The twisted teen accused of pushing his 9-year-old neighbor off the roof of their five-story Bronx apartment building told cops it was an accident — but admitted he didn’t go for help.
“I grabbed Freddy around the legs,” Casmine Aska, 17, said, referring to victim Freddy Martin, according to court papers.
His feet were off the ground. I turned around. I slipped and Freddy fell. I did not call 911. I did not tell my mother. I did not check to see if Freddy was okay.”
Bizarrely, Aska said, “I did not hear the thud until I went into the apartment.”
Prosecutors say Aska dragged Martin up the stairs of their building on Nelson Ave. in Morris Heights on Friday, picked the boy up and threw him off the roof.
Before losing consciousness, Freddy managed to tell EMTs, “Cas dragged me to the roof and threw me off — I don’t know why,” according to court papers.
Aska’s lawyer, Katherine Dyer, insisted in Bronx Criminal court Sunday that the plunge was “a tragic accident.” She described the teen as a dedicated high school student and church volunteer.
Aska has four prior arrests related to robbery, assault, harassment and menacing, law enforcement sources said.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/horror_stories_ZwAPNp7kjFLXZT2SLy2N1O
Bx. teen offers police three stories on how neighbor fell off roof
- By JENNIFER BAIN, KIRSTAN CONLEY and BETH DEFALCO
- Last Updated: 6:06 AM, February 4, 2013
- Posted: 1:28 AM, February 4, 2013
The Bronx teen accused of flinging his 9-year-old neighbor off the roof of their five-story apartment building told cops it was an accident - but offered at least three versions of what happened.
Casmine Aska, 17, initially told police that little Freddy Martin was walking along the ledge of the roof and fell, law-enforcement sources told The Post. After more questioning, he said his younger brother and Freddy were "play fighting and Freddy fell" from the Nelson Avenue apartment building in Morris Heights.
Then, he offered another version.
"I grabbed Freddy around the legs. His feet were off the ground. I turned around, and I slipped, and Freddy fell," Aska told police, according to a criminal complaint.
Freddy told police a more sinister story about his older neighbor as he was rushed to the hospital Friday night, Assistant Bronx District Attorney Dahlia Olsher-Tannen said in court yesterday.
Before his lost consciousness, Freddy told police Aska came down to his apartment and dragged him to the roof, sources said. "Cas dragged me to the roof and threw me off. I don't know why," she quoted the boy as telling cops.
Sources said one of Freddy's sneakers was found in the hallway and the other was on the roof, along with his broken eyeglasses.
"It was a sign of a struggle," one source said. "[Aska] gave various statements and they didn't add up."
Aska was charged on Sunday with attempted murder, reckless endangerment and several counts of assault. A judge denied him bail and set another court appearance for Thursday.
Olsher-Tannen said Freddy "may not survive."
He has a broken arm and leg and has had four blood transfusions to deal with internal bleeding, she explained.
"He had bones protruding from his skin as well and internal bleeding . . . Doctors cannot locate where the bleeding is coming from," the prosecutor told the judge.
At the arraignment, defense attorney Katherine Dyer called the case a "tragic accident."
"That will be clear as time goes on," she said.
Philip Rivera, 44, who also lives in the Nelson Avenue building, said that he didn't hear any commotion on Friday night.
"That would mean he would have been dragged right past my door, and any yelling or screaming I would have heard," Rivera said. "For me not to hear it? No. Everyone would have come out if they heard that."
Rivera said Aska, who Dyer said was still on probation for another offense, would often sit in the lobby and smoke cigarettes, "but he wasn't a bad kid - nothing violent like this."
Current society is referring to the society we have currently. Guilt and shame did not at one time both cause avoidance conditioning responses but recently it is shown they now do. Guilt used to produce a reparation response whereas shame has always been shown to produce avoidance.
Avoidance condition is the response of avoiding that which produces pain or emotions we wish not to have. It causes us to act against what we know would be the best response in order to prevent the discomfort. Some example would be refusing to go to the dentist, to have a test for cancer, to give another love because we had our heart broken.
Quoting Radarma:
What do you mean by "current society"? As opposed to what, when? What is this "avoidance condition" you speak of?
Quoting stormcris:
No it won't. Guilt and/or shame have a similar avoidance condition in current society. The need to cover up for self created wrongdoing is high rather than making reparations.
Quoting Radarma:
Quoting stormcris:
His feet were off the ground. I turned around. I slipped and Freddy fell. I did not call 911. I did not tell my mother. I did not check to see if Freddy was okay.”
Why would he? This is a common child tactic to not report things they know can get them in trouble. It continues for many into adulthood.
Yeah, if ya break momma's pretty vase....don't you think a neighborhood body on the ground might illicit a different response? As in, DO SOMETHING?????
I think if the kid who died had time to tell the EMT's he was thrown off...and the other kid said it was an accident didn't do it AND didn't go for help, the first boy is telling the truth. Probation? No way. Test him to see if he's lying, etc. see him by a psychologist or something. Don't let this kid walk, don't give him probation, or a lightened sentence. If he's guilty, throw his ass in jail and keep him there.
Woooww, if that doesn't speak volumes I don't know what does.
Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:
My sources tell me that he is on probation and had 17 priors.
Quoting FromAtoZ:He is already on probation? Did I miss that in the story?
The poor little boy.
Something is missing. Obviously.
Did I get the feeling the 17 year old purposely threw this child from the roof? Yes. Is that what actually happened? I do not know.
He is NOT A KID. I'm so tired of hearing women on here who are older that people who are 17 are children. What are you trying to get at? Are you trying to say that he's a kid, that he "didn't know better"? Seriously?! He is SEVENTEEN! SEVENTEEN!!!!!! I'm TWENTY ONE! Do you get what I'm tying to say?! If this kid at SEVENTEEN already has so many run ins, etc. Sure the system might have failed him but (going along the lines of he did push the kid off the ruff and tried killing him) there is no going back for this kid. Lock him the fuck up. Do I believe people need more help than what is given in this society now? Yes. Do people fall through the cracks? Yes. But you know what...When it gets this out of hand, lock them the fuck up. It is ridiculous to let this kid walk, and seal his records. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?! You know another thing? Because he's one year or however many months from 18, if he's tried before that birthday, than his sentence will probably be lighter. If this kid dies which I hope he doesn't it would be murder then. However, his sentence if tried and convicted, would still not be that much. Felons', like rapists, don't get that long either. My fucking rapist was looking at ELEVEN FUCKING YEARS. The system is broken. If you confess, or someone says you did it (such as this little boy fighting for his life), and the evidence is in the defendants favor, etc. and you're seventeen, try the kid as an adult. I'm so tired of people defending seventeen year olds as babies. Guess what?! They're not. Get over yourself wanting to nurture them and protect them when they have a criminal and fucked up mind. Don't let that kid declare insanity either....
Quoting LucyMom08:
Why wouldn't we want to find the reason why people commit crimes and want to help them? Should we just lock every single person away for life? Yes, there are some people who have given up completely, but that doesn't mean we should abandon everyone.
And like it or not, this person IS just a kid. A kid who may have done something terrible, but a kid nonetheless. And it seems as if he's a child who has been failed multiple times. Why would preventing that failure be a bad thing in your eyes?
Quoting LuvmyAiden:I'm not judge or jury so I didn't say I could determine it. Only that him being innocent is HIGHLY unlikely if his victim told them he did this. People are so quick to say, "Oh he is just a kid" or "He should have been better supervised". If his ass had been in juvie where he belonged with that many prior issues this would not have happened. My point was that the system is not doing it's job with juveniles and then people wonder why adults are doing horrible things. It's because they learned as kids that the system doesn't work, it protects the guilty and blames the innocent. It is one hell of a time to be a criminal and so many focusing on defending the accused instead of worrying about the injured is proof of that. We want to find a REASON why people do things and HELP them instead of facing the horrible truth that some people are just messed up and the only way to help is to keep them away from the rest of society.
Quoting LucyMom08:
Of course he was given the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.
Call me idealistic, but I don't think determining someone's guilt via internet article is the proper way to solve crimes...
Quoting LuvmyAiden:
This kid will likely get off. Or have his juvenile record sealed. THEN if he shoots someone as an adult it will be fault of the NRA. This child was thrown off a roof and TOLD the paramedics and yet his attacker is given the benefit of the doubt. THIS is why we have a crime problem in this country, because we do NOT punish the guilty in a way that fits thier crime.
I can see right through you.
Quoting Radarma:According to you, I guess because you are black, no one should ever post anything that has a black person as a person at fault for something not so charming. Noted. Don't care.
Always nice to see ya in my posts.
Oh say, here is one you may have missed, since you like to track what I post and speculate as to the why.
http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/17912757/Shining_a_light_on_a_star_a_woman_and_a_supreme_role_model
:)
Quoting AdellesMom:
Aww...you finally moved up?! Congrats!! ~
I'm not buying into your BS.
Quoting Radarma:
Quoting AdellesMom:
Where do you find these things and what's up with your obsession with black people?!? Like, seriously.
Are you mad because your skin isn't colored?! ;-)
As far as the story goes, it's sad. However, too many pieces of the story are obviously missing, and all three stories that have been told are plausible. The thing is, since the 17 year old has changed his story so many times, he's either lying or protecting someone. He's obviously hiding something. Whatever it is, we may never find out.
I'll never understand your obsession with black people. But, I must consider the source and move on.
Where? It's called the news. Oh and look, I am also "obsessed" with white people. LOL
http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/18008520/Because_it_is_a_woman_do_your_feelings_change
Quoting StarburstKisses:
He is NOT A KID. I'm so tired of hearing women on here who are older that people who are 17 are children. What are you trying to get at? Are you trying to say that he's a kid, that he "didn't know better"? Seriously?! He is SEVENTEEN! SEVENTEEN!!!!!! I'm TWENTY ONE! Do you get what I'm tying to say?! If this kid at SEVENTEEN already has so many run ins, etc. Sure the system might have failed him but (going along the lines of he did push the kid off the ruff and tried killing him) there is no going back for this kid. Lock him the fuck up. Do I believe people need more help than what is given in this society now? Yes. Do people fall through the cracks? Yes. But you know what...When it gets this out of hand, lock them the fuck up. It is ridiculous to let this kid walk, and seal his records. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?! You know another thing? Because he's one year or however many months from 18, if he's tried before that birthday, than his sentence will probably be lighter. If this kid dies which I hope he doesn't it would be murder then. However, his sentence if tried and convicted, would still not be that much. Felons', like rapists, don't get that long either. My fucking rapist was looking at ELEVEN FUCKING YEARS. The system is broken. If you confess, or someone says you did it (such as this little boy fighting for his life), and the evidence is in the defendants favor, etc. and you're seventeen, try the kid as an adult. I'm so tired of people defending seventeen year olds as babies. Guess what?! They're not. Get over yourself wanting to nurture them and protect them when they have a criminal and fucked up mind. Don't let that kid declare insanity either....
Quoting LucyMom08:
Why wouldn't we want to find the reason why people commit crimes and want to help them? Should we just lock every single person away for life? Yes, there are some people who have given up completely, but that doesn't mean we should abandon everyone.
And like it or not, this person IS just a kid. A kid who may have done something terrible, but a kid nonetheless. And it seems as if he's a child who has been failed multiple times. Why would preventing that failure be a bad thing in your eyes?
Quoting LuvmyAiden:I'm not judge or jury so I didn't say I could determine it. Only that him being innocent is HIGHLY unlikely if his victim told them he did this. People are so quick to say, "Oh he is just a kid" or "He should have been better supervised". If his ass had been in juvie where he belonged with that many prior issues this would not have happened. My point was that the system is not doing it's job with juveniles and then people wonder why adults are doing horrible things. It's because they learned as kids that the system doesn't work, it protects the guilty and blames the innocent. It is one hell of a time to be a criminal and so many focusing on defending the accused instead of worrying about the injured is proof of that. We want to find a REASON why people do things and HELP them instead of facing the horrible truth that some people are just messed up and the only way to help is to keep them away from the rest of society.
Quoting LucyMom08:
Of course he was given the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.
Call me idealistic, but I don't think determining someone's guilt via internet article is the proper way to solve crimes...
Quoting LuvmyAiden:
This kid will likely get off. Or have his juvenile record sealed. THEN if he shoots someone as an adult it will be fault of the NRA. This child was thrown off a roof and TOLD the paramedics and yet his attacker is given the benefit of the doubt. THIS is why we have a crime problem in this country, because we do NOT punish the guilty in a way that fits thier crime.
"recently it is shown"
Source please.
Quoting stormcris:
Current society is referring to the society we have currently. Guilt and shame did not at one time both cause avoidance conditioning responses but recently it is shown they now do. Guilt used to produce a reparation response whereas shame has always been shown to produce avoidance.
Avoidance condition is the response of avoiding that which produces pain or emotions we wish not to have. It causes us to act against what we know would be the best response in order to prevent the discomfort. Some example would be refusing to go to the dentist, to have a test for cancer, to give another love because we had our heart broken.
Quoting Radarma:
What do you mean by "current society"? As opposed to what, when? What is this "avoidance condition" you speak of?
Quoting stormcris:
No it won't. Guilt and/or shame have a similar avoidance condition in current society. The need to cover up for self created wrongdoing is high rather than making reparations.
Quoting Radarma:
Quoting stormcris:
His feet were off the ground. I turned around. I slipped and Freddy fell. I did not call 911. I did not tell my mother. I did not check to see if Freddy was okay.”
Why would he? This is a common child tactic to not report things they know can get them in trouble. It continues for many into adulthood.
Yeah, if ya break momma's pretty vase....don't you think a neighborhood body on the ground might illicit a different response? As in, DO SOMETHING?????
This is the "how old is 15 really?" thing from Dave Chappelle. :)
Quoting AdellesMom:
Actually, he IS a child, legally speaking. Also, if a minor can't be held responsible for consensually sleeping with an adult, why are they held responsible for crimes?
Quoting StarburstKisses:
He is NOT A KID. I'm so tired of hearing women on here who are older that people who are 17 are children. What are you trying to get at? Are you trying to say that he's a kid, that he "didn't know better"? Seriously?! He is SEVENTEEN! SEVENTEEN!!!!!! I'm TWENTY ONE! Do you get what I'm tying to say?! If this kid at SEVENTEEN already has so many run ins, etc. Sure the system might have failed him but (going along the lines of he did push the kid off the ruff and tried killing him) there is no going back for this kid. Lock him the fuck up. Do I believe people need more help than what is given in this society now? Yes. Do people fall through the cracks? Yes. But you know what...When it gets this out of hand, lock them the fuck up. It is ridiculous to let this kid walk, and seal his records. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?! You know another thing? Because he's one year or however many months from 18, if he's tried before that birthday, than his sentence will probably be lighter. If this kid dies which I hope he doesn't it would be murder then. However, his sentence if tried and convicted, would still not be that much. Felons', like rapists, don't get that long either. My fucking rapist was looking at ELEVEN FUCKING YEARS. The system is broken. If you confess, or someone says you did it (such as this little boy fighting for his life), and the evidence is in the defendants favor, etc. and you're seventeen, try the kid as an adult. I'm so tired of people defending seventeen year olds as babies. Guess what?! They're not. Get over yourself wanting to nurture them and protect them when they have a criminal and fucked up mind. Don't let that kid declare insanity either....
Quoting LucyMom08:
Why wouldn't we want to find the reason why people commit crimes and want to help them? Should we just lock every single person away for life? Yes, there are some people who have given up completely, but that doesn't mean we should abandon everyone.
And like it or not, this person IS just a kid. A kid who may have done something terrible, but a kid nonetheless. And it seems as if he's a child who has been failed multiple times. Why would preventing that failure be a bad thing in your eyes?
Quoting LuvmyAiden:I'm not judge or jury so I didn't say I could determine it. Only that him being innocent is HIGHLY unlikely if his victim told them he did this. People are so quick to say, "Oh he is just a kid" or "He should have been better supervised". If his ass had been in juvie where he belonged with that many prior issues this would not have happened. My point was that the system is not doing it's job with juveniles and then people wonder why adults are doing horrible things. It's because they learned as kids that the system doesn't work, it protects the guilty and blames the innocent. It is one hell of a time to be a criminal and so many focusing on defending the accused instead of worrying about the injured is proof of that. We want to find a REASON why people do things and HELP them instead of facing the horrible truth that some people are just messed up and the only way to help is to keep them away from the rest of society.
Quoting LucyMom08:
Of course he was given the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.
Call me idealistic, but I don't think determining someone's guilt via internet article is the proper way to solve crimes...
Quoting LuvmyAiden:
This kid will likely get off. Or have his juvenile record sealed. THEN if he shoots someone as an adult it will be fault of the NRA. This child was thrown off a roof and TOLD the paramedics and yet his attacker is given the benefit of the doubt. THIS is why we have a crime problem in this country, because we do NOT punish the guilty in a way that fits thier crime.
Ugh, this is horrifying. How awful, 5 stories...I can't imagine. That poor kid.
http://schmader.psych.ubc.ca/publications/GPIR%20Vicarious%20Shame%20and%20Guilt.pdf
Quoting Radarma:"recently it is shown"
Source please.
Quoting stormcris:
Current society is referring to the society we have currently. Guilt and shame did not at one time both cause avoidance conditioning responses but recently it is shown they now do. Guilt used to produce a reparation response whereas shame has always been shown to produce avoidance.
Avoidance condition is the response of avoiding that which produces pain or emotions we wish not to have. It causes us to act against what we know would be the best response in order to prevent the discomfort. Some example would be refusing to go to the dentist, to have a test for cancer, to give another love because we had our heart broken.
Quoting Radarma:
What do you mean by "current society"? As opposed to what, when? What is this "avoidance condition" you speak of?
Quoting stormcris:
No it won't. Guilt and/or shame have a similar avoidance condition in current society. The need to cover up for self created wrongdoing is high rather than making reparations.
Quoting Radarma:
Quoting stormcris:
His feet were off the ground. I turned around. I slipped and Freddy fell. I did not call 911. I did not tell my mother. I did not check to see if Freddy was okay.”
Why would he? This is a common child tactic to not report things they know can get them in trouble. It continues for many into adulthood.
Yeah, if ya break momma's pretty vase....don't you think a neighborhood body on the ground might illicit a different response? As in, DO SOMETHING?????
Holder to investigate....Holder
- Radarma
on Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:44 PM