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S/O of baker refuses to make a SSM cake

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Gay couple has a contract with a baker to make their SSM wedding cake.  The day before their wedding gay couple is watching the news and see their baker at a rally protesting against SSM.  Does the couple have a right to cancel their contract without paying?  



by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM
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krysstizzle
by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Based on historical evidence, I believe the government most certainly has a role in enforcing civil rights issues.

Quoting tapies2324:

My point was that i dont feel it is right for the government to be so involved in our lives. The business owner should be allowed to run his business as he sees fit.




Quoting krysstizzle:

Some people are "morally" opposed to black or interracial marriage. Doesn't mean they get to treat those groups like second class citizens.





Quoting tapies2324:

Isn't it crazy?? This is supposed to be a free country yet a baker would be forced into doing something he is morally opposed to? Thats sad.








Quoting Bookwormy:

Cause the baker needs the money or lives in a state where GLBT is included in non-discrimination laws.










Quoting tapies2324:

I wonder why the baker would agree to make a cake for a ssm wedding if me didn't believe in ssm. Sort of hypocritical to me.



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Sekirei
by Nari Trickster on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:05 PM

a contract is a contract.

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:07 PM

 

 

Quoting FromAtoZ:

As long as they are legally able to do so, yes.  Otherwise, they don't have to accept the cake but I would expect them to pay per the contract.

There is a difference here.  As a business, there are laws that prevent discrimination.  This baker did not enter in to a contract or a business deal.  He refused service.

In the scenerio you have painted, there is already a contract in place, a business deal has already taken place.

So you don't think the gay couple in my scenario could claim discrimination stating that had they know the baker was anit-SSM they would not have used his services?  I'm betting they could and people on here would be complaining that he took money from a gay couple without disclosing his views.

  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if I did a google search and find my scenario has already happened...

 

MamiJaAyla
by Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Nope.  They have a contract. Their bakers personal belief does not play into it.

stacymomof2
by Ruby Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Depends on the cancellation clause in the contract.  I think wedding cakes take a few days to make, though, so I doubt it could be done that quick.  So, no, they would have to pay.

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:10 PM

 Some people like the Nation of Islam...or the New Black Panthers....


Quoting krysstizzle:

Some people are "morally" opposed to black or interracial marriage. Doesn't mean they get to treat those groups like second class citizens.

Quoting tapies2324:

Isn't it crazy?? This is supposed to be a free country yet a baker would be forced into doing something he is morally opposed to? Thats sad.




Quoting Bookwormy:

Cause the baker needs the money or lives in a state where GLBT is included in non-discrimination laws.






Quoting tapies2324:

I wonder why the baker would agree to make a cake for a ssm wedding if me didn't believe in ssm. Sort of hypocritical to me.



 

FromAtoZ
by AllieCat on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:11 PM


Quoting 12hellokitty:



Quoting FromAtoZ:

As long as they are legally able to do so, yes.  Otherwise, they don't have to accept the cake but I would expect them to pay per the contract.

There is a difference here.  As a business, there are laws that prevent discrimination.  This baker did not enter in to a contract or a business deal.  He refused service.

In the scenerio you have painted, there is already a contract in place, a business deal has already taken place.

So you don't think the gay couple in my scenario could claim discrimination stating that had they know the baker was anit-SSM they would not have used his services?  I'm betting they could and people on here would be complaining that he took money from a gay couple without disclosing his views.

  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if I did a google search and find my scenario has already happened...


No, they cannot claim discrimination.  They were not refused service.

You honestly cannot see the difference in the real scenerio and  yours, can you?

krysstizzle
by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Do political (or pseudo-political, as the case may be) groupa need or deserve civil rights protection? I don't think so, just like corporations don't.


Going through and making educated decisions on who should be afforded protected civil rights does not mean that we will afford them to every and any kind of group or category that can possibly be conceived. That's incredibly shallow thinking.


Quoting 12hellokitty:

 Some people like the Nation of Islam...or the New Black Panthers....




Quoting krysstizzle:

Some people are "morally" opposed to black or interracial marriage. Doesn't mean they get to treat those groups like second class citizens.


Quoting tapies2324:

Isn't it crazy?? This is supposed to be a free country yet a baker would be forced into doing something he is morally opposed to? Thats sad.





Quoting Bookwormy:

Cause the baker needs the money or lives in a state where GLBT is included in non-discrimination laws.







Quoting tapies2324:

I wonder why the baker would agree to make a cake for a ssm wedding if me didn't believe in ssm. Sort of hypocritical to me.





 

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12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:22 PM

 Religious freedom is a civil right...


Quoting krysstizzle:

Based on historical evidence, I believe the government most certainly has a role in enforcing civil rights issues.

Quoting tapies2324:

My point was that i dont feel it is right for the government to be so involved in our lives. The business owner should be allowed to run his business as he sees fit.




Quoting krysstizzle:

Some people are "morally" opposed to black or interracial marriage. Doesn't mean they get to treat those groups like second class citizens.





Quoting tapies2324:

Isn't it crazy?? This is supposed to be a free country yet a baker would be forced into doing something he is morally opposed to? Thats sad.








Quoting Bookwormy:

Cause the baker needs the money or lives in a state where GLBT is included in non-discrimination laws.










Quoting tapies2324:

I wonder why the baker would agree to make a cake for a ssm wedding if me didn't believe in ssm. Sort of hypocritical to me.




 

12hellokitty
by Platinum Member on Feb. 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM

 So they wouldn't be covered under race?  GLBT activist could also be consider a political group...


Quoting krysstizzle:

Do political (or pseudo-political, as the case may be) groupa need or deserve civil rights protection? I don't think so, just like corporations don't.


Going through and making educated decisions on who should be afforded protected civil rights does not mean that we will afford them to every and any kind of group or category that can possibly be conceived. That's incredibly shallow thinking.


Quoting 12hellokitty:

 Some people like the Nation of Islam...or the New Black Panthers....


 


Quoting krysstizzle:

Some people are "morally" opposed to black or interracial marriage. Doesn't mean they get to treat those groups like second class citizens.


Quoting tapies2324:

Isn't it crazy?? This is supposed to be a free country yet a baker would be forced into doing something he is morally opposed to? Thats sad.





Quoting Bookwormy:

Cause the baker needs the money or lives in a state where GLBT is included in non-discrimination laws.







Quoting tapies2324:

I wonder why the baker would agree to make a cake for a ssm wedding if me didn't believe in ssm. Sort of hypocritical to me.



 


 


 

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