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Oregon Bakery Says No to Same Sex Wedding Cake

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Oregon bakery refuses to make same-sex wedding cake

'I believe that marriage is a religious institution ordained by God,' owner says


By 
KGW-TV
updated 2/2/2013 5:53:52 PM ET

GRESHAM, Ore. — The Oregon Department of Justice is looking into a complaint that a Gresham bakery refused to make a wedding cake for a same sex marriage.

It started on Jan. 17 when a mother and daughter showed up at Sweet Cakes by Melissa looking for the perfect wedding cake.

"My first question is what's the wedding date," said owner Aaron Klein. "My next question is bride and groom's name ... the girl giggled a little bit and said it's two brides."

Klein apologized to the women and told them he and his wife do not make cakes for same-sex marriages. Klein said the women were disgusted and walked out.

"I believe that marriage is a religious institution ordained by God," said Klein. "A man should leave his mother and father and cling to his wife ... that to me is the beginning of marriage."

At the advice of their attorney, the women are not speaking to the media, but they have plenty of support. Numerous people have blasted the Klein's on the internet.

What Klein wants to make clear is that he and his wife do not hate homosexuals.

"They can buy my stuff," said Klein. "I'll sell them stuff ... I'll talk to them, it's fine."

What is not fine, according to Klein, is a marriage between people of the same sex. He will always stand by that conviction.

"I'd rather have my kids see their dad stand up for what he believes in then to see him bow down because one person complained."

ORS 659A.403 is the law in question. In short, it prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation. Klein and his wife have two weeks to respond to the Oregon Department of Justice's inquiry into what happened


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50679304/ns/us_news-life/?ocid=msnhp&pos=5#.UQ4LTieCmPU

by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 2:04 AM
Replies (451-460):
Imacakebaker
by on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?

 

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 

 

Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!

 

 

 

 

 

 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM


Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?


Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 


Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!



 



 



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Imacakebaker
by on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?

 

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 

 

Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Because one is discrimination against a group of people.

The other is something else entirely. He should not have the right to discriminate against a group of people.

Now if they were asking for a penis/boob cake he would have grounds to refuse service. But they were looking for a wedding cake like any other wedding cake. And he choose to descriminate against them by denying them a service he would offer any other person.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?


Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 


Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!



 



 



 



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wowguildmomma
by Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:42 PM

but discrimination is discrimination regardless of the how or why. I am not saying that it is right but that they both have rights to do so and that the law is wrong to strip a party of that right.

Anytime we choose to do something based on beliefs, values or way of life we are being discriminatory against others even if it isn't our intent. Be it a personal choice of where to shop or business based one to refuse service if the result forces the opposite party to act in a way contrary to thier beliefs or right then they are discriminating. 

Yes he didn't want to do a cake based on what his personal morals, he has that right. 

Yes they are free to marry as they choose, they have that right. 

Do either party have the right to force the other to adjust according to their indvidual rights? No they don't. 

Forcing him to go against his beliefs is just as discriminatory as he was in denying them the cake. 

Both parties are wrong. The right thing to do would have been to accept his stance and honesty and to have gone to another bakery. Hell if he is smart he should obtain the names of some bakeries who do cakes for the couples he doesn't. It is what one of our most successful shops in my area does. If they don't offer it due to religous reasons or morals they tell you where you can get it be it a racy cake for a bachlor/bachlorette party, religious celebration, or wedding cake. We also have party planners that operate in the same fashion.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Your first statement doesn't make any sense. No one is trying to control where you spend your money. We are talking about discriminating against a group of people by refusing them service.

Discrimination has never been limited to the essentials to survive. Who told you that?

If his belief was, "White people shouldn't serve Black people" Would you agree with him denying black people service? I hope not. But maybe you would I don't know. But either way it is discrimination.

We are not asking him to approve of black people. Excuse me back to this example. We are not asking him to approve of marriage between people of the same sex. We are not asking that he joins the wedding and celebrates with them. But she was asking to buy a cake and was refused service by him based on her sexual orientation. Which is discrimination

Quoting wowguildmomma:

So I should be forced to shop in stores that I know are based on values besides my own or it would be discriminatory of me to deny those places my money? 

Where is the line? If we were talking an event that denied them a house, basics like food needed to survive, the ability to bring in income for thier family then yes it would be discrimination as it would be denying them the ability to provide the essentials for life. However, we are talking luxury goods that can be gained from anywhere and are not life sustaining in any way.

To say that this is discrimination means that the family that was got denied a birthday cake for thier kid named after adolf hitler was wrong. Yet that baker was defended in that case for standing for what he felt was right. 

Not everyone has the same beliefs, views or ways of thinking and that is ok. But there is a difference granted it is a fine line of what is discrimination and what is standing for your beliefs. In both cases the judgment of what it is will differ from person to person.

For example me, I am a non-christian from a deeply Christian area living surrounded everyday by everytype of the religon from the open minded friends I have that don't mind that I am different to the extreme ones who would love to burn me at the stake as an example of those who choose the wrong faith, but I am not so conceited to think that just those who would refuse me service due to thier religion should be denied the right to do so. Any more than I should be denied the right to not shop at their business.  

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because discrimination is wrong.

If a group of Christians decided that they don't want to serve Black people anymore should they be allowed to discriminate against them too?

It's not like she walked into the Bakery and said, "Will you make me a cake in the shape of boobs" or as you suggested, "Make me a cake in the shape of a pentacle".

And again because discrimination is wrong. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to discriminate based on religion.


Quoting wowguildmomma:

So to those that are saying that this law is right and fair. If I lived in Oregon and decided to shop in a Christian bookstore, that I would have the right to yell discrimination based on they refuse to sell me a Qu'ran, athame, spell candles or any product I needed for my non-christian faith or as gifts to my equally non-Christan friends. 

You are also saying that i could sue this same guy if he refused to make me a wedding cake that featured a Thor's Hammer, Pentacle, .

Now do you see why this law is dumb and shouldn't exist. Why should any business be forced to offer products, services, etc that are against thier values? Part of why I love privately owned and operated places are because of thier deep beliefs. I can choose not to shop at places that are openly Christian based on my beliefs so why can't they refuse me services for the same reason.

I know this way of thinking isn't popular in the day of political correctness and all the sue happy thinking but I think that it is wrong to force the world to adjust itself to my beliefs. Yes our beliefs are different but they shouldn't be forced to be ashamed to stand for what they believe any more than I should be. That is the beauty of free enterprise and freedom OF religion.







Imacakebaker
by on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM

 It is forcing someone to participate in something they are religiously opposed to.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because one is discrimination against a group of people.

The other is something else entirely. He should not have the right to discriminate against a group of people.

Now if they were asking for a penis/boob cake he would have grounds to refuse service. But they were looking for a wedding cake like any other wedding cake. And he choose to descriminate against them by denying them a service he would offer any other person.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?

 

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 

 

Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM


The law is NOT wrong to strip away the right for someone to discriminate.

Discrimination is NOT the norm and SHOULDN"T be condoned.

Them having the ability to marry is NOT the same as him discriminating against them by denying them service that someone else would get.

Those are in no way the same thing.

If his belief was, "Don't make cakes"  Then he would be perfectly fine in practicing that belief. But if his belief is, "Make cakes for Group A, but don't make cakes for Group B"-Then he is discriminating against group b.

Making a cake isn't against his belief. Which is what they were asking him to do. He owns a bakery and makes wedding cakes. So everything they asked him to do goes perfectly fine with his belief. His choice to refuse them service is discrimination.

Just so you know they are not taking him to court over a cake. They are taking him to court over discrimination.

Quoting wowguildmomma:

but discrimination is discrimination regardless of the how or why. I am not saying that it is right but that they both have rights to do so and that the law is wrong to strip a party of that right.

Anytime we choose to do something based on beliefs, values or way of life we are being discriminatory against others even if it isn't our intent. Be it a personal choice of where to shop or business based one to refuse service if the result forces the opposite party to act in a way contrary to thier beliefs or right then they are discriminating. 

Yes he didn't want to do a cake based on what his personal morals, he has that right. 

Yes they are free to marry as they choose, they have that right. 

Do either party have the right to force the other to adjust according to their indvidual rights? No they don't. 

Forcing him to go against his beliefs is just as discriminatory as he was in denying them the cake. 

Both parties are wrong. The right thing to do would have been to accept his stance and honesty and to have gone to another bakery. Hell if he is smart he should obtain the names of some bakeries who do cakes for the couples he doesn't. It is what one of our most successful shops in my area does. If they don't offer it due to religous reasons or morals they tell you where you can get it be it a racy cake for a bachlor/bachlorette party, religious celebration, or wedding cake. We also have party planners that operate in the same fashion.


Quoting brookiecookie87:

Your first statement doesn't make any sense. No one is trying to control where you spend your money. We are talking about discriminating against a group of people by refusing them service.

Discrimination has never been limited to the essentials to survive. Who told you that?

If his belief was, "White people shouldn't serve Black people" Would you agree with him denying black people service? I hope not. But maybe you would I don't know. But either way it is discrimination.

We are not asking him to approve of black people. Excuse me back to this example. We are not asking him to approve of marriage between people of the same sex. We are not asking that he joins the wedding and celebrates with them. But she was asking to buy a cake and was refused service by him based on her sexual orientation. Which is discrimination

Quoting wowguildmomma:

So I should be forced to shop in stores that I know are based on values besides my own or it would be discriminatory of me to deny those places my money? 

Where is the line? If we were talking an event that denied them a house, basics like food needed to survive, the ability to bring in income for thier family then yes it would be discrimination as it would be denying them the ability to provide the essentials for life. However, we are talking luxury goods that can be gained from anywhere and are not life sustaining in any way.

To say that this is discrimination means that the family that was got denied a birthday cake for thier kid named after adolf hitler was wrong. Yet that baker was defended in that case for standing for what he felt was right. 

Not everyone has the same beliefs, views or ways of thinking and that is ok. But there is a difference granted it is a fine line of what is discrimination and what is standing for your beliefs. In both cases the judgment of what it is will differ from person to person.

For example me, I am a non-christian from a deeply Christian area living surrounded everyday by everytype of the religon from the open minded friends I have that don't mind that I am different to the extreme ones who would love to burn me at the stake as an example of those who choose the wrong faith, but I am not so conceited to think that just those who would refuse me service due to thier religion should be denied the right to do so. Any more than I should be denied the right to not shop at their business.  

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because discrimination is wrong.

If a group of Christians decided that they don't want to serve Black people anymore should they be allowed to discriminate against them too?

It's not like she walked into the Bakery and said, "Will you make me a cake in the shape of boobs" or as you suggested, "Make me a cake in the shape of a pentacle".

And again because discrimination is wrong. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to discriminate based on religion.


Quoting wowguildmomma:

So to those that are saying that this law is right and fair. If I lived in Oregon and decided to shop in a Christian bookstore, that I would have the right to yell discrimination based on they refuse to sell me a Qu'ran, athame, spell candles or any product I needed for my non-christian faith or as gifts to my equally non-Christan friends. 

You are also saying that i could sue this same guy if he refused to make me a wedding cake that featured a Thor's Hammer, Pentacle, .

Now do you see why this law is dumb and shouldn't exist. Why should any business be forced to offer products, services, etc that are against thier values? Part of why I love privately owned and operated places are because of thier deep beliefs. I can choose not to shop at places that are openly Christian based on my beliefs so why can't they refuse me services for the same reason.

I know this way of thinking isn't popular in the day of political correctness and all the sue happy thinking but I think that it is wrong to force the world to adjust itself to my beliefs. Yes our beliefs are different but they shouldn't be forced to be ashamed to stand for what they believe any more than I should be. That is the beauty of free enterprise and freedom OF religion.









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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM


Wait-They were asking him to marry another man? I thought they were just asking him for a cake?

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 It is forcing someone to participate in something they are religiously opposed to.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because one is discrimination against a group of people.

The other is something else entirely. He should not have the right to discriminate against a group of people.

Now if they were asking for a penis/boob cake he would have grounds to refuse service. But they were looking for a wedding cake like any other wedding cake. And he choose to descriminate against them by denying them a service he would offer any other person.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?


Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 


Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!



 



 



 



 



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Imacakebaker
by on Feb. 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM

 Its his "art" his "creation" a wedding cake is a big part of a wedding.  Why should he have to contribute or else?

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Wait-They were asking him to marry another man? I thought they were just asking him for a cake?

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 It is forcing someone to participate in something they are religiously opposed to.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because one is discrimination against a group of people.

The other is something else entirely. He should not have the right to discriminate against a group of people.

Now if they were asking for a penis/boob cake he would have grounds to refuse service. But they were looking for a wedding cake like any other wedding cake. And he choose to descriminate against them by denying them a service he would offer any other person.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

 

Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?

 

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 

 

Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM


Because offering a service to everyone and then looking at a homosexual and saying, "No you. We don't offer service to people like you" is discrimination.

Just because he interprets the bible to allow discrimination doesn't mean he should be allowed to discriminate.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Its his "art" his "creation" a wedding cake is a big part of a wedding.  Why should he have to contribute or else?

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Wait-They were asking him to marry another man? I thought they were just asking him for a cake?

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 It is forcing someone to participate in something they are religiously opposed to.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

Because one is discrimination against a group of people.

The other is something else entirely. He should not have the right to discriminate against a group of people.

Now if they were asking for a penis/boob cake he would have grounds to refuse service. But they were looking for a wedding cake like any other wedding cake. And he choose to descriminate against them by denying them a service he would offer any other person.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 Why should I have to spend time doing a cake for a gay couple if I am opposed or penis or boob cakes?  I have better things to do. 

The man should have been able to say NO.  I am opposed to same sex marriage and I don't want to participate in anyway.

Quoting brookiecookie87:


Well at least you hide your discrimination. That should be enough to keep you from being on the next article like this. I imagine if this man did the same he would not be in this position.

Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I ask first what they want, and then when they want it. If I don't want to do it, I can't fit it into my schedule.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Good for you.  But you might have to watch it if you are targeted, depending on your state law.  You might not be able to stand by your convictions; they won't let you.  Tolerance only goes one way, don't ya know?


Quoting Imacakebaker:

 I bake cakes for special occasions.  My schedule is full for the next six months.  I will not do same sex weddings, pornographic things, or anything else I don't want to do.  It has never hurt my business.  I did four wedding cakes, and two birthday cakes this weekend alone.  I can afford to say no.

They can find someone else to make their cake.

Quoting TranquilMind:

 Or he will gain business, as did a bakery in Colorado.  The owner said he would sell any sort of cake to anyone at all, except for wedding cakes to memorialize something that is not marriage, scripturally.   He gained business for abiding by his principles. 

There are a thousand other bakeries that will make cakes.  Pick one of them. I never understand these sorts of stupid arguments.  Do you want to force someone to do artistic work against his will?  It won't be very good.  The same sorts of cases have arisen with photographers who have been sued because they don't want to do gay "weddings".  Find someone who WANTS the business and go there.  Use common sense.  If someone didn't want to marry my intended spouse and myself, I would just go elsewhere. 


Quoting Luv.My.Kidz:

He's going to be losing a shit load of business!



 



 



 



 



 



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