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High school to conduct safety drill with simulated gunfire

Some parents of students at Cary-Grove High School are upset with plans for simulated gunfire during an emergency-preparedness drill.

An Illinois high school's plans for an emergency-response drill complete with simulated gunfire has some parents on edge.

Cary-Grove High School in Cary, Ill., about 45 miles northwest of Chicago, has scheduled a "Code Red" lockdown drill for Wednesday. The drill includes the firing of blanks in the hallway so that students and teachers "might be able to recognize the sound and react quickly should an active gunman situation occur," the school said in a statement on its website.

The drill will be conducted with the help of Cary police officers, who will sweep the building.

Some parents wondered whether including the simulated gunfire was going too far.

"It's probably necessary to have the 'code red' drill but not really necessary to shoot the blanks in the hallway," parent Kassy Pinter told CBS Chicago.

"If you need to run a drill, you run a drill," parent Sharon Miller told WBBM Newsradio. "They run fire drills all the time, but they don't run up and down the hallway with a flamethrower."

School officials explained how the drill will be conducted:

"The drill will begin with a public address announcement about the lockdown. After staff have secured their rooms, Cary police and administrators will sweep the building to ensure all students made it into secure locations and assess any potential issues that may become apparent from the practice. Following this, a second PA announcement will be made informing students and staff that gunfire will be simulated so that they might be able to recognize the sound and react quickly, should an active gunman situation occur.

"Following the drill, a discussion will ensue between the students and their classroom teacher. We will utilize this feedback as a building and police department to assess our security and make any necessary adjustments to our building plan. Our sole purpose for utilizing the blanks is to fully prepare our students and staff."

School officials encouraged parents to discuss the drill with their children before and after it happens.

"These drills help our students and staff to be prepared should a crisis occur, but it may cause some students to have an emotional reaction. In those cases, a parent's voice may provide reassurances of the drill's importance," the school said. "Additionally, we have trained social workers on staff who can speak directly with students."

Schools across the country have been grappling with better ways to increase security and respond to emergencies in the wake of last month's mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn. The massacre, carried out by 20-year-old Adam Lanza, left 20 first-graders and six adults dead. Police said Lanza also killed his mother at their Newtown home and later committed suicide as police approached the school.

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by on Jan. 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM
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bellaamore
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Sorry. Yeah. Stupid i phone. I turned autocorrect off, it kept changingwords that were spelled correctly even to other words altogether. Lol.

Did you get the point of what i was saying, though?

Quoting Woodbabe:


Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.


Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Are you typing on a phone or what? Trying to understand you...


bellaamore
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM


Quoting punky3175:

So you'd rather NO kids be prepared?

Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.




Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Many schools have plan for these things, and dont tell any children.

As long as there is some kind of plan, thats all we can ask. Honestly, my kids dont and wont go to school until they are much older(if they ask to), soi ont much care, im just pointing out the issues with this plan. :)

Woodbabe
by Woodie on Jan. 30, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Kind of. My husband has been in the 'police field' for 24 years and he would be very upset to think someone like  you thinks professionals like them aren't skilled and knowledgeable with their weapons.

Quoting bellaamore:

Sorry. Yeah. Stupid i phone. I turned autocorrect off, it kept changingwords that were spelled correctly even to other words altogether. Lol.

Did you get the point of what i was saying, though?

Quoting Woodbabe:


Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.


Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Are you typing on a phone or what? Trying to understand you...



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pamelax3
by Gold Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM
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I agree with both of you guys.. We have got to teach our children how to react and safe themselves from these nuts. The schools are doing the best they can, but when it gets down to it their are more students then adults, these kiddos have got to know how to identify what is going on and how to hide/protect themselves in this type of situation  


Quoting Woodbabe:

I absolutely agree, and some of the responses here show exactly why. We're so afraid of our poor kids learning to deal with ANY kind of stress that we coddle them and keep them under our aprons. THOSE are the kids growing up without coping skills. Maybe kids are too jumpy, freaking out anytime a book is dropped in the hallway. For whatever reason, this school wants to make sure those kids know what a gunshot sounds like so they don't overreact to 'other noises' that might be mistaken, if they've never heard a gunshot. If your kid is so delicate in high school that the pre-planned and forewarned use of a starter pistol is going to traumatize them, then you have much more to be worried about.

Quoting punky3175:

Ok - I'm going to be the oddball and say I like the idea. I think the school is handling it very well. Kids already practice how to react in such a situation but if they don't know what gunfire sounds like they won't be able to actually USE what they've been taught. I was active duty for 6 years and have fired guns personally (not often) and I don't know what gunfire sounds like without hearing protection.

I hate the idea this is necessary but I'd rather my kids be prepared and react accordingly than freeze up in a real life situation and not able to get somewhere safe. I understand what Sisteract was saying but there's no way to prevent a single student using what they learn to their advantage. You have to look out for the whole.

If they were going to have this drill with blanks being fired and not warn everyone, then I'd be pissed. But they're going to do the drill, then announce the firing so everyone knows exactly what's happening.

ETA: if it were elementary or middle school I would have an issue with it, but this is high school and as horrible and tragic as it is, knowing how to react to an active shooter situation is a life skill everyone needs in our society.



 

bellaamore
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM


Quoting Woodbabe:

Kind of. My husband has been in the 'police field' for 24 years and he would be very upset to think someone like  you thinks professionals like them aren't skilled and knowledgeable with their weapons.

Quoting bellaamore:

Sorry. Yeah. Stupid i phone. I turned autocorrect off, it kept changingwords that were spelled correctly even to other words altogether. Lol.

Did you get the point of what i was saying, though?

Quoting Woodbabe:


Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.


Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Are you typing on a phone or what? Trying to understand you...



I did t say all, and i did t say your husband in particular,

What i said is that many police offics dont usetheirduty weapons and only douse them to qualify.ask yourhusband, he willverify this. It is a known issue. It is also why so many cops"accidentally" shoot themselves while cleaning their guns. Around is chambered, and in almost every case, they forget about it. They just arent used to dealing with the gun often enough. It is usually smaller town police stations, as sheriffs officers generally use theirsmore as they have a larger area to cover and are trained to handle situations that smallpolice stations arent.

As i said,habe you never seen the video where the atf agent has an ar15 in a classroom, finger on the trigger, and says no one is qualified like him to handle said gun, and then proceeds to shoot his own foot? Anyone highly trained in guns in particular wouldknow to never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. They would also now not to point a gun, loaded or not, at anything you arent willing to shoot. And, the part i mentioned earlier, theyd know how to correctly clear the weapon if they were used to doing so.

The idea of some small town local cops using these guns to simulate real gunfire only scares me because of the risk of one idiot loading a real bullet by mistake. As i pointed out, you cant shoot it just like that, but we learned in the case of brandon lee thatone can jam and become unlodged when the blank is shoot.

Iagree that our kids should be able to recognize gunfire, and if they are going to do these drills, having simulated gunfire somehow is not a bad idea. We shouldcoddle so much... Its just the chance of these guys messing up thats scares me.whileyou may resent this, you know it is true. Not all police officers are proficient and well versed in the use of their weapons. There are regular old folks who could be better suited thancertain police with a gun. Just because they have that titledoesnt mean that i blindly trust them around my child with a gun. Does that make sense?

cjsbmom
by Lois Lane on Jan. 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

 It wouldn't sound the same over the PA system. I think they are trying to make it as authentic as possible, and to do that, they'd have to do it the way they plan. But I'm still not a fan of the idea. Sure, have the kids practice a "code red." But they don't need the simulated gun fire to make it effective.

Quoting firefly63701:

 

They need to learn to act quickly in this type of situation.  Simulated gunfire will help them react.  though instead of shooting blanks in the hallway  maybe have it come over the pa system.

Quoting Bieg9093:

 I think the cons outweigh the pros on this one.

 

 

 

Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM
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It's a good idea to do it at least once because many kids do not know what gunfire sounds like... It could potentially save lives.
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Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM
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So you'd rather no students know the emergency plan so that if something happened it would be complete chaos?

No thanks.


Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.




Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

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bellaamore
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

So you'd rather no students know the emergency plan so that if something happened it would be complete chaos?

No thanks.


Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.




Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Ive already answered this.

But, to play devils advocate, how about this questionfor you:

How would you feel knowing their was a shooter in your childs grade, and that they knew exactly where everyone would be and where to find them, how to get to them, etc?

Im not saying i dont support drills like these, just that theres also a counterproductive side.

Mommy_of_Riley
by Jes on Jan. 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM
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A child wouldn't know where EVERYONE was. They would know the emergency plan for THEIR class.

Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

So you'd rather no students know the emergency plan so that if something happened it would be complete chaos?



No thanks.




Quoting bellaamore:


Quoting Woodbabe:

Guns that shoot blanks (like a starting pistol) usually are incapable of shooting real bullets...blank firing guns look real but don't hold real bullets.

Quoting TruthSeeker.:

 Uh, no way in Hell my kid would be in school that day. A bunch of cops running around the school shooting blanks? A gun should not be discharged inside of a school AT ALL. I don't are if they are blanks. What if someone loads a weapon wrong. This is just irresponsible and going beyond what is necessary.






Thats what people thought when brandon lee died from a fatal gunshot wound, shot from a fake gun made to shoot blanks. Omeone had loaded a real bullet at some point, and it was lodged in the barrel.

All it takes is one idiot, and as we all know, mny police dont know how to properly handle thir weapons as they never o it fter merely qualifying with them. When even atf gents shoot themselves in the classroom, saying they are the only ones qualified to shoot said weapon and tht it isnt loaded, i dont know that id trust it either.

I also believe that in the case of a student being the shooter, it isnt smart to let ll students know of emergency plans. Thats counterproductive.

Ive already answered this.

But, to play devils advocate, how about this questionfor you:

How would you feel knowing their was a shooter in your childs grade, and that they knew exactly where everyone would be and where to find them, how to get to them, etc?

Im not saying i dont support drills like these, just that theres also a counterproductive side.

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