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Seven States Tell ‘Responsible’ Gun Owners To Put Their Money Where Their Mouth Is With Gun Insurance

Posted by on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM
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Gun owners, above most everything besides the Second Amendment argument, posit that the problems with gun violence are not due to “responsible” gun owners…it is always them, the other guy – criminals, the mentally unstable, well…you know, THEM. The foundation of their argument is that they, the beleaguered, hounded, falsely blamed, honest, hardworking gun owners, are completely upright and responsible…they are just not the problem. EVER.

Seven states – California, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Colorado – have, in the past month, introduced bills to have gun owners put their money where their mouth is: liability insurance for their firearms, codifying that responsibility if their firearms are used incorrectly – used by children who find them, by criminals who easily steal them; by people to whom they sell them without requiring a background check.


In California, Assembly Bill AB231 was introduced by assemblymen from San Francisco and Los Angeles. Assemblyman Phillip Ting equated the idea to requiring vehicle owners to buy auto insurance. LA Assemblyman Jimmy Gomez said it would encourage gun owners to take firearms safety classes and keep their guns locked up to get lower insurance rates.

Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, questioned whether it is constitutional to require someone to buy insurance to exercise a constitutional right.

Robert Frank, professor of economics at Cornell University, counters:

“Nothing in the constitution grants people the right to expose others to serious risk without compensation.”

In New York, the focus is again on codifying responsibility rather than continuing to have the “Scout’s Honor” approach that gun owners now enjoy. In other words, make the gun owner responsible for any damage caused by their guns. While it may discourage some people from buying guns, more broadly it would compel people to practice the responsibility that the gun community says they already practice, though the 233,000 guns stolen per year and the number of kids killed by mommy and daddy’s guns that are lying around contradict that assertion. Scout’s Honor.

In Massachusetts, HD 2678, a bill was introduced by Democrat Rep. David Linsky on January 18th. An analysis by Best’s Insurance News says it would provide those injured, or the survivors of those killed through negligence, legal recourse and:

“…perhaps, allow insurers selling policies to charge rates using a risk-based system as a means of improving firearm safety.”

Linsky said:

The bill “might result in insurers pricing gun liability insurance according to risk, including factors such as how many guns are owned in the home, how those weapons are stored, and whether they are kept in a locked area.”

Again the goal is making the gun owner fully responsible for his firearms, making sure they are always properly locked away.

In Colorado, home state of the Columbine High School shooting and the Aurora Theater massacre, new legislation requires that owners of semi-automatic rifles be subject to strict liability for civil damages caused by their weapons, and state statutes that shield manufacturers, importers and dealers from such liability would be lifted. It further says that handguns, bolt-action rifles and shotguns would be exempt from the measure. The issue of liability is only one of many measures introduced into the Colorado legislature Tuesday.

The actions of these states set in motion several conflicts; while most gun enthusiasts are loath to see Washington D.C. dictate any measures that affects their guns, a large majority of them are also strong proponents of enforcing the Tenth Amendment, supporting a state’s right to control its own laws that are not defined federal powers.

All the states that have, to date, filed legislation regarding liability insurance on firearms are blue states. They represent 30% of the population of the nation.

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talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM

What constitutes easily stealing them?

brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?



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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

yourspecialkid
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM
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1.  This will never get past SCOTUS.

2.  Homeowners/renters insurance already covers these types of accidents.

3.  You will not be able to get an insurance company to underwrite policies for criminal activity.

4.  How about they worry about the laws on the books first.   In California there are more than 40,000 guns knowlingly held illegally....the state lacks the funds to get them off the streets.

 

 

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM
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That doesn't answer the question.

What means easily stolen?


Locked up and the steal the safe and break the lock somewhere?

Tie you and your family up and say if you don't give us the combo, we will kill your family in front of you?



Quoting brookiecookie87:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?





AdrianneHill
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:33 AM
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Yeah right. I'm sure the gun lovers will find this law unconstitutional because it doesn't really mention keeping the king of England out of the house.
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brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM


There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

That doesn't answer the question.

What means easily stolen?


Locked up and the steal the safe and break the lock somewhere?

Tie you and your family up and say if you don't give us the combo, we will kill your family in front of you?



Quoting brookiecookie87:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?







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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM
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Oh, so you can't answer the question?  




Quoting brookiecookie87:


There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

That doesn't answer the question.

What means easily stolen?


Locked up and the steal the safe and break the lock somewhere?

Tie you and your family up and say if you don't give us the combo, we will kill your family in front of you?



Quoting brookiecookie87:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?









brookiecookie87
by Platinum Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM
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I did answer your question. You just don't like the answer I gave you. There is a HUGE difference.

There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

Oh, so you can't answer the question?  




Quoting brookiecookie87:


There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

That doesn't answer the question.

What means easily stolen?


Locked up and the steal the safe and break the lock somewhere?

Tie you and your family up and say if you don't give us the combo, we will kill your family in front of you?



Quoting brookiecookie87:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?











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If they enforced bank regulations like they do park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess

viv212
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM
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I know the two don't really relate but I like how the people who don't like these laws are stereotypically the people who want to make it a law that you have to have an ID to vote. Excuses not to be responsible. They compared guns to cars in regards to killing people, so let's regulate this like cars. I think Roma broke that down before in another post.
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talia-mom
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM
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No, you didn't answer the question.  Your link doesn't work.

Can you provide specifics on what constitutes easily stolen in a court of law?

I doubt it.

Quoting brookiecookie87:

I did answer your question. You just don't like the answer I gave you. There is a HUGE difference.

There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

Oh, so you can't answer the question?  




Quoting brookiecookie87:


There point is that there is a LOT of guns stolen. 233,000 a year.

If 233,000 guns are stolen a year it must not be very hard to do it. That is not a small number of guns. Especially if it means that they are owned by criminals.

Quoting talia-mom:

That doesn't answer the question.

What means easily stolen?


Locked up and the steal the safe and break the lock somewhere?

Tie you and your family up and say if you don't give us the combo, we will kill your family in front of you?



Quoting brookiecookie87:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

Is the link they provide where it estimates about 233,000 guns are "stolen" every year.

Quoting talia-mom:

What constitutes easily stealing them?













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