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Women in Combat, Women in the Draft.

 This will likely happen because of Constitutional issues.  What are your thoughts on being drafted or having a daughter drafted.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/01/25/panetta-women-may-be-included-in-future-draft.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1

Panetta: Women May Be Included in Future Draft

Jan 25, 2013

Army equipment officials say engineers are adapting body armor so it provides a more comfortable fit for female soldiers.

Females may be included in the Selective Service and qualify for a potential draft should one be ordered by the president, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said.

The U.S. military’s civilian leader lamented that he didn’t know who ran the Selective Service, but whoever does will “have to exercise some judgment based on what we just did,” Panetta said at a Pentagon press conference Thursday.

On Thursday, Panetta and Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, lifted the official ban on women serving in combat roles, removing gender barriers from jobs in the military.

Congress established the U.S. Selective Service as an independent federal agency in 1940, one year ahead of the start of World War II. Presidents had drafted men in previous wars, but this was the first time it was established in peace time. In America’s history, the military has never drafted a woman or ordered her to register for the Selective Service.

That could change as the service leaders determine how to institute the new policy of allowing women to serve in combat arms specialties. In doing so, it may force Congress or the president to include women or scrap the Selective Service, analysts said.

“That, frankly, could be true,” Nancy Duff Campbell, co-president of the National Women’s Law Center in Washington, D.C., told Military.com.

The Supreme Court cited the exclusion of women from combat in its ruling 30 years ago that the male-only Selective Service System was constitutional.

 

The inclusion of women in combat roles means a new constitutional challenge to the men-only system could turn out differently, Campbell said. That or the Supreme Court could rule that Selective Service can remain in effect only if women are required to register.

Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, called the Pentagon’s decision “ill-advised.”  In part, she said, because it will affect “unsuspecting civilian women, who will face equal obligations to register for Selective Service when a future federal court rules in favor of litigation brought by the [American Civil Liberties Union] on behalf of men.”

On Wednesday, the ACLU issued a statement in support of the Pentagon’s decision, but said nothing about opening up Selective Service registration to women, or criticizing it for discriminating against men.

As far as Campbell is concerned, women should be signing up right alongside their male counterparts.

“Yes,” she said. “. . . On principle, yes.”

The U.S. Selective Service has begun looking at what it may need in terms of resources should Congress or the president want to make a change.

The system would operate the same way, but the number of people who would have to register each year would about double. The Selective Service has an annual budget of $24 million and 153 full-time employees.

The draft has gone through a number of changes over the past century to include age ranges reaching as high as 45 after the U.S. got into World War II. But through all the changes and wars, women were never included.

Growing opposition to the Vietnam War, coupled with evidence that people with money and connections could avoid it, resulted in Selective Service moving to a lottery system by the end of the 1960s and subsequently ending most deferments.

In 1975, with the U.S. then building an all-volunteer military, Selective Service registration was ended and with it, the draft.

President Jimmy Carter pushed to bring it back, but with a provision that both men and women register. Congress balked at that, however, and resurrected Selective Service as it had been -- for men only.

A lawyer suing to overturn the law argued the female exemption made Selective Service discriminatory and therefore unconstitutional. The Supreme Court ruled otherwise, deciding that the exemption for women was not a violation of equal protections because women were barred by law from combat.

“The purpose of registration was to prepare for a draft of combat troops,” the court stated. “Since women are excluded from combat, Congress concluded that they would not be needed in the event of a draft, and therefore decided not to register them."

The court said military experts testified before Congress in favor of registering women, but “uniformly opposed” drafting them.

In the event of a draft that required 650,000 people, the military likely would want about 80,000 non-combat jobs filled by women, the witnesses told Congress.

“[But] assuming that a small number of women could be drafted for non-combat roles,” the court said, “Congress simply did not consider it worth the added burdens of including women in draft and registration plans.”

by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 8:35 PM
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yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Jan. 29, 2013 at 8:41 AM

 

Quoting candlegal:

Be careful what you pray for, you just might get it.

 Yup.  It is interesting to see so many women FOR it, knowing they really have no idea what they are for.  The tune they are singing would be much different if they had to spend a few weeks with a tank in the desert with no services whatsoever...all while their babies are being cared for by someone else back home.

 

GoddessNDaRuff
by Silver Member on Jan. 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM


Quoting meriana:



Quoting Bookwormy:

I'm never OK with the draft! However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with drafting women as well as men. They will obviously have to take into account not drafting both parents. That's all. I think they should let parents decide which is more appropriate if both are 100% elligible. No, I don't want my DD drafted. If I had a son, I wouldn't want him drafted either! I will want my DD to register as a consciencious objector, if she chooses & is able. If I'm required to register, at 42yo, I will do the same. We both have asthma, so they may not want us anyway. My partner, at 46yo, is too old. But why shouldn't women be drafted? Makes no sense.



There's no reason to think they'd take the fact of children into account. Right now there are families where both husband and wife are in the military or a single parent is. From what I've heard, all they do is have the parent(s) file a care plan (relative, family friend, whatever) for the kids should the worst happen. Wives and/or kid's are not an excuse that allows an opt out. I don't know if it's still the way, but when Dh was in the Navy, the saying concerning wives was, "If the Navy wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued you one in your seabag".




You forget you get put out of the military for lack of a family care plan. And as a spouse I can't go join the military while my husband is serving since I wasn't in when we married/before we had kids. (Unless they changed that.) So yes. Wives (husbands, single parents) can use that not to be drafted. They cannot make you send your child anywhere you don't feel they'd be well cared and provided for nor can they make you send your child to foster care. Same if there is something wrong with your spouse that they cannot care for the children alone either have a family care plan that includeses arrangements for your spouse  or you get kicked out.

eema.gray
by on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM

First thing I thought of when I saw the anoucement last week.  I imagine having to regester will come as a sorry surprise for many young women but I believe it is the right thing to do.

timeforprogress
by Silver Member on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM
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I am a war veteran. I deployed attatched to an male combat unit. Was the only female to deploy with them, and I am still all for women having to register. This country is just as much my responsibility as it is any man's.

Seems to me that those of us who led this way to the rules being changed by proving ourselves fully capable are quite willing to except that freedom and equality come with a price.


Quoting yourspecialkid:

 


Quoting candlegal:


Be careful what you pray for, you just might get it.


 Yup.  It is interesting to see so many women FOR it, knowing they really have no idea what they are for.  The tune they are singing would be much different if they had to spend a few weeks with a tank in the desert with no services whatsoever...all while their babies are being cared for by someone else back home.


 

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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM
I'm all for it.

Draft men and women. Equal rights.
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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM
I'm sure there would be draft exemptions for married couples like there are for only children and last remaining sons, etc.



Quoting meriana:

Sometimes when a group of women fight for what they, personally, want, it ends up affecting all women and all women end up paying the consequences for a relatively small group's desire to get what they want.  I would hate to see a draft period. I hate the thought of young men being drafted, let alone young women. If they did reinstitute the draft, we could see lots of young families being torn apart when both dad and mom get drafted. Then there's the thing about both husband and wife being in a combat zone at the same time. Siblings cannot be in a combat zone at the same time but that rule doesn't apply to husbands and wives because they are not biologically related.

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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:28 AM
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I think you underestimate many of us who are For it. Many women in here commenting are military spouses or Veterans themselves.

Quoting yourspecialkid:

 


Quoting candlegal:


Be careful what you pray for, you just might get it.


 Yup.  It is interesting to see so many women FOR it, knowing they really have no idea what they are for.  The tune they are singing would be much different if they had to spend a few weeks with a tank in the desert with no services whatsoever...all while their babies are being cared for by someone else back home.


 

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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Did you know there are more men raped in the military than women? And most rapes occur stateside?

Quoting stephs5isenough:

 Women don't even belong in combat.  Men are physically stronger and more capable of that.  God made men and women differently.  Besides, if you put a woman out in that type of situation with a bunch of men, though it is wrong, there is much greater chance of rape, etc.  Combat is just not a place for women.   Draft is definitely wrong, because then we would be putting women out there in that type of situation when against her choice.


Those are  just my thoughts.

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AMBG825
by on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:48 AM
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 I love how some people still try to blame women for all the ills in the world. Even worse when it's women blaming women for them.

Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM
If both man and woman are military and then get married and have kids that is their choice.

However, if you are married with kids and only one is in the military, the other is currently not be allowed to join.

I'm sure the same would apply to the draft.


Quoting meriana:

 




Quoting Bookwormy:

I'm never OK with the draft! However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with drafting women as well as men. They will obviously have to take into account not drafting both parents. That's all. I think they should let parents decide which is more appropriate if both are 100% elligible. No, I don't want my DD drafted. If I had a son, I wouldn't want him drafted either! I will want my DD to register as a consciencious objector, if she chooses & is able. If I'm required to register, at 42yo, I will do the same. We both have asthma, so they may not want us anyway. My partner, at 46yo, is too old. But why shouldn't women be drafted? Makes no sense.



There's no reason to think they'd take the fact of children into account. Right now there are families where both husband and wife are in the military or a single parent is. From what I've heard, all they do is have the parent(s) file a care plan (relative, family friend, whatever) for the kids should the worst happen. Wives and/or kid's are not an excuse that allows an opt out. I don't know if it's still the way, but when Dh was in the Navy, the saying concerning wives was, "If the Navy wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued you one in your seabag".




 

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