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Why can churches and private schools discriminate, but not other places of business?

Posted by on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:08 PM
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I know there's probably a simple reason and I know I'm probably over thinking it when, really, it must be simple.

Is it because most churches and parochial schools are non-profit?

I can name several schools, off the top of my head, in my semi-small town, that require parents sign a statement of faith before enrolling their children; many churches will not perform the sacraments (marriage, baptism, first communion, etc) unless the person is of that faith. Read: they retain the right to refuse a "service" if you do not share their faith.

Are places of worship exempt from discrimination laws on some level?


ETA: I fully support all private places (of worship and of business) discriminating against whomever they choose to discriminate against.

I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














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mehamil1
by Platinum Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I don't know how extensive this kind of policy is. I know my Catholic school took in kids who were not Catholic. The school was a really good school and parents of all kinds of faiths wanted their kids in it. I once dated an Indian Muslim who said he went to a Catholic school in India only because that particular school was the best in his area. 

I'm not sure how I feel about this. 

ambermario4ever
by Bronze Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:29 PM
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Any business has they right to refuse service to any one they choose.

SRUsarahSC
by Bronze Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:32 PM

because they accept no federal funding. Private schools (such as a Catholic school) receive no tax dollars and are parochial schools.  That being said, I have never heard of a Catholic school turning away children for any reason. At the one I went to, we had many children who were not Catholic but their parents preferred our smaller class sizes and higher test scores compared to the public school. We also had a child who had two moms and that was fine as well.

AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:34 PM


I should have been more specific. Catholic schools do NOT turn children away; the schools I am speaking of specifically, in my area, are protestant private schools; they will turn away if you will not sign their statement of faith.

On that note, Catholics do (and have) fired employees who do things against church doctrine.

Private businesses accept no state funding - so why aren't they given the same ability to choose not to serve anyone they want, regardless of reason (religion, race, sexual orientation, etc)?

Quoting SRUsarahSC:

because they accept no federal funding. Private schools (such as a Catholic school) receive no tax dollars and are parochial schools.  That being said, I have never heard of a Catholic school turning away children for any reason. At the one I went to, we had many children who were not Catholic but their parents preferred our smaller class sizes and higher test scores compared to the public school. We also had a child who had two moms and that was fine as well.



I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM

 If they have any sort of federal funding by law they must have a 30% non catholic or non religious kids.  All of our kids have attended Catholic schools....none are catholic

SRUsarahSC
by Bronze Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:44 PM


I know of a private, non federally college in PA that kicked a student out for being gay (got caught because he is an amatuear porn star, actually) and that was legal due to no federal funding. I don't know why private businesses aren't permitted to refuse service---I feel if it's a business that accepts no federal/state funding they should have that right. I would think that if a business was refusing service to a set group (we'll use the baker refusing to make a cake for the gay wedding from yesterday) such as gays, that the rest of the patrons would be outraged and refuse to patronize the business...thus, we have a free market and the the people can decide.

Quoting AutymsMommy:


I should have been more specific. Catholic schools do NOT turn children away; the schools I am speaking of specifically, in my area, are protestant private schools; they will turn away if you will not sign their statement of faith.

On that note, Catholics do (and have) fired employees who do things against church doctrine.

Private businesses accept no state funding - so why aren't they given the same ability to choose not to serve anyone they want, regardless of reason (religion, race, sexual orientation, etc)?

Quoting SRUsarahSC:

because they accept no federal funding. Private schools (such as a Catholic school) receive no tax dollars and are parochial schools.  That being said, I have never heard of a Catholic school turning away children for any reason. At the one I went to, we had many children who were not Catholic but their parents preferred our smaller class sizes and higher test scores compared to the public school. We also had a child who had two moms and that was fine as well.





Chelsey191
by Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Why would you want to send your kid to a catholic school if you don't share those beliefs? It amazes me the dumb reasons people stick their kids in schools... Ds has applied to a school for gifted kids. He is gifted, I went to the parent orientation night and there were parents there who wanted their kids to go because its close to home or because the class sizes are smaller or its a k-12 school etc. Umm dumbo gifted kids learn different then other kids why would you put your kid in a schoolk where they will most likely not be able to keep up at? Its the same thing ds wanted to go to the french school, umm we don't speak french he would be lost and I would not want my kid in a school teaching him religon I don't believe in.
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AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM
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I have no clue how to make sense of this.

You missed my point. There were many non-Catholic children in my dd's Catholic school. They received a wonderful education and the school was far more tolerant of their beliefs than our local public schools, but that's neither here nor there. It wasn't the question.

I asked: Why do churches and schools have the ability to deny their "services" to anyone they choose, but private businesses do not retain the same right?


Quoting Chelsey191:

Why would you want to send your kid to a catholic school if you don't share those beliefs? It amazes me the dumb reasons people stick their kids in schools... Ds has applied to a school for gifted kids. He is gifted, I went to the parent orientation night and there were parents there who wanted their kids to go because its close to home or because the class sizes are smaller or its a k-12 school etc. Umm dumbo gifted kids learn different then other kids why would you put your kid in a schoolk where they will most likely not be able to keep up at? Its the same thing ds wanted to go to the french school, umm we don't speak french he would be lost and I would not want my kid in a school teaching him religon I don't believe in.



I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














EireLass
by Ruby Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:32 PM

BUMP!

turtle68
by Mahinaarangi on Feb. 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM

 

Quoting Chelsey191:

Why would you want to send your kid to a catholic school if you don't share those beliefs? It amazes me the dumb reasons people stick their kids in schools... Ds has applied to a school for gifted kids. He is gifted, I went to the parent orientation night and there were parents there who wanted their kids to go because its close to home or because the class sizes are smaller or its a k-12 school etc. Umm dumbo gifted kids learn different then other kids why would you put your kid in a schoolk where they will most likely not be able to keep up at? Its the same thing ds wanted to go to the french school, umm we don't speak french he would be lost and I would not want my kid in a school teaching him religon I don't believe in.

 I put my kids in Cathoic schools because they have smaller class sizes and better disciplining regulations.  I am also not opposed to them learning about religion.

Why a gifted school even contemplates parents with "un" gifted kids is beyond me.  My niece went to a school for the gifted....you have to be invited.  You dont apply.

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