they can defend will only cause more harm.  I get that it is not easy to trust some one simply because they wear a badge.  But nor should it be so easy to trust some one simply because they carry a gun.  


candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM

I think they should be required to get training and I don't by any means think all people should be armed.  Besides the George Zimmerman case, how many of these block watch programs have gone bad?    This isn't something we have a problem with on a weekly basis or even a monthly or yearly basis.   For the most part, this is still a good program.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

They need to do what they used to do and come together as communities and get block watches going again.  If more people were armed and trained to shoot, that would help quite a bit.  

Having signs saying gun free zones is just asking for criminals to come in.

Quoting AMBG825:

 Well again, it's happened too many times to count that when a city loses its police department or has to dramatically cut back in law enforcement, that crimes go up. Particularly home invasions. It happened in Detroit. It happend in Newark. It happened in Sacramento and Oakland. If there aren't police to call what should people do?

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.

 


I guess my issue falls on to the people who are taking part in these community watch programs and such.  Not all, of course.  Maybe not even the majority.  There just seems to be such a rush to protect when, in reality, people are so damn trigger happy they don't stop to think, use common sense or otherwise, and we end up hurting each other more than helping.

Far too many people are losing their minds out there these days, if even temporary, and claiming they are able to protect and serve without any training, just going on their own attitudes.  

There is no easy answer but I don't know that having every single person armed and ready to go is the answer.


FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM
1 mom liked this


Quoting candlegal:

If we didn't waste so much of the taxpayers money we wouldn't have problems funding police and fire departments as well as the military.   We really need to prioritize where our money goes.  


I am actually impressed, we seem to agree on more of this than I thought we would   :)

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

Considering most of them are family members, I don't have to worry about it.  I am not missing what you are saying.   I think we should have limited amount of law enforcement and military and the citizens should be doing more to learn to protect themselves.  The old days weren't all that bad, they had volunteer fire departments and the citizens were trained on fire fighting, etc.  The teachers were paid by the local communities, not the government and were accountable to the parents.    Now they barely listen to the parents.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

It shouldn't be up to the police to have to protect us.   What did people do before they had police.    If you are counting on a policeman protecting you and it takes them how many minutes to get there, how are they going to do anything.

I personally don't carry a gun and probably wouldn't shoot one unless I absolutely had to but it is nice to know the people around me can and are trained to do so.  I would prefer armed citizens to protect me over having to come up with all the extra money we would have to continue to pay for many of these police departments that have already bankrupted their towns and cities.  Entitlements just don't go on forever.  Eventually people run out of money to keep on paying for them and that is what is happening here.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.


You are missing what I am saying.

Should we do away with all law enforcement, all military?  We can just take up arms and every one protect themselves.  Lets head on back in time.

And there is it..............................entitlements.

You better start praying now that all those people around you, who are armed, are indeed going to protect you versus otherwise.  


I don't agree on limited law enforcement or military.  We can just agree to disagree on that aspect. 

We still have voluntary fire departments.  At least where I live.  Actually, many small communities in this area rely on them.  I admire any one and every one who gives up their time to do so.  Many are not capable, physically or otherwise, myself included.  I can admit I am most certainly not the type to be able to help in that aspect but I do help with coordination of events.  You don't want me trying to put out a fire.  I think if more people could afford to volunteer their time they would.  But because I don't know their individual circumstances, I can't judge them one way or the other.

I will agree that some teachers do indeed have a hell of a time listening to the parents and instead, they listen to what they are told to do.  I agree that I feel schools should be funded by the communities more.  In more ways than just the financial aspect.  

We are all responsible for ourselves.  But if we relinquish our safety completely over to each other, those who think they can defend will only cause more harm.  I get that it is not easy to trust some one simply because they wear a badge.  But nor should it be so easy to trust some one simply because they carry a gun.  


We agree on many things.  

I don't close myself off in to the labels people like to throw around in here.  I can have many different opinions, points of view, on many subjects.

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:41 PM


Quoting candlegal:

I think they should be required to get training and I don't by any means think all people should be armed.  Besides the George Zimmerman case, how many of these block watch programs have gone bad?    This isn't something we have a problem with on a weekly basis or even a monthly or yearly basis.   For the most part, this is still a good program.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

They need to do what they used to do and come together as communities and get block watches going again.  If more people were armed and trained to shoot, that would help quite a bit.  

Having signs saying gun free zones is just asking for criminals to come in.

Quoting AMBG825:

 Well again, it's happened too many times to count that when a city loses its police department or has to dramatically cut back in law enforcement, that crimes go up. Particularly home invasions. It happened in Detroit. It happend in Newark. It happened in Sacramento and Oakland. If there aren't police to call what should people do?

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting candlegal:

No one wants all people to carry a gun.    The criminals have to know some refuse to so they will know who to go after.

Quoting FromAtoZ:


Quoting shannonnigans:

No offense, but some of you here are the absolute last people I would ever trust with a gun. Just a little too obvious in looking forward to using it.

Isn't that the truth.

Expecting all people go bear arms is a scary thought.


What a sad way to live.  If the criminals are all coming after us, your gun, my gun or the one down the street isn't going to provide that magical answer many seem to think.

The gun isn't the answer.  But then again, what was the question.......who has more power?  Who will kill first?  The so called law abiding, decent citizen or the criminal?

People do not want to address the issues our police departments have with low man power and even lower pay.  How do we get our police departments funded properly and manned properly?  Nah, lets just tell all citizens they need to arm themselves instead.

 


I guess my issue falls on to the people who are taking part in these community watch programs and such.  Not all, of course.  Maybe not even the majority.  There just seems to be such a rush to protect when, in reality, people are so damn trigger happy they don't stop to think, use common sense or otherwise, and we end up hurting each other more than helping.

Far too many people are losing their minds out there these days, if even temporary, and claiming they are able to protect and serve without any training, just going on their own attitudes.  

There is no easy answer but I don't know that having every single person armed and ready to go is the answer.


I agree, if one is going to take part in a neighborhood watch program there should be mandatory training.  But again, who will pay for that?  Personally, it should come out of the individuals pocket.  Others may not think so.

I hadn't even thought of the Zimmerman case when talking about this.  I am going to try to keep that out of my mind and that situation is not the norm.  At least not that I have ever heard of.


OneToughMami
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM

she stated whinning...apparently she's done it before and medicaid doesn't pay for non emergency ambulance rides lol

Quoting candlegal:

I wonder if she had the money to pay for the ambulance ride, sheesh

Quoting OneToughMami:

We do not have such luxuries here yet. It would be seriously lovely to have. My brother is an EMT and he's always sent to the silliest of things. A lady legitimately called because she demanded an ambulance ride to the ER because her daughter pinched her finger...it wasn't even bad enough for a bandaid.

Quoting candlegal:

They have just started a new service here where you call 311 for non-emergency things you need help with.

Quoting OneToughMami:

Don't call 911 for a stubbed toe or pinched finger

Quoting GraceStrickland:

I've never heard of this man, but good for him!  So many people are critcizing first responders because it took them 5 minutes to get to a home and someone died.

1. teach your kids not to call 911

2. don't call 911 because your neighbors kids left bikes in their front yard (sorry for venting that)

3. come up with a plan of action for those fragile moments before the police arrive! 






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