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Boy Scouts Consider Lifting Ban On Gay Leaders

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The discrimination needs to stop already. Why is someone's sexual orientation even a factor for anything anymore? 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us/boy-scouts-consider-lifting-ban-on-gay-leaders.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=fb-share

In a Quick Shift, Scouts Rethink a Ban on Gays

The Boy Scouts of America, with its traditions of youth in uniform and the character-building virtues of honor, has always looked back to an older, more structured image of America, when gay and lesbian people were invisible and silent. It was a view reaffirmed in Scout policy as recently as seven months ago. Openly gay scouts and scout leaders need not apply.

The announcement on Monday by Scouts officials that the ban on gays was in line for elimination was thus a thunderclap on two fronts, scouts and people close to the organization said. First, it removed from discussion the idea, voiced in July by senior national scout leaders, that the ban was in the best interests of scouts themselves.

Perhaps even more momentous was the acknowledgment that scouting itself had moved on, with a diversity of thought like the multicultural and sexually diverse buzz of modern America itself, that no longer could be confined or defined by a dictated policy from headquarters. Local chapters would be able to decide whether to admit gay scouts.

“The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents,” said a spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America, Deron Smith, in a statement. “This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.”

Scout officials gave no timeline for making a formal decision, or for putting the policy into effect, but a spokeswoman said in an e-mail that discussion was anticipated at next week’s national executive board meeting. Board meetings are private and closed to the public and the news media, she said.

In 2000, the Supreme Court affirmed the Boy Scouts’ right to refuse gay members.

Groups that had pushed for the change said that even if senior scout leaders had second thoughts about the policy, it would probably be too late.

“The Boy Scouts of America have heard from scouts, corporations and millions of Americans that discriminating against gay scouts and scout leaders is wrong,” said Herndon Graddick, the president of Glaad, an advocacy group for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. “Scouting is a valuable institution, and this change will only strengthen its core principles of fairness and respect.”

Mr. Smith, the Scouts spokesman, said that under the proposed policy, “the B.S.A. would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.” He said that members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best met the needs of their families.

Critics and supporters alike said that abandoning national policy for local control could have unintended consequences.

Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a conservative group, said in a statement: “If the board capitulates to the bullying of homosexual activists, the Boy Scouts’ legacy of producing great leaders will become yet another casualty of moral compromise. The Boy Scouts should stand firm.”

Zach Wahls, whose group has been working for more inclusive rules under the motto, “A scout is equal,” said he applauded the change.

“It’s a step in the right direction, and good to see that B.S.A. is softening its position,” he said. “But under the policy change, it will still be possible for some units to discriminate.”

The question of gay scouts and leaders has not been the only cloud on scouting’s horizon.

Revelations about sexual abuse by scout leaders, which have increasingly emerged in recent years, with some victims and parents saying the organization shielded predators, have tarnished the group’s reputation as being always protective of youth.


by on Jan. 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM
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autodidact
by Platinum Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM
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And that comment says a lot about your own intelligence, none of it good.

Quoting momto3infl:

 Well I did answer someone else on this.  Atheists are stupid-I have felt this way for many years before even having a son (who is 11yrs old).



 

Hmm waiting for an elaboration on what you think is "stupiod?" Geesh I had to look 2 times at that spelling to put it in quotations. 

Quoting momto3infl:

 that is a stupiod group.

Quoting autodidact:


such as? afraid they will also end their other form of discrimination, against atheists? 


Quoting momto3infl:

 Our troop and others have gay leaders or other volunteers because it is not asked on any online forms or applications.  But my concern is after this change what other changes will happen esp to the program as a whole.



 


 






PamR
by Pam on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM
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Quoting autodidact:


And that comment says a lot about your own intelligence, none of it good.

Quoting momto3infl:

 Well I did answer someone else on this.  Atheists are stupid-I have felt this way for many years before even having a son (who is 11yrs old).



 

Hmm waiting for an elaboration on what you think is "stupiod?" Geesh I had to look 2 times at that spelling to put it in quotations. 

Quoting momto3infl:

 that is a stupiod group.

Quoting autodidact:


such as? afraid they will also end their other form of discrimination, against atheists? 


Quoting momto3infl:

 Our troop and others have gay leaders or other volunteers because it is not asked on any online forms or applications.  But my concern is after this change what other changes will happen esp to the program as a whole.



 


 



Is it just me, or should you spell "stupid" correctly if you're calling someone else - stupid?


candlegal
by Judy on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM


Thanks, appreciate the number and have passed it on to my family and friends

pansyprincess
by Silver Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

 Perhaps you should read the thread and see that she purposefully spelled it incorrectly, since she was quoting the brain surgeon who thinks atheists are stupid.


Quoting PamR:

 

 

Quoting autodidact:

 

And that comment says a lot about your own intelligence, none of it good.

Quoting momto3infl:

 Well I did answer someone else on this.  Atheists are stupid-I have felt this way for many years before even having a son (who is 11yrs old).



 

Hmm waiting for an elaboration on what you think is "stupiod?" Geesh I had to look 2 times at that spelling to put it in quotations. 

Quoting momto3infl:

 that is a stupiod group.

Quoting autodidact:

 

such as? afraid they will also end their other form of discrimination, against atheists? 

 

Quoting momto3infl:

 Our troop and others have gay leaders or other volunteers because it is not asked on any online forms or applications.  But my concern is after this change what other changes will happen esp to the program as a whole.

 

 

 


 

 

 

Is it just me, or should you spell "stupid" correctly if you're calling someone else - stupid?

 


 

PamR
by Pam on Jan. 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM
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I still think you should spell stupid correctly when you're calling someone stupid.  But that's just me.

rayroe2
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Why so my child can be raped?

LauraKW
by "Dude!" on Jan. 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Do you think all gay people are pedophiles? Do you think all pedophiles are gay?

Quoting rayroe2:

Why so my child can be raped?

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momto3infl
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

 ok I see that my fingers got ahead of my brain it happens to everyone no one is perfect.  I have the right to have opinion-and still feel anyone no matter gay or not christian or not may want their views or something they dont like done to change BSA-and that is my only point to lifting the ban-since again OUR TROOP AND OTHERS IN OUR AREA ALREADY ALLOW GAY MEMBERS AND NOTHING IS STATED IN ANY PAPERWOK WHAT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS TO JOIN BSA THEY WOULD NEVER KNOW.

Quoting PamR:

 

 

Quoting autodidact:

 

And that comment says a lot about your own intelligence, none of it good.

Quoting momto3infl:

 Well I did answer someone else on this.  Atheists are stupid-I have felt this way for many years before even having a son (who is 11yrs old).



 

Hmm waiting for an elaboration on what you think is "stupiod?" Geesh I had to look 2 times at that spelling to put it in quotations. 

Quoting momto3infl:

 that is a stupiod group.

Quoting autodidact:

 

such as? afraid they will also end their other form of discrimination, against atheists? 

 

Quoting momto3infl:

 Our troop and others have gay leaders or other volunteers because it is not asked on any online forms or applications.  But my concern is after this change what other changes will happen esp to the program as a whole.

 

 

 


 

 

 

Is it just me, or should you spell "stupid" correctly if you're calling someone else - stupid?

 

 

Euphoric
by Bazinga! on Jan. 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM
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Quoting rayroe2:

Why so my child can be raped?

 

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PamR
by Pam on Jan. 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM



Quoting momto3infl:

 ok I see that my fingers got ahead of my brain it happens to everyone no one is perfect.  I have the right to have opinion-and still feel anyone no matter gay or not christian or not may want their views or something they dont like done to change BSA-and that is my only point to lifting the ban-since again OUR TROOP AND OTHERS IN OUR AREA ALREADY ALLOW GAY MEMBERS AND NOTHING IS STATED IN ANY PAPERWOK WHAT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS TO JOIN BSA THEY WOULD NEVER KNOW.

Quoting PamR:



Quoting autodidact:


And that comment says a lot about your own intelligence, none of it good.

Quoting momto3infl:

 Well I did answer someone else on this.  Atheists are stupid-I have felt this way for many years before even having a son (who is 11yrs old).



 

Hmm waiting for an elaboration on what you think is "stupiod?" Geesh I had to look 2 times at that spelling to put it in quotations. 

Quoting momto3infl:

 that is a stupiod group.

Quoting autodidact:


such as? afraid they will also end their other form of discrimination, against atheists? 


Quoting momto3infl:

 Our troop and others have gay leaders or other volunteers because it is not asked on any online forms or applications.  But my concern is after this change what other changes will happen esp to the program as a whole.



 


 



Is it just me, or should you spell "stupid" correctly if you're calling someone else - stupid?


 

And punctuation can be your friend.  And make it way easier to decipher what you're trying to say.


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